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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/2/2010 9:48:38 PM   
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Hey PZB, glad to see you still going on... keep the good work, and pls dont force terminus dibidus and co to make UAE - ultimate allied adition, since you are going great job

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/3/2010 7:47:04 AM   
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Hey PZB, glad to see you still going on... keep the good work, and pls dont force terminus dibidus and co to make UAE - ultimate allied adition, since you are going great job



lol Pauk... it´s not that biased as you would think it is

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/3/2010 9:19:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

I think an increased focus on carriers would also have been reflected in an increased naval pilot training pilot as well, not?



they couldn´t even equip their existing carriers with pilots and aircraft, what would you make sure they would with an additional four CVs?


All the existing CVs had enough planes and spares as well as some spare squadrons ..

They couldnt have many planes because all the money went on accelerating building the 4 Yamatos :-) ... Remember Hull 111 was also 30% built whne the war started and Shinano more than that.

The problem was they ( just like the US) has no reserves as both expected a short and sharp decisive battle.



that´s just not true, the Japanese CVs went into action more than once without having their full complement of aircraft, let alone pilots.


Not in 41-42 unless they took losses and were unable to come back for replacements just like the allies . In 44 it was more common but we are talking about the start of the war..



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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/3/2010 9:53:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

I think an increased focus on carriers would also have been reflected in an increased naval pilot training pilot as well, not?



they couldn´t even equip their existing carriers with pilots and aircraft, what would you make sure they would with an additional four CVs?


All the existing CVs had enough planes and spares as well as some spare squadrons ..

They couldnt have many planes because all the money went on accelerating building the 4 Yamatos :-) ... Remember Hull 111 was also 30% built whne the war started and Shinano more than that.

The problem was they ( just like the US) has no reserves as both expected a short and sharp decisive battle.



that´s just not true, the Japanese CVs went into action more than once without having their full complement of aircraft, let alone pilots.


Not in 41-42 unless they took losses and were unable to come back for replacements just like the allies . In 44 it was more common but we are talking about the start of the war..





I´m not talking about 41 and I can´t figure out why you are, because how should they have built four more fleet carriers until 41?

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/3/2010 6:19:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Pauk, good to see you! The glorious Imperial Fanboy Faction still has the Chairman seat waiting for you you know

After the KB's strike against PH in 12/41 and the cruises and operations against Northern Oz and Ceylon the carriers lacked replacements
and therefore fought at Midway with only 3/4 of their full ac capacity. I don't see any problems replacing the Yamato series with 4 Shokaku and or Hiryu type carriers.
- This would have required an increase in pilot training but of course it could have been achieved but it would have been difficult to get high command backing for this.

More major troop movements in Burma and south of Rockhampton.
- Major offensive are clearly being prepared.

AFTER ACTION REPOR

Sub Attacks

We score 3 hits against unescorted troopships and a tanker between Bombay and Ceylon today.
Hey, Thorshavn is a norwegian vessel; sending her out without an escort....

Submarine attack near Trivandrum at 27,44

Japanese Ships
SS I-123

Allied Ships
TK Thorshavn, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

TK Thorshavn is sighted by SS I-123
SS I-123 launches 4 torpedoes at TK Thorshavn
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Submarine attack near Bombay at 35,23

Japanese Ships
SS I-158

Allied Ships
xAP Hong Peng, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

xAP Hong Peng is sighted by SS I-158
SS I-158 launches 8 torpedoes at xAP Hong Peng
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Submarine attack near Bombay at 35,23

Japanese Ships
SS I-158

Allied Ships
xAP Van Riebeek, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

xAP Van Riebeek is sighted by SS I-158
SS I-158 launches 8 torpedoes at xAP Van Riebeek
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Air Combat


Again major sweeps and air attacks against Rockhampton and Emerald.
- They were all unopposed so I'm only showing the biggest attack by the 4E's!

Over China our bombers encounter some Vanguard fighters but they are too few to make any impact.

Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 9
B-17D Fortress x 3
B-17E Fortress x 38
B-17F Fortress x 8
LB-30 Liberator x 7
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 1

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 68

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x LB-30 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
1 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Chinese/C Corps, at 82,49
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 20

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
3rd FG/32nd FS CAF with P-66 Vanguard (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/3/2010 8:31:07 PM   
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Night Air Attacks

I order night air disruption attacks against Allied airfields in Zone 3.
2 Hurries are destroyed, not a lot but a nuisance.

Night Air attack on Bundaberg , at 96,155
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 15
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
20 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 16000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
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Night Air attack on Charleville , at 88,154
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 46

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
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Sub - ASW Attacks

Our submarines face really heavy ASW attacks today; fortune stood us by - no serious damage!

