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RE: Dum de Dum - 6/28/2010 11:57:02 PM

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How are you planning to phase your offensives and what is your intention in the phasing?

Simultaneity would be effective and simplest but a Bagration-like staggered phasing might be more effective, particularly as two of those are pure ground offensives and two would draw naval reactions if properly constituted.

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RE: Dum de Dum - 6/29/2010 12:17:09 AM

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I am hoping for a strategic simultaneous assault.

The time it takes to march overland in Burma means that offensive has defacto already started with the Chinese move on Katha and Lashio thats phase 1.
Phase 2 Bur Corps marching on katha/Schwebo is also underway but is low key.
Phase 3 the Armour and Heavy Inf Divs march on the Burmese plain is almost readty to kick off and he probably knows its coming from recent fights at Chittagong.

I have a 6 month window in Burma before the nextmonsoon and I plan to make the most of it.4

In Australia the armoured overland assault supported by every 4E I can find and as many B26's as well will lauch in a few days de facto he will become aware of this attack quite early.
The coastal advance by my Australian and US Heavy Inf Divs will kick off in about 5 days after the armour is on the move.

So both of the land offensives strategically are timesd to launch at the same time.

In China its pure reaction I more or less ignore China until I am forced to pay attention to it - I had agreed with PZB we wouldnt make China a big deal but it appears his definition of big deal is different to mine well steps are being taken if he wants to play that game I can cope with it especially if I am pressuring Burma at the same time.

CENTPAC is the tricky one with 11 Battleships, 6 CV's and 2 CVE's plus screen I dont mind a stand up fight but I dont really want one - I want to take my objectives with minimum of fuss I am probably more sensitive to losses in BB's given the bad PH roll.

I have forces prepping for PM and Milne Bay so if I get the chance I may land in his rear

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RE: Dum de Dum - 6/29/2010 12:23:27 AM

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If I was PZB I would bug out now and leave me crushing air if he stands and fights he will lose in Australia.

I have 6 lvl 6+ AF's in range with lots of Fighters and Bombers and I am willing to fight an attrition batle.

PT Boats to protect my ports.

2nd Aus Army in the inland has 2,000 AV mostly armour or motorised units.
1st Aus Army on the coast has 3,000 AV mostly infantry.

I HOPE he has committed enough soldiers to Aus to stop me dead.....

p.s. I have about 1,000 AV in reserve at Aukland out of the way prepping for New Guinea targets to allow to keep on him

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RE: Dum de Dum - 6/29/2010 8:57:45 PM

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OK spent a few turns re orging the air support for the Attack on Australia.

I am concentrating my B17's and B24's in theatre supported by large numbers of B25 Charlies and Bravos and a few Sqns of B26's

My care over my bombers is paying off as I will have a lot of them when the time comes and a few Sqns of P38's and lost of P39's/P40's to back them

Give it a few more days and I will be ready

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RE: Dum de Dum - 7/3/2010 12:43:23 PM

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As you can see I started the air offensive in Australia and my troops are on the move.

In Burma he has spotted BURCORPS the RAF is going to have to get involved

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 12, 42
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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 39,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
     F4F-3A Wildcat x 11

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     11 x F4F-3A Wildcat sweeping at 34300 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
     F4F-3P Wildcat x 16

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     16 x F4F-3P Wildcat sweeping at 15000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
     Kittyhawk I x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     14 x Kittyhawk I sweeping at 25000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
     Hurricane IIc Trop x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     14 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 35000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 34,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
     P-39D Airacobra x 20

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     20 x P-39D Airacobra sweeping at 32100 feet

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Morning Air attack on Burma Corps , at 60,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Burma Corps , at 60,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 8

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Burma Corps , at 60,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     29 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 40,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
     F4F-3A Wildcat x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      2 x F4F-3A Wildcat sweeping at 34300 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
     Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
     Hurricane XIIb x 7

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      6 x Hurricane XIIb sweeping at 35000 feet
      2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 35000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
     Kittyhawk I x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      2 x Kittyhawk I sweeping at 25000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Allied aircraft
     Beaufort V x 13
     Hudson III (LR) x 27
     Mitchell II x 3
     Hudson III (LR) x 7
     B-25C Mitchell x 3
     B-26 Marauder x 32
     B-26B Marauder x 10
     P-39D Airacobra x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
     H6K4 Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
     Hudson III (LR): 1 damaged
     Hudson III (LR): 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
      7 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
      7 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
      3 x Mitchell II bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      7 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
     13 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
     10 x Beaufort V bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      9 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
     10 x B-26B Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
     10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
     10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      3 x Beaufort V bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
     Beaufort V x 9
     Hudson III (LR) x 6

