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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/4/2010 12:00:54 PM

PzB74

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That's true enough Castor, I've not trained the Nicks in naval bombing yet; they're mostly used as a 4E deterrent over Rangoon.
I hope to be able to afford to use some in this role in the future though, Nicks are much less vulnerable than Kate's and Val's.

Another reason not to assume that Andy will run short of supplies...either in Oz or in Burma

- The goal has always been to to prolong the fighting in Australia into 43 and then withdraw with minimal casualties.
No reason to change these plans and risk major losses against restricted enemy units. All we can gain is a little time.

Yep, that attack hurt the Chinese!

I'm obviously not strong enough to defeat such huge Chinese armies in defensive terrain or fortified cities.
The gains must be won by slowly nibbling away at exposed units and bases.

Right now I'm feeling stronger than ever before; most fronts are solid and we have a clear superiority in the air, sea and on land.
So maybe it's time for cunning plans again

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 08, 42

Surface Combat

I sent in the dogs of war today to destroy enemy supply convoys at Chittagong.
The weakened enemy based around the light cruiser Emerald fought hard and shot up our cruiser and a destroyer.
- A long range torpedo hit the Emerald and put her out of the action in a prolonged series of engagements stretching
from night to day combat!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Chittagong at 55,41, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Tama, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Makinami
DD Oyashio
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranui

Allied Ships
CL Emerald, Shell hits 1
DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Chittagong at 55,41, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Tama, on fire
DD Makinami
DD Oyashio
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranui

Allied Ships
xAKL St. Quentin, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
xAKL Jalatarang, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Chittagong at 55,41, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Tama
DD Makinami
DD Oyashio
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranui

Allied Ships
DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Chittagong at 55,41, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Tama, Shell hits 2
DD Makinami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Oyashio
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranui

Allied Ships
CL Emerald, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Air Combat

In the air heavy 4E formations hit Magwe while Allied mediums hit our recon regiment west of
Shwebo. We concentrated on Chittagong, shooting down numerous CAP fighters and torpedoing 5 ships
including a destroyer that sank. Chittagong airfields were also hit.

In total 27 enemy ac were destroyed while we lost 25.
- Our sweepers often go in after our bombers, like our Nell's that returned in the PM phase.
This is costly as these pilots were elite (3 torp hits by 3 Nells that got through before being shot down
after the attack).

Still, we're causing attrition damage on the enemy.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Chittagong at 55,41
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
G3M3 Nell x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
Kittyhawk IA x 1
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAK Changte, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Rizwani
xAK Congella

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Chittagong at 55,41
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
G4M1 Betty x 28

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 1
P-38G Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Griffin
xAK Congella, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
xAK Rizwani, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Erinpura
DD Encounter

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
28 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
14 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Chittagong at 55,41
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
G3M3 Nell x 4

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 12
Kittyhawk IA x 1
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
P-38F Lightning x 1
P-38G Lightning x 4
P-39D Airacobra x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G3M3 Nell: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAK Congella, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Chittagong at 55,41
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 28
G4M1 Betty x 25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 8
Kittyhawk IA x 1
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
P-38F Lightning x 1
P-38G Lightning x 4
P-39D Airacobra x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 destroyed
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Encounter
xAK Demosthenes
xAK Erinpura
xAK Doryssa, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Griffin, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on 5th Chinese Corps, at 60,44
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 5th Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 5th Chinese Corps, at 60,44
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 57
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 8 damaged

Allied ground losses:
106 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
30 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 5th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 5th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 17th Indian Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 84

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *

CAP engaged:
No.11 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters to 2000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 58
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 27

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
C-47 Skytrain: 2 destroyed on ground
Bolingbroke IV: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 7
B-17E Fortress x 71
B-17F Fortress x 28
P-38G Lightning x 19

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ground Combat

The dot base south of Myitkyina is secured, posing a threat to the enemy flanks.
This is the junction were Japan - Chinese and Allied front lines meet in Burma.

Ground combat at Bhamo (63,44)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 690 troops, 0 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 58
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 54
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 54 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Bhamo !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
5th Tank Regiment
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Chinese troops in Nanning are surrounded and starting to surrender.

Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 24688 troops, 216 guns, 278 vehicles, Assault Value = 968
Defending force 9599 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 174

Japanese adjusted assault: 415
Allied adjusted defense: 5

Japanese assault odds: 83 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2531 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 124 disabled
Non Combat: 99 destroyed, 84 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 9 (8 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
12th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
104th Division
66th Infantry Regiment
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
51st Recon Regiment
12th Ind.Mixed Brigade
116th/A Division

Defending units:
52nd Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps
35th Group Army
9th Chinese Base Force
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After prolonged 4E bombing our rearguard at Alice Springs is defeated.
Considered leaving a larger garrison but don't like to sacrifice units.

Ground combat at Alice Springs (74,143)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 130 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8
Defending force 153 troops, 20 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 8
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 3)
Allied forces CAPTURE Alice Springs !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 12 (12 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (14 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /9

Defending units:
8th RF Gun Battalion
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Allied Unit(s) surrounded at Nanning--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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< Message edited by PzB -- 8/4/2010 12:01:02 PM >

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/4/2010 2:55:37 PM

LoBaron

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Hi PzB!
Since you attacked with your bombers at 17k anyway why don�t you simply set part of the sweep (e.g. the Zekes that ran in on 14k)
to 17k also? This way you improve coordination chances which means in case of success the sweepers go in before the strike.

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/4/2010 7:15:57 PM

PzB74

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In many respects that what I did LeBaron.
The Naval bombers and 36 Zeke's were set to 14k feet.
- The Army bombers hitting Chittagong were set to 15k feet with dedicated Tojo and Oscar escorts.
Dedicated sweepers then went in at 25 and 30k feet.

What I didn't want was the Zeke's with their 14 hex long range to escort some of the less valuable army bombers and then let the naval bombers be slaughtered.
The range to the position of Allied ships could very well be at sea outisde Army fighter range.

Ideally the Tojo's would have swept at 30k feet before the naval strike, but so doesn't happen.
All naval bombers did go in escorted, the small Nell packet just went in first and got wiped out in the PM turn.
Such is hard to coordinate better, more coordinated sweepers (naval - army) at 14k feet perhaps?

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/4/2010 9:31:07 PM

LoBaron

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Hm no, I see what you mean.

It depends on your primary goal and is a tradeoff.

If your goal is to assure maximum security for your bombers I�d set the sweeping squads to the attack altitude (in this case 15k) to
maximize chances that the sweep arrives before the bombers.

If your goal is to do max damage to the CAP and accept a bit more risk for your bombers in case a small part comes in separately, coordination with
the escorts fail or you generall think your escort cannot take on the CAP but still want to sweep the target hex then the sweep should naturally be
higher, but has so has a high chance to arrive late to help the strike.

Basically I like the setup.

Last thing is only a guess, but it could be that the set altitude influences the arrival time on target.

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/5/2010 1:15:51 AM

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Interesting developments while I've been away overseas.....

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/5/2010 4:03:29 AM

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Good to hear that Burma is stable and the IJA is ready for the counter-offensive!

Cool screenie - what did you use to create the fancy hi-res "X" and arrow effect?

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/5/2010 7:29:22 AM

PzB74

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Since I don't want any small packet strike to go in alone I have set the Nells and Betty's to attack at the same altitude, but this hasn't happened yet.
- What does happen is that the Betty unit (36 ac) attack by its own and then the small Nell unit (9 ac) does the same. The size 36 Zero unit is then divided to provide escorts for the 2 strikes.

For now I will stand down the decimated Nell's and in the future provide a dedicated escort for them, either at the same or a slightly different altitude.
Guess that's as much as can be done; each time I expect naval targets in Akyba - Cox's or Chittagong I can order an army fighter unit to sweep the base at 14k feet.

Welcome back Mynok, were have you been?

Until otherwise proven if nothing else Cribtop

- I'm using SnagIt version 9, can add many different markers, effects and arrows.

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/5/2010 7:56:35 AM

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Continued static warfare in Burma while we're shortening our frontlines in Oz....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 09, 42

Surface Combat

Been pursuing the rogue mini convoy sailing through the Torres Strait towards Normanton.
The ships that escapted the Betties also managed to escapre from our destroyer....

Day Time Surface Combat, near Coen at 87,133, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Myojinami

Allied Ships
AM Bowen
AM Rail
AM Tern
xAKL Manini
xAKL Kaiping
xAKL Wollongbar

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 20,000 yards...
Allied Transport TF evades combat
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Air Combat

Andy is sweeping the targets for his bombers with a dozen smaller fighter units each turn.
I'm deleting all such unopposed actions.