ASW attack near Lanai at 181,110

Japanese Ships
SS RO-60, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Farragut
DD Wilson

SS RO-60 is sighted by escort
DD Farragut attacking submerged sub ....
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Farragut fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Wilson attacking submerged sub ....
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Goa at 30,31

Japanese Ships
SS I-158

Allied Ships
DD Nizam
DD Nestor

SS I-158 is sighted by escort
DD Nizam fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Nestor fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nestor fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nestor fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nestor fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nestor fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Nestor fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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ASW attack near Goa at 30,31
Japanese Ships
SS I-158

Allied Ships
DD Vampire
DD Tenedos
DD Tjerk Hiddes

SS I-158 is sighted by escort
DD Tenedos fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tjerk Hiddes fails to find sub and abandons search
Escort abandons search for sub
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Instead the I-23, just recently arrived in its assigned patrol zone, puts 2 torps into the escort carrier Copahee!
This is great news, our ownly potent offensive weapons score an important strike. Another 20 subs will now take up their
patrol areas in the Central Pacific.

The I-23 is again straddled with DC's but no serious damage suffered.

Sub attack near Pearl Harbor at 184,100
Japanese Ships
SS I-23, hits 1

Allied Ships
CVE Copahee, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Buchanan
DD Aaron Ward
SC-638
AP President Jackson
AP Barnett
DD Pakenham
DD Gansevoort
DD Bancroft

SS I-23 launches 6 torpedoes at CVE Copahee
I-23 diving deep ....
DD Pakenham attacking submerged sub ....
DD Gansevoort fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Bancroft fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Pakenham fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Pakenham fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Pakenham attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-23 eludes DD Pakenham by diving deep
SS I-23 eludes DD Pakenham by diving deep
DD Pakenham attacking submerged sub ....
DD Pakenham cannot establish contact with SS I-23
DD Pakenham cannot reach attack position over SS I-23
SS I-23 eludes DD Pakenham by diving deep
DD Pakenham fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Pakenham fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Instead it is our hardly capable (that's to be nice) ASW units that score against the old S-43.
2 direct DC hits sends her reeling!

ASW attack near Roi-Namur at 132,113

Japanese Ships
PB Nichi Maru #1

Allied Ships
SS S-43, hits 3, heavy damage

SS S-43 is sighted by escort
PB Nichi Maru #1 attacking submerged sub ....
PB Nichi Maru #1 is out of ASW ammo
PB Nichi Maru #1 is out of ASW ammo
PB Nichi Maru #1 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Nichi Maru #1 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Nichi Maru #1 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Nichi Maru #1 attacking submerged sub ....
PB Nichi Maru #1 is out of ASW ammo
PB Nichi Maru #1 is out of ASW ammo
PB Nichi Maru #1 is out of ASW ammo
PB Nichi Maru #1 is out of ASW ammo
PB Nichi Maru #1 is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

More Allied air attacks in Zone 3, but no serious damage.
Several ground unit stacks have dissappeared from sight though, that's a bit worrying.

In China we punish Chinese units retreating from the siege.

Morning Air attack on 68th Chinese Corps, at 82,49
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
Ki-27b Nate x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
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First Escort Carrier Down!

The Cophaee hadn't even arrived at Pearl before getting sunk...

USS Copahee (CVE-12)
Career
Laid down: 18 June 1941
Launched: 21 October 1941
Commissioned: 15 June 1942
Decommissioned: 5 July 1946
Struck: 1 March 1959
Fate: Scrapped in 1961
General characteristics
Class and type: Bogue-class escort carrier
Displacement: 7,800 tons
Length: 495.7 ft (151.1 m)
Beam: 111.5 ft (34.0 m)
Draft: 26 ft (7.9 m)
Propulsion: 2 boilers (285 psi); 1 steam turbine; 1 shaft; 8,500 shp (6.3 MW)
Speed: 16.5 knots (30.6 km/h)
Complement: 890 officers and men
Armament: 2 × 4 in (102 mm), 8 twin x 40 mm, 27 × 20 mm guns
Aircraft carried: 24

The USS Copahee (CVE-12) was a Bogue-class escort carrier that served in the United States Navy during World War II. Originally classified AVG-12, was changed to ACV-12, 20 August 1942; CVE-12, 15 July 1943; and CVHE-12, 12 June 1955.

She was laid down on 18 June 1941, as Steel Architect, under Maritime Commission contract (hull 169) in Tacoma, Washington by Todd Pacific Shipyards, launched 21 October 1941; sponsored by Mrs. W. M. Wells; acquired by the United States Navy on 8 February 1942; and commissioned 15 June 1942, Commander J. G. Farrell in command.
[edit] Service history

Sailing from Alameda 5 September 1942, Copahee arrived at Nouméa 28 September with her cargo of planes, stores and passengers. From 7 October to 11 October, she cruised toward Guadalcanal to launch 20 marine fighter planes for Henderson Field, then returned to San Diego, California 29 October for overhaul.