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
      6 x Hudson III (LR) bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
      9 x Beaufort V bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
     B-339-23 x 4

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      3 x B-339-23 sweeping at 30000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
     Hurricane IIb Trop x 9
     P-40E Warhawk x 6

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      9 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 27000 feet
      6 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 27000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
     A-24 Banshee x 12
     P-39D Airacobra x 6

Allied aircraft losses
     A-24 Banshee: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
      4 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 4000'
              Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      2 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 2000'
              Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      6 x A-24 Banshee releasing from 3000'
              Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
     B-25C Mitchell x 7
     B-18A Bolo x 15
     B-25C Mitchell x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
     8 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
      8 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
              Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      7 x B-18A Bolo bombing from 10000 feet *
              Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      8 x B-18A Bolo bombing from 10000 feet *
              Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
              Airfield Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
     A-20A Havoc x 12

No Allied losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x A-20A Havoc bombing from 10000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
     P-40E Warhawk x 15

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 27000 feet
      3 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 27000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
     B-25C Mitchell x 9

Allied aircraft losses
     B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
      9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rockhampton , at 95,152

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 33,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
     P-39D Airacobra x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      3 x P-39D Airacobra sweeping at 32100 feet

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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 60,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
     Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
     20 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 3000 feet
              Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      8 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 4000 feet
              Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
     12 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 2000 feet
              Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
     P-40E Warhawk x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     12 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 27000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Emerald , at 91,151

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
     P-40E Warhawk x 9

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      9 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 27000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 60,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 8

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet *

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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 5
     Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 10

Allied aircraft
     Beaufighter Ic x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
     Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
     Beaufighter Ic: 6 destroyed

CAP engaged:
4th Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     5 plane(s) intercepting now.
     Group patrol altitude is 15000
     Raid is overhead
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 20000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 3
     Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 9

Allied aircraft
     Beaufighter Ic x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
     Beaufighter Ic: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     (4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
     4 plane(s) intercepting now.
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 20000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
4th Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 15000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 2
     Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
     P-38E Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
     Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
      7 x P-38E Lightning sweeping at 12000 feet

CAP engaged:
4th Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 15000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
1st Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 20000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 60,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 31

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
     22 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
     31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
              Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-48-Ib Lily x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
     20 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
     20 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet *
              Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 4th War Area , at 74,55 (Liuchow)

Weather in hex: Extreme overcast

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
     Ki-48-IIa Lily x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
     10 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      9 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
              Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Allied aircraft
     B-17D Fortress x 6
     B-17E Fortress x 29
     B-17F Fortress x 3
     LB-30 Liberator x 4
     B-24D Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
     G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 12
Runway hits 87

Aircraft Attacking:
      4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      6 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      6 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 12000 feet
              Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Bowen , at 93,147

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
     P-38F Lightning x 20

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
     14 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 22000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 46th Indian Brigade, at 60,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-21-IIa Sally x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
     35 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
     36 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
              Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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RE: Dum de Dum - 7/3/2010 1:01:56 PM

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Strategically I have 5 main axis of advance underway in two widely far apart theatres

My objectives.

1. Gain some ground and get him focussed on pulling troops into those theatres
2. Get my pilots some real combat experience and attrit his pilots.

The real attack is quietly prepping in the background.

The real attack is on CENTPAC retake the line islands and take PM/Milne Bay while PZB still has large forces in Australia so I can start to shred his merchant marine while he evacs OR force him to commit KB to preserve his transports at which point the area is flooded with S Boats, PT Boats and LBA.

My goal is to attrit his merchant marine by making him evac, attrit SC Assets that are more dangerous than carriers late war when I go against hard targets, armamenent points etc so he doesnt amalgamate a huge surplus and try and get the master of the counterattack back on the defensive

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RE: Dum de Dum - 7/3/2010 1:03:50 PM

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I have an Amphib Corps prepping in NZ for PM operations, in India for a potential Sabang, Moulmien, Tavoy operation and at PH for a Line Islands/Gilberts campaign.

So I am trying to give myself flexibility to take the initiative and get him moving in different directions

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RE: Dum de Dum - 7/3/2010 7:19:48 PM

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troops are ont he move Burma and Eastern Aus offensives are in full flow

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RE: Dum de Dum - 7/3/2010 9:06:16 PM

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OK not a good turn my ASW TF's missed all his subs.