Ca 330 Allied bombers bombed us in Burma today, this is almost a daily occurance.
Just what I love...a prolonged never ending air battle.

Our 118 ac mission doesn't inflict too much casualties on the 20th Indian!
What I will do is to go through the last 20 combat reports and write down the names of all Allied LCU's
from the "stack" that have been attacked to get a better overview of what we're facing.

Morning Air attack on 20th Indian Division, at 57,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 118
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 34
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 84

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 19 damaged

Allied ground losses:
143 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
33 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 23rd Indian Division ...
Also attacking 73rd Motorised Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 20th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Indian Division ...
Also attacking 73rd Motorised Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 20th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Indian Division ...
Also attacking 73rd Motorised Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd British Division ...
Also attacking 73rd Motorised Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 20th Indian Division, at 57,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Army Tank Brigade, at 77,137
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 19
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 5000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 5000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 4th Aus Cav Brigade, at 77,137
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 3rd Army Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th Aus Cav Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 23rd Indian Division, at 57,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 30000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Bolingbroke IV x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Bolingbroke IV: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Bolingbroke IV bombing from 17000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 39
Hudson I x 24

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 10
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 18

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5
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Morning Air attack on 14th Guards Regiment, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 16

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Vengeance I bombing from 3000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x Vengeance I bombing from 4000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Hudson I x 4

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8
B-17E Fortress x 79
B-17F Fortress x 30

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 50
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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 18

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 31

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ground Combat

Nanning is finally cleared while Cooktown and Tennant Creek have been left to the enemy.

Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 26797 troops, 225 guns, 320 vehicles, Assault Value = 969
Defending force 6456 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 68

Japanese adjusted assault: 377
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 377 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
7424 casualties reported
Squads: 500 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 694 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 45 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 60 (60 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
66th Infantry Regiment
51st Recon Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
104th Division
12th Ind.Mixed Brigade
116th/A Division

Defending units:
31st Chinese Corps
52nd Chinese Corps
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Ground combat at Cooktown (92,137)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9043 troops, 77 guns, 146 vehicles, Assault Value = 632
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 306
Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 306 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Cooktown !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
4th Australian Division
5th Australian Division
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Ground combat at Tennant Creek (76,137)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 282
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 0
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 3)
Allied forces CAPTURE Tennant Creek !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+)

Assaulting units:
2/8th Armoured Regiment
7th Armoured Brigade
2/9th Armoured Regiment
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /8---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/5/2010 8:07:59 AM

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Today I had to watch 20 unopposed Allied fighter sweeps over Burma by ca 230 fighters.
This is so tedious that I want nothing but close down the entire theatre!
- I observe only 1 Allied op loss this turn after 4-500 planes have swept and bombed in Burma.

I varied attack altitude for our bombers in India today and attempted many smaller attacks instead
of a few large ones. Most attacks went in against a single gun regiment....ack.

Chinese airfields are also bombed regularly, but this is of no interest and I remove these reports.
May do the same with the Allied airstrikes in Burma unless something specific happens.

Veni Vidi Tedium.... "I came, I saw, I bored!"

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 10, 42

Air Combat

Morning Air attack on 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 57,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 20000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 57,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 57,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 14000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 2nd British Division, at 57,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 57,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 67
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 34
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 10 damaged

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 16000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
36 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 16000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 6th Medium Regiment ...
Also attacking 150th RAC Regiment ...
Also attacking 6th Medium Regiment ...
Also attacking 150th RAC Regiment ...
Also attacking 6th Medium Regiment ...
Also attacking 150th RAC Regiment ...
Also attacking 6th Medium Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
Bolingbroke IV x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Bolingbroke IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Bolingbroke IV bombing from 17000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 2nd Recon Battalion, at 58,45
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 46
Hudson I x 27

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Morning Air attack on 4th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Vengeance I bombing from 5000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x Vengeance I bombing from 4000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 9
B-17E Fortress x 60
B-17F Fortress x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 44

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 36
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 13
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 15
B-25C Mitchell x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20
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Afternoon Air attack on Daly Waters , at 76,131
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Daly Waters , at 76,131
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/5/2010 10:30:58 AM

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I noticed that Betty/Nells don�t like coordination myself.
Between those airframes is a cruise speed differential of 23kts. Maybe thats enough already to decrease coordination chances.

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/5/2010 5:54:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: PzB
Welcome back Mynok, were have you been?

I'm still here.

Went to Africa actually....