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/3/2010 8:51:32 PM   
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/3/2010 11:57:13 PM   
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Been looking into the Asian Fleet; possible I need to transfer parts of it to the Central Pacific.

At Soerabaja there is the 8th Fleet:
1 CA, 2 CL and 4 DD's.
- This is a rapid reaction force for Northern Oz.

In Singapore we got the SRA Fleet:
4 BBs, 1 CA, 4 CL and 29 DD's.
- Half of the destroyers are second rate.

There's also a submarine command based at Singapore of about 12 boats.

I've been saving political points; got some 1200. When we got 1800 I will release a Xmas gift for the Burma Theater:
the crack 14th Division from Manchukuo. A full sized 80 exp division!

Most of the new construction and Garrison units have now been re-slated for the SRA.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 15, 42

Night Air Attacks

A couple more night dupers...

Night Air attack on Bundaberg , at 96,155
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 20

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
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Night Air attack on Bundaberg , at 96,155
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 27

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane XIIb: 1 destroyed on ground
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 16000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
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Sub Attacks

Well, if 2 torps didn't do it another 2 certainly did!

Sub attack near Pearl Harbor at 184,100

Japanese Ships
SS I-23

Allied Ships
CVE Copahee, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pakenham

SS I-23 launches 6 torpedoes at CVE Copahee
DD Pakenham fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Heavy Allied air attacks on Rockhampton again.
- We bomb Changsa industry and manage a big nice multi coordinated strike.

Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 10
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 33
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 19
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
I-16-III x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16-III: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet
19 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 15000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
11th FG/42nd FS CAF with I-16-III (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 15
Ki-27b Nate x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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There are actually a few Chink fighters left, even a few AVG ones.
- They all opposed our attack on the retiring ground troops today and shot down a Nate and a Sally but couldn't
prevent us from bombing the grunts.

Afternoon Air attack on 67th Chinese Corps, at 82,49
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 20
Ki-27b Nate x 10

Allied aircraft
I-16-III x 1
I-15-III x 2
H81-A3 x 3
P-43A-1 Lancer x 3
P-66 Vanguard x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disable

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
11th FG/42nd FS CAF with I-16-III (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
3rd FG/32nd FS CAF with P-66 Vanguard (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
11th FG/41st FS CAF with H81-A3 (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
11th FG/43rd FS CAF with I-15-III (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
11th FG/44th FS CAF with P-43A-1 Lancer (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Ground Combat

A huge Chink corps marches into Lashio and repels our recon unit there.
Probably part of Andy's Burma plan. I won't defend in force that far from the main
force, will only become cut of.

Ground combat at Lashio (62,46)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 13791 troops, 102 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 672
Defending force 1025 troops, 4 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 37

Allied adjusted assault: 1300
Japanese adjusted defense: 28

Allied assault odds: 46 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Lashio !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
311 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (19 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
66th Chinese Corps

Defending units:
56th Recon Regiment
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Coupe de Grace

Isn't this the best way to dispose of 61 crack carrier ac!




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 12:42:58 AM   
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 12:53:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: castor troy

that´s just not true, the Japanese CVs went into action more than once without having their full complement of aircraft, let alone pilots.


Not in 41-42 unless they took losses and were unable to come back for replacements just like the allies . In 44 it was more common but we are talking about the start of the war..


At Midway KB carriers did not have 100% of their aircraft.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 1:32:58 AM   
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Posted a comment about that in my last post witpqs:
"After the KB's strike against PH in 12/41 and the cruises and operations against Northern Oz and Ceylon the carriers lacked replacements
and therefore fought at Midway with only 3/4 of their full ac capacity. I don't see any problems replacing the Yamato series with 4 Shokaku and or Hiryu type carriers.
- This would have required an increase in pilot training but of course it could have been achieved but it would have been difficult to get high command backing for this"

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 5:36:47 AM   
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I think an increased focus on carriers would also have been reflected in an increased naval pilot training pilot as well, not?



they couldn´t even equip their existing carriers with pilots and aircraft, what would you make sure they would with an additional four CVs?


All the existing CVs had enough planes and spares as well as some spare squadrons ..

They couldnt have many planes because all the money went on accelerating building the 4 Yamatos :-) ... Remember Hull 111 was also 30% built whne the war started and Shinano more than that.

The problem was they ( just like the US) has no reserves as both expected a short and sharp decisive battle.



that´s just not true, the Japanese CVs went into action more than once without having their full complement of aircraft, let alone pilots.


Not in 41-42 unless they took losses and were unable to come back for replacements just like the allies . In 44 it was more common but we are talking about the start of the war..