Copahee took 2 Torps and may not make it to Pearl.

On the other hand 66th Chinese Army has arrived at Lashio and will launch a hasty attack tomorrow

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Operation Privateer - 7/4/2010 2:23:36 PM

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Is under way a tad complicated but what the hey...

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/4/2010 3:33:43 PM

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Andy,

could you give some updated insight into the math you use to estimate what the max limit you can support on each axis? The rules give little help in this area. This is what I have gleaned from this thread and others: I have heard reference that a standard Allied division requires 50 tons of supply per day (so 1500 per month). The base must have greater than 3 times the supply required to send supply. Max loss during transfer is capped at 20%. So, a base must have 1,500*1.2*3 + its own supply needs * 2 (full supply) to support a single division? Using this math, I get 5,400 per division + the base's own full supply needs. From section 15.7: Supplies over 5000 + ( ( port + airfield size ) * ( port + airfield size ) * 3000 ) suffers spoilage. So, given some margin for error, any base that has an airfield size 4 looks like it should be able to stockpile adequate supplies to support 3 divisions + corps troops.
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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/4/2010 4:14:39 PM

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My rule of thumb

1. Chinese Armies not in supply they get what they can...
2. Imphal thrust

Imphal can supply 150 x 7 at present so about 1050 per day or about 30,000 per month at peak.
Silchar can supply about 250 x 8 or about 2,000 per day or 60,000 per month but its one hex further away so lets allow a 50% wastage to that bases contribution

So a max supply on the front fo 60,000 per month

Take off say 10,000 for air and construction etc

So a rough number I can work with is 50,000

An allied 'Div on combat ops uses about 4,000 tonnes of supply per month excluding wastage and loss the further from my supply head I get.

So operating in Imphal itself I could supply say 8 Divs plus supporting HQ, Arty etc and still be building up a small reserve....over time (after the monsoon)

Or 4 Divs with no support during the monsoon...

Every hex I move away from Imphal will increase my wastage the first hex not to bad because of a road but my rule of thumb is 50% per hex thereafter for Jungle hexes so Imphal to Katha has 2 horrible hexes with no road and a major river

so 4000 x 150% x 150% = say 9,000 supply per month per Div so post monsoon with no additional Corps troops or garriosn forces I could operate 3 - 4 Divs on the Assam front with a little capability to allow a small AF to operate in Burma and some suppply for the Chinese

I wouldnt take the admin risk of much more for on this fornt.

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/4/2010 4:17:31 PM

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p.s. before someone says impossible to much to early remember I prioritised the building up the infrastructure in this area from day 1 with 20:20 hindsight in prep for this attack and I used most of the Burmese and Indian Engineers to do this.

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/4/2010 4:28:47 PM

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Thanks Andy!

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/4/2010 6:37:16 PM

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The Air battle of Changsa is lost today I lost 25+ chinese fighters thats the end of that !!!

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 8:18:40 AM

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A few problems on the Rochampton front.

PZB tried to pull a retreat under fire via strat mode.

I believe it was a genuine mistake so I have agreed to let him march out although it messes up my timetable pretty badly

Please everyone note strat mode is not intended for being able to retreat under fire its a rear area re deployment tool do not try to use it to evac at the last possible second unless you are willing to take the risk of having your movement stalled.

De facto rolling stock to move 50,000 men 200 miles is not easy to come by and 2 men with a fire and some telegraph poles (creating sherman hairpins) could have stalled the whole movement.

PZB was unhappy with a mechanic that a single para squad could stop movement - in strat mode I think they could have !!!!

Anyway everyone please note strat mode when enemy units are close = bad thing

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 12:04:50 PM

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Bollocks

Major Admin messup by allied high command in Burma.

As everyone knows I was planning on sending 2 Corps of 10 ish Divs accross the mountains to land in my enemies rear sustained out of Akyab, Chittagong and Cox Bazaar.

So far so good.

I must have had a brain fart somewhere I was sitting thinking to myself - hang on 10 Divs over no roads and jungle mountains thats bollocks.

So I went back to recheck my numbers and sure enough I have made a mistake.

OK so here it is

Assume all bases are built to max they are close to it but need to get AF up another level.
Assume all bases are fully supplied in the green and can be maintained as such.

