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Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/4/2010 7:18:01 PM   
xe5

 

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Status: offline 		Without the aid of reference, anyone know what this unit type symbol represents (bonus crumbs for also knowing the unit size)?




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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/4/2010 8:09:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I know it's regiment size by the square flag. The symbol itself I think represents local security forces...almost like police. Not sure though.

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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/4/2010 8:33:15 PM   
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Here's one that's non-standard...




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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/4/2010 8:43:33 PM   
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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/4/2010 8:53:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bit of a mixup in symbology between the editor, where these BGs are misidentified as infantry, and the strat map where they are correctly shown as armor. And if it were infantry, how would a company-sized element like Pz Korps 224 rate a "4 man" icon in the editor?




edit: my bad..that s/b Panzer Kompanie 224. Maybe Kp. was interpreted as Korps when the editor was arted up.

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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/4/2010 9:00:38 PM   
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http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germany/symbols/_symbols_43.html

A bit confusing when you're used to NATO symbols.

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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/5/2010 2:29:02 AM   
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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/5/2010 2:34:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		The flag seems to indicate a Division HQ (if it had been filled it would have been a Battalion). The wheels on the bottom indicate motorized, but the parallelogram generally indicates armoured forces. Does this mean KG Knaust is the the motorized HQ formation of a panzer unit?

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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/5/2010 6:43:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Knaust's divisional pennant indicates HQ + subordinate formations. Like their compound nouns, the Germans would often combine symbols to indicate special purpose units, but this combination of motorized ('wheels') and armor (parallelogram) symbols isnt seen in any online references.

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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/5/2010 7:09:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps this shall indicate kind of an adhoc unit mixed of armoured and motorized elements of different units under the command of the Knaust HQ?



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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/5/2010 10:52:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		He had training units.  So it's an armor unit with "training wheels". LOL!

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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/5/2010 2:42:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Upon further review, Niehorster's '39-'40 & '41-'42 pages show some combo motorized/armored symbols. The armored engineer graphic from '40-'41 is the closest match to Knaust's icon in LSA.




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RE: Cookie question - German military symbology - 8/5/2010 4:21:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		That could explain it, since KG Knaust full name is  "Pz.Gr Training and Replacement Reg. ‘Bocholt’".
Four infantry Companies and a tank Company from   Trg. & Replacement Reg. ‘Bielefeld’ (The Pz. III and IV known from Arnhem)

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