I´m not talking about 41 and I can´t figure out why you are, because how should they have built four more fleet carriers until 41?


Pls read the whole thread ( which you have cut) .. ie instead of the Yamatos which started in 37...focus on CVs .. So increasing the fleet air arm in this relation is before and durring the early war.


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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 5:55:11 AM   
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that´s just not true, the Japanese CVs went into action more than once without having their full complement of aircraft, let alone pilots.


Not in 41-42 unless they took losses and were unable to come back for replacements just like the allies . In 44 it was more common but we are talking about the start of the war..


At Midway KB carriers did not have 100% of their aircraft.


The CVL ? Compared to 41 Hiryu caried 9 more operational planes , Kaga 2 more , Soryu 9 more , Akagi 3 less. Hiryu and Soryu caried 12 strike planes more , the larger cariers less ( which makes sense as they can control CAP better and this isnt a surprise strike) . So not a great difference and that is after Coral Sea attrition.

[Edit] Thouh the larger cariers were missing a lot of their replacements - this is not a big issue as the replacements served their purpose after attrition in the first 7 months.

I do note both the allies and Japanese expected short sharp engadgements not high aircraft attrition over multiple engagements. And we all know the issues with the Kate factory being shut down ..since the Jill was comming soon...


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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 2:40:33 PM   
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 3:16:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like an army is moving on Rockhampton!
- Andy probably wants his payback on land, wasn't to happy about his first new CVE and the 60 ac and pilot that
went down the drain. Also said that the tanker had 4 destroyer escorts...and we newer even saw them

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 16, 42

ASW Attacks

Lots of huuge convoys in the Central Pacific these days.
A KB raid is tempting...

ASW attack near San Francisco at 216,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-6

Allied Ships
APD Fox
DMS Dorsey
DMS Hopkins
DMS Hovey
AG Regulus
AG Vega
AO Kaskaskia
AO Ramapo
AO Neches
AK Almaack
AK Fomalhaut
xAP Santa Paula
xAP President Taylor
xAP President Tyler
xAP Republic
xAP St. Mihel
xAK Sea Fox
xAK West Camargo
xAK Forbes Hauptmann
xAK Admiral Laws
xAK San Simeon
xAK Mormacsul
xAK Waimea
xAK Maliko
xAK Lihue
xAK Julia Luckenbach
xAK Dorothy Luckenbach
xAK Anniston City
xAK Sagadahoc
xAK Utahan
xAK Hawaiian
xAK Canadian
xAKL Kailua
DD Clark
DD Hammann
DD Frazier

SS I-6 launches 4 torpedoes at APD Fox
DD Clark attacking submerged sub ....
DD Clark cannot establish contact with SS I-6
DD Clark cannot establish contact with SS I-6
DD Clark cannot reach attack position over SS I-6
DD Hammann fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Frazier fails to find sub and abandons search
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Andy didn't like me bombing his industries and suddenly there is a Chink AF!
- Lots of dogfights today but not a lot of casualties. Both sides have low firepower and
failing guns and engines cut most engagements short.

I'e upgraded 2 squadrons from Nates to Tojo's - that should help.

Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 30
Ki-27b Nate x 10
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 1
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 5

Allied aircraft
I-16-III x 3
I-15-III x 5
H81-A3 x 4
P-43A-1 Lancer x 11
P-66 Vanguard x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 15000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
5th FG/29th FS CAF with P-43A-1 Lancer (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
3rd FG/32nd FS CAF with P-66 Vanguard (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
11th FG/41st FS CAF with H81-A3 (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
11th FG/42nd FS CAF with I-16-III (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
11th FG/43rd FS CAF with I-15-III (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
11th FG/44th FS CAF with P-43A-1 Lancer (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 20
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 10
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 16

Allied aircraft
I-16-III x 3
I-15-III x 5
H81-A3 x 4
P-43A-1 Lancer x 11
P-66 Vanguard x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 7 damaged
Ki-43-Ia Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-43A-1 Lancer: 1 destroyed

Heavy Industry hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
16 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 15000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
5th FG/29th FS CAF with P-43A-1 Lancer (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
3rd FG/32nd FS CAF with P-66 Vanguard (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
6 planes vectored on to bombers
11th FG/41st FS CAF with H81-A3 (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
11th FG/42nd FS CAF with I-16-III (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
11th FG/43rd FS CAF with I-15-III (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
11th FG/44th FS CAF with P-43A-1 Lancer (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
2 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on 26th Group Army, at 82,49
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 21

Allied aircraft
P-43A-1 Lancer x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-43A-1 Lancer: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
5th FG/29th FS CAF with P-43A-1 Lancer (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Afternoon Air attack on 75th Chinese Corps, at 82,49
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 18
Ki-27b Nate x 7