Assuming both of the above would result in a supply capacity for the 3 bases of about 230k supplies per month but thats misleading lets say my forces are attacking Magwe

To maintain a 4,000 supply point Div there from the coast will cost

14,000 supply if maintained out of Akyab
50,000 supply if maintained out of either Cox Bazaar or Chittagong.

Well the peak rating for those three bases are
Akyab 27,000 per month
Cox Bazaar 24,000 per month and
Chittagon 230,000 per month

So that means the max force I can maintain administratively before I open up Rangoon or the other routes is

say 2 reinforced Divs from Akyab
4 from Chittagong and maybe 1 Bde Gp from Cox Bazzar

Overall call it a single Corps of 5 Divs plus HQ and some support.

My force is twice that - BUGGER

I must have based my maths on non combat supply rating for Divs....

Noob mistake...

My calcs indicate I can only sustain half the force I currently have on the march out of the coastal bases.

(Inland Bases are supporting the 3 Bur Corps Divs driving on Mandalay)

I will need to order XV Corps back to base as well as most of the heavy Arty.

I am not a happy camper today....

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 12:55:24 PM

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Was the supply equation fixed? I recall several people mentioning earlier in this AAR that supplying massive forces in Burma - even through the jungle - was quite easy.

It would be disappointing if you hobble your forces without need. Wouldn't it be possible to advance with all available forces, carefully watch the supply situation and disengage some of them if it turns out the whole force can not be supplied?

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 1:40:00 PM

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Its a matter of style even if I can maintain them all because of an interaction of factors in the game engine I wont do it.

My calcs indicate if I can keep Akyab in the Green I can get 5 Divs through the mountains so thats what I will do...

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 1:49:20 PM

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p.s. I also have about 130 C47's dedicated to air supply at present

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 1:50:06 PM

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If I may ask . . . where does one get the raw data for making these types of calculations?

I would like to make these types of calculations as well . . . independent of what the game engine may or may not allow.

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 2:02:31 PM

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I have a spreadsheet I use to calc them hang on I will post an example of it

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 2:08:52 PM

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There you go

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 2:31:08 PM

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Same analysis supporting BUR CORPS

As you can see at present my supply net can sustain 1 Div from Imphal and 2 from Silchar and Dimapur

As one of the Divs in this attack is the lightend 17th Div on mule pack and the other is my Burmese Div I feel able to support an Indpt Bde as well but then most of my C47's are ont his route as well

In temrs of Corps troops I have a Regt of Stuarts, a Regt of Mountain Guns and a composte AA Regt

So this is really light on support weapons

I thought pretty carefully about how much force was credible to commit

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 2:34:44 PM

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Getting Dimapur and Kohima full developed would allow maybe another 2 - 3 Divs in this theatre more C47's maybe another 1 or 2 butt hats probably the limit but I only had so many engineering assets

i.e. the max force I think can sustain out of Imphal even if all bases is full developed to cross the Irrawaddy without a good recieving Air Filed is about 8 Divs absoulute max or 5 or 6 on land supply excluding all corps and army level support troops

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 5:06:19 PM

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Andy,

the "Supply Rating" is based on the number of secondary roads (100), main roads (150), and minor rail (200) that are in the base hex?

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 5:11:25 PM

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Oh, my, with all this maths on hand, I think a full ofensive throught Burma looks like impossible, from the logistical point of view...

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 9:42:32 PM

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Difficult not impossible

In other news Emerald fell today so progress is being made I have piched and saved B17's for this day I am now focussed and concentrated and will use them to destroy his AF

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 10:02:06 PM

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quote:

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PZB was unhappy with a mechanic that a single para squad could stop movement - in strat mode I think they could have !!!!

If a dozen partisans with a few sticks of dynamite each could screw up a rail line, a para unit could nuke one.

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RE: Operation Privateer - 7/5/2010 10:17:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

PZB was unhappy with a mechanic that a single para squad could stop movement - in strat mode I think they could have !!!!

If a dozen partisans with a few sticks of dynamite each could screw up a rail line, a para unit could nuke one.

On the timescale of this game, that's not really true I don't think.

Sure, you can blow up, say, a half mile of track, but a rail repair crew can lay that much track again in a few hours if its on the ball. They were laying 20-40 miles of track a day when they build the trans-continental railroad and that includes grading, and was done with 1870s technology.

So worst case you might delay a some trains by a few hours, but you certainly wouldn't send everybody back to their original embarkation station and unload them all.

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