Allied aircraft
I-16-III x 1
I-15-III x 1
P-66 Vanguard x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
3rd FG/32nd FS CAF with P-66 Vanguard (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
11th FG/42nd FS CAF with I-16-III (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
11th FG/43rd FS CAF with I-15-III (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 6:04:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now it is going to get exciting.  PzB, how are your recon capabilities in Sector 3?  Can you spot any movement or preparations at Charleville?  Anything further out in the plains?  What is left in Bundaberg or Maryborogh?
I think you can really do a lot of damage to his armor and infantry when advancing in the open, and that not only because the AE engine seems to (massively?) overestimate the damage done by 2E and 4E (think of Rommels losses from British bombardment in Afrika -- especially in the open they were comparably low because formations were wide and open as well). 

What are your plans for KB?  Where are the US CV, in CentPac, or on the AUS east coast waiting for KB?  I must admit the idea of sending surface raiders or even CVBGs into CentPac to raid his convoy routes sounds tempting, but that would require to know the location of the US CVs.  If he concentrated his operations and strength now in AUS Sector 3 and appears to be advancing also from India, he must have a weakness of LBA and ground units in CentPac.  Probably he will try to cover that will the naval assets, so using CV raids there might be risky (aside from distracting from possible needs in the Indian ocean or on the AUS east coast soon).  But nonetheless I would send some surface raiders (single BBs or CAs?) to bring depth to the CentPac AO, and force him to spread naval and LBA covering forces over the whole AO.  The more Andy got to spread his forces out hunting a single raider, the thinner his lines.  Might be worse a risk, or two?



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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 6:11:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 17, 42

Air Combat

First night fighter engagement as 5 Havoc's engaged the Helen's over Bundaberg.
They claim 1 bomber.

Over China we decimate the Chinese fighters, using only Oscars.
In Oz Zone 3 we sweep enemy forward positions and claim several "leaky CAP" fighters.
In all a good day were 32 enemy ac are destroyed against 5 of ours.

Night Air attack on Bundaberg , at 96,155
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 27

Allied aircraft
P-70 Havoc x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
18th FG/6th FS with P-70 Havoc (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Australia Command , at 95,153
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3A Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
VMF-111 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34300
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
I-16-III x 3
I-15-III x 5
H81-A3 x 4
P-43A-1 Lancer x 10
P-66 Vanguard x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-16-III: 1 destroyed
H81-A3: 2 destroyed
P-43A-1 Lancer: 2 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 21

Allied aircraft
I-16-III x 1
I-15-III x 5
H81-A3 x 1
P-43A-1 Lancer x 5
P-66 Vanguard x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
I-16-III: 1 destroyed
I-15-III: 1 destroyed
H81-A3: 1 destroyed
P-43A-1 Lancer: 2 destroyed
P-66 Vanguard: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Australia Command , at 95,153
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1
B-339-23 x 1
Hurricane XIIb x 1
Kittyhawk I x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 4
F4F-3P Wildcat x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-339-23: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet
8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet
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Ground Combat

Enemy troops at Nanning attempt a shock attack which cost them.
Another Chinese corps occupy a dot base in Burma.

Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6656 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 529

Defending force 3516 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127
Allied adjusted assault: 220

Japanese adjusted defense: 241
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
208 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
579 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
52nd Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps

Defending units:
66th Infantry Regiment
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Ground combat at Katha (61,43)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15191 troops, 153 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 724
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 332
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 332 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Katha !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
5th Chinese Corps
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 6:21:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have lots of recon, but they mostly focus on the enemy bases so enemy troop concentrations easily "get lost".
That's why I moved the recon unit towards the troop advancing from Charleville and quickly made contact.

Yes, Andy is exposed but the range from our main bases is still considerable.

The KB is just getting back into service after their refit. 3 CV, 2 CVL and 2 CS are merging at Rabaul with the last 3 fleet carriers will be ready
in the HI's in 2-3 days. The Junyo (which I don't consider a fleet carrier) still need 19 days to complete repairs.

Have no idea were Andy's carrier's are. Most likely in PH or West Coast; there are not too many of them and he don't want to meet the KB.
I did send the heavy cruiser Chikuma to raid the Central Pacific; it made contact and sunk some ships and were then sunk by enemy carriers.
- For now we need to follow the situation in Zone 3.


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ORIGINAL: janh

Now it is going to get exciting.  PzB, how are your recon capabilities in Sector 3?  Can you spot any movement or preparations at Charleville?  Anything further out in the plains?  What is left in Bundaberg or Maryborogh?
I think you can really do a lot of damage to his armor and infantry when advancing in the open, and that not only because the AE engine seems to (massively?) overestimate the damage done by 2E and 4E (think of Rommels losses from British bombardment in Afrika -- especially in the open they were comparably low because formations were wide and open as well). 

What are your plans for KB?  Where are the US CV, in CentPac, or on the AUS east coast waiting for KB?  I must admit the idea of sending surface raiders or even CVBGs into CentPac to raid his convoy routes sounds tempting, but that would require to know the location of the US CVs.  If he concentrated his operations and strength now in AUS Sector 3 and appears to be advancing also from India, he must have a weakness of LBA and ground units in CentPac.  Probably he will try to cover that will the naval assets, so using CV raids there might be risky (aside from distracting from possible needs in the Indian ocean or on the AUS east coast soon).  But nonetheless I would send some surface raiders (single BBs or CAs?) to bring depth to the CentPac AO, and force him to spread naval and LBA covering forces over the whole AO.  The more Andy got to spread his forces out hunting a single raider, the thinner his lines.  Might be worse a risk, or two?





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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 9:21:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's some important info for you:

Before doing this turn I spoke with Andy on Skype and told him I was leaving Rockhampton.
- Then his army was in the hex next to the town and all Jap units had already changed to strat mode and given orders to move to Bowen.

Loading up the turn I notice that the Allied army had already moved into Rockhampton at the end of the turn.
"Good timing" was my first thought, but then I noticed that all Jap units had cancelled the order to rail to Bowen

Talking to Andy he tells me that strat move mode is extremely hairy and his units moving into Rockhampton would be enough to
cancel all movement preparations. He also says that this routine is none of his work.

I was allowed to start marching out of town while switching to move mode... Appreciate this
So for all the rest of you, strat movement must be completed 1 turn before an enemy unit enters a base!!!

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My view on this newly and expensively bought piece of information:

In real life the Germans unloaded and embarked from railheads in the frontline.
The units were more vulnerable, fair enough. But imagine this scenario: You've ordered your Army of 50k troops to move out of town,
they're all set and the order is given. During the night a single enemy recon unit of 150 men enters the town and your 50k troops
are forced to unload and stay in town.

In WitP even a single para dropped squad could be enough to cancel the strat move order, so it's essential that we are aware of this
to avoid serious FUBAR.

My point of view is that this routine should be changed; strat moded troops should be very vulnerable to enemy air and ground attacks.
Ideally they should not be involved in ground fighting at all, the other troops in the hex should fight it out and if forced to retreat
even the strat moded troops should suffer this fate and losses.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 18, 42

Air Combat

We hit the enemy armored spearheds heading from Charleville today.
- No CAP, so we sweep empty air before some 200 medium bombers attack.
Bombing from 15k feet we encounter no flak, damage is moderate.

Morning Air attack on 754th Tank Battalion, at 89,150
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 31

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet
31 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Army Tank Brigade, at 89,150
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 10th Light Horse Battalion ...
Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 2nd Recce Battalion, at 89,150
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 49
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 27
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (0 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (2 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
29 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
36 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
20 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 3rd Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 1st Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Recce Battalion ...
Also attacking 3rd Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Recce Battalion ...
Also attacking 3rd Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 6th Chinese Corps, at 74,55 (Liuchow)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 8 damage

Allied ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 9th Group Army ...
Also attacking 6th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 9th Group Army ...
Also attacking 6th Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 6th Chinese Corps, at 74,55 (Liuchow)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 255th Armoured Brigade, at 89,150
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 255th Armoured Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 4th Aus Cav Brigade, at 89,150
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 2nd Recce Battalion ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 11:07:19 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		A bit uncertain what to do this turn; was under the impression that the troops in Rockhampton were allowed to march towards Bowen.
- They were not attacked by the ground troops but 190 Allied bombers attacked them in Rockhampton this turn and movement was restricted to 15 miles...

I'd rather stand and fight in fortified Rockhampton than being "allowed" to march onto the open road north of the town while
being constantly bombed. If attacked on the unfortified plain the rout would be much worse than if they stay in town.

I truly dislike to learn all the things that's not specified in the manual the hard way
- If railroad movement is only to be used for far behind the line movements with severe restrictions whenever enemy troops are around there should be a
section in the manual stating intention and purpose as well as potential penalties.

Better bring the entire KB and fleet to ensure that we can clear up in this mess; one way or the other.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 19, 42

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Lashio , at 62,46
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 29
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet
6 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet
7 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet *

CAP engaged:
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on 1st Motor Brigade, at 88,149
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 56
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 36 (0 destroyed, 36 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 7th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 10th Light Horse Battalion ...
Also attacking 2/4th Armoured Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 1st Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 2/4th Armoured Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Armoured Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 255th Armoured Brigade, at 88,149
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 54
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 27
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 65 (3 destroyed, 62 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
29 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
36 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Recce Battalion ...
Also attacking 255th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Recce Battalion ...
Also attacking 255th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Recce Battalion ...
Also attacking 255th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Recce Battalion ...
Also attacking 255th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 255th Armoured Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Motor Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Recce Battalion ...
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Morning Air attack on 10th Light Horse Battalion, at 88,149
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 13 (2 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 2/8th Armoured Regiment ...
Also attacking 10th Light Horse Battalion ...
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 95,152 (Rockhampton)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort V x 9
A-29 Hudson x 7
P-39D Airacobra x 25

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V: 1 damaged
A-29 Hudson: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufort V bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x A-29 Hudson bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 95,152 (Rockhampton)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16
A-20A Havoc x 3
A-24 Banshee x 2
B-17D Fortress x 3
B-17E Fortress x 47
B-17F Fortress x 16
LB-30 Liberator x 7
B-24D Liberator x 20
B-25B Mitchell x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-25B Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x LB-30 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
3 x A-20A Havoc bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 144th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 16th Army ...
Also attacking 7th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 22nd Recon Regiment ...
Also attacking 20th Ind. Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 45th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 17th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 144th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 17th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 7th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 20th Ind. Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 7th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 17th Infantry Regiment, at 95,152 (Rockhampton)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Ic x 10

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Beaufighter Ic bombing from 22000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 17th Infantry Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 16th Infantry Regiment, at 95,152 (Rockhampton)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-24 Banshee x 10
B-17D Fortress x 3

Allied aircraft losses
A-24 Banshee: 5 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 95,152 (Rockhampton)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 95,152 (Rockhampton)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20A Havoc x 9

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A-20A Havoc bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 95,152 (Rockhampton)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bo
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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 95,152 (Rockhampton)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 11:18:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

Here's some important info for you:

Before doing this turn I spoke with Andy on Skype and told him I was leaving Rockhampton.
- Then his army was in the hex next to the town and all Jap units had already changed to strat mode and given orders to move to Bowen.

Loading up the turn I notice that the Allied army had already moved into Rockhampton at the end of the turn.
"Good timing" was my first thought, but then I noticed that all Jap units had cancelled the order to rail to Bowen

Talking to Andy he tells me that strat move mode is extremely hairy and his units moving into Rockhampton would be enough to
cancel all movement preparations. He also says that this routine is none of his work.



PzB,

I had the same experience with a bde on Java. It was in strat mode with orders to move along an open rail line. A Jap unit moved into the adjacent hex. It never moved no matter what I did. Very ugly. By the time I realized it really wasn't going to be able to move, it was too late to get unpacked to fight. Very ugly.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/4/2010 11:25:52 PM   
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Posts: 4239
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From: Alberta, Canada
Status: offline 		One thing I've run across numerous times is the loss of all movement from stacks set to follow another unit. I keep meaning to post on the tech forum when this happens during the game. I often have units in "move" mode following another unit. Sometimes, for whatever reason, the stack periodically losses all movement gained to date and reverts back to "0". Sometimes the stack may be bombed, and you'll see that a following unit is now set at "combat" move and all other units again have lost their previous movement. Sometimes the lead units movement orders become grayed out and are blank despite the previous turn showing 34 miles completed towards it's objective, then a quick check of all the following units shows they are still set to follow the lead unit, but their orders are grayed out as well and the movement completed is blank. I hope this makes sense, essentially units "lose" movement for some reason and you are forced to start all over again. I've had enemy units escape an encirclement because of this on more than one occasion so it can become quite frustrating. I'm sure it has to be a bug, and if not some explanation as to what is actually happening would be nice to avoid it happening in the future.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/5/2010 2:11:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

...units moving into Rockhampton would be enough to
cancel all movement preparations. He also says that this routine is none of his work.

I was allowed to start marching out of town while switching to move mode... Appreciate this
So for all the rest of you, strat movement must be completed 1 turn before an enemy unit enters a base!!!


I learned this also just 3 days ago as I was attempting to move units ... as you say, big burn.

BTW: the orders cancellation I think applies to "move" as well, but you do not lose the distance already moved. However you swtich to combat mode. Can anyone confirm?

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/5/2010 2:14:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

One thing I've run across numerous times is the loss of all movement from stacks set to follow another unit. I keep meaning to post on the tech forum when this happens during the game. I often have units in "move" mode following another unit. Sometimes, for whatever reason, the stack periodically losses all movement gained to date and reverts back to "0". Sometimes the stack may be bombed, and you'll see that a following unit is now set at "combat" move and all other units again have lost their previous movement. Sometimes the lead units movement orders become grayed out and are blank despite the previous turn showing 34 miles completed towards it's objective, then a quick check of all the following units shows they are still set to follow the lead unit, but their orders are grayed out as well and the movement completed is blank. I hope this makes sense, essentially units "lose" movement for some reason and you are forced to start all over again. I've had enemy units escape an encirclement because of this on more than one occasion so it can become quite frustrating. I'm sure it has to be a bug, and if not some explanation as to what is actually happening would be nice to avoid it happening in the future.


I haven't seen this in a while. I did see this back about release 2 or so, but not since. I had thought it fixed.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/5/2010 4:50:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good of Andy to help you out, sort of.

Question: Would this routine apply if one or more units were left in combat mode as a rear guard? I assume the rear guard won't help, but it would be cool if it did.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/5/2010 8:09:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

One thing I've run across numerous times is the loss of all movement from stacks set to follow another unit. I keep meaning to post on the tech forum when this happens during the game. I often have units in "move" mode following another unit. Sometimes, for whatever reason, the stack periodically losses all movement gained to date and reverts back to "0". Sometimes the stack may be bombed, and you'll see that a following unit is now set at "combat" move and all other units again have lost their previous movement. Sometimes the lead units movement orders become grayed out and are blank despite the previous turn showing 34 miles completed towards it's objective, then a quick check of all the following units shows they are still set to follow the lead unit, but their orders are grayed out as well and the movement completed is blank. I hope this makes sense, essentially units "lose" movement for some reason and you are forced to start all over again. I've had enemy units escape an encirclement because of this on more than one occasion so it can become quite frustrating. I'm sure it has to be a bug, and if not some explanation as to what is actually happening would be nice to avoid it happening in the future.



got the same happening all the time, most often the lead unit moves out, the rest reverts to defend 0 hexes. My PBEM partner told me to set them all to march first and then to follow. No idea if that helps, I´ve just recently been told and haven´t tested it yet. So far I would have called follow unit movement as buggy as in WITP.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/5/2010 10:19:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PzB

A bit uncertain what to do this turn; was under the impression that the troops in Rockhampton were allowed to march towards Bowen.
- They were not attacked by the ground troops but 190 Allied bombers attacked them in Rockhampton this turn and movement was restricted to 15 miles...

I'd rather stand and fight in fortified Rockhampton than being "allowed" to march onto the open road north of the town while
being constantly bombed. If attacked on the unfortified plain the rout would be much worse than if they stay in town.

I truly dislike to learn all the things that's not specified in the manual the hard way


I agree, this kind of thing really sucks, and can cost you dearly now. I'd vote to ask Andy to go back two turns, and start over there. Then I'd make a stand in Rockhampton. Or go back three turns, and move by rail. Andy will also have a benefit from that, of course, since he will know the occurring events. So in any case this issue will give him some sort of advantage. Sorry PzB.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/5/2010 10:40:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

One thing I've run across numerous times is the loss of all movement from stacks set to follow another unit. I keep meaning to post on the tech forum when this happens during the game. I often have units in "move" mode following another unit. Sometimes, for whatever reason, the stack periodically losses all movement gained to date and reverts back to "0". Sometimes the stack may be bombed, and you'll see that a following unit is now set at "combat" move and all other units again have lost their previous movement. Sometimes the lead units movement orders become grayed out and are blank despite the previous turn showing 34 miles completed towards it's objective, then a quick check of all the following units shows they are still set to follow the lead unit, but their orders are grayed out as well and the movement completed is blank. I hope this makes sense, essentially units "lose" movement for some reason and you are forced to start all over again. I've had enemy units escape an encirclement because of this on more than one occasion so it can become quite frustrating. I'm sure it has to be a bug, and if not some explanation as to what is actually happening would be nice to avoid it happening in the future.



Happens to me too. 4 times in China so far. Have started a topic in Tech forum if you want to chime in.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/5/2010 4:58:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

BTW: the orders cancellation I think applies to "move" as well, but you do not lose the distance already moved. However you swtich to combat mode. Can anyone confirm?


Pax

I've found if you click on the map unit icon bringing up the screen showing all the units in the stack and use the "set all" button to change the movement mode you will most definitely lose all your previous movement. However, I've found if you instead bring up each units info screen indivudually and change the movement mode there you will not lose the movement. I hope this helps. Sorry to hijack the thread PzB. I'll stick to Speedy's tech forum post on the issue from now on.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 7/5/2010 5:16:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon


I've found if you click on the map unit icon bringing up the screen showing all the units in the stack and use the "set all" button to change the movement mode you will most definitely lose all your previous movement. However, I've found if you instead bring up each units info screen indivudually and change the movement mode there you will not lose the movement. I hope this helps. Sorry to hijack the thread PzB. I'll stick to Speedy's tech forum post on the issue from now on.


Thanks for this. I'm headed over to the thread as well.

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