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/6/2010 8:49:57 AM

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Africa, that's something; Dr Mynok I presume!

Today's issue: Night bombing

So far night bombing has been working fairly well, losses have been acceptable - until today.
32 enemy night bombers hit Rangoon and destroy 23 ac on the ground

- Andy agrees that this is out of whack and will halt his night bombing missions until this can be
looked into. It was a clear night, but nevertheless this would have been an astounding good result even
during daytime.

To me it seems like the only night bombing that is realistic is city bombing and night naval attacks
be veteran-elite naval air units. Well, Japanese bombers are so useless that they never destroy more than
1 or 2 ac on the ground, it's the Allied uber bombers that is the problem.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 11, 42

Invasions

This is a location I guess few of you have heard about :-)
Marquesas Islands - French Polynesia.

Plan is to create a seaplane base here and make any Allied transit between Central and South Pacific more
difficult.

Amphibious Assault at Nuku Hiva

TF 177 troops unloading over beach at Nuku Hiva, 191,167

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

8 Engineers lost in surf during unload of 6th Naval Const Bn
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Surface Combat

I pursued the mini convouy into Normanton and wiped out most of the ships there!
Difficult to bag these buggers, sailing through the Torres Strait was an insult almost like
the Channel Dash

Night Time Surface Combat, near Normanton at 86,138, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Myojinami

Allied Ships
AM Bowen
AM Rail, Shell hits 3, on fire
AM Tern, Shell hits 25, and is sunk
xAKL Manini, Shell hits 14, on fire
xAKL Kaiping
xAKL Wollongbar, Shell hits 26, and is sunk
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Normanton at 85,137, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Myojinami

Allied Ships
AM Bowen, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
xAKL Kaiping, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
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Sub Attacks

Hm, moving such ships south probably means Andy is reinforcing his naval presence in Ceylon.

ASW attack near Calicut at 27,37

Japanese Ships
SS I-27

Allied Ships
AGP Sirius
AKV Engadine
xAP Kepong

SS I-27 is sighted by escort
I-27 diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection
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Night Air Attacks

Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 4
Wellington Ic x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed on ground
H6K4 Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x Liberator II bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed on ground

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
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Night Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
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Air Combat

Bombed Tennant Creek today, could be a good thing to hurt the place before serious
opposition is in place. Most of our Air Force in Burma stayed on the ground, not sure if
it was weather or the Uber night bombing attack on Rangoon.

Allied bombers flew as usual though.

Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 11

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 21
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
21 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 7000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Our AA guns claim a few victims if nothing else.
Andy should be noticing our force buildup in this area.

Morning Air attack on 55th Infantry Regiment, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 57
Hudson I x 28

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 42nd Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 84th JAAF AF Bn ...
Also attacking 1st Recon Battalion ...
Also attacking 22nd Recon Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 42nd Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 42nd Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Tank Regiment ...
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Long range attacks all the way to Daly without escorts..2 days in a row.
Moving in some Tojo's in case all good things is 3!

Morning Air attack on Daly Waters , at 76,131

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 13

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Daly Waters , at 76,131
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8
B-17E Fortress x 76
B-17F Fortress x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 68

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 38

Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion ...
Also attacking 114th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking Magwe ...
Also attacking 112th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking Magwe ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment ...
Also attacking Magwe ...
Also attacking 11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 4th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking Magwe ...
Also attacking 18th Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
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Even a B-17 shot down by flak..nice!

Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 11

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Going to attack the routed Chindit's today and tried to soften them up a little.

Afternoon Air attack on 111th Chindit Brigade, at 55,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Even utterly routed (and supplyless?) Chindits are hard to get rid of.

Ground combat at 55,48
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 675 troops, 0 guns, 102 vehicles, Assault Value = 58
Defending force 1208 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 25

Japanese adjusted assault: 27
Allied adjusted defense: 28

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), disruption(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
111th Chindit Bde /2
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion
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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/6/2010 7:51:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Africa, that's something; Dr Mynok I presume!

Today's issue: Night bombing

So far night bombing has been working fairly well, losses have been acceptable - until today.
32 enemy night bombers hit Rangoon and destroy 23 ac on the ground

- Andy agrees that this is out of whack and will halt his night bombing missions until this can be
looked into. It was a clear night, but nevertheless this would have been an astounding good result even
during daytime.

I'm not so sure about that - even putting daytime fighters on night duty seems to greatly reduce the damage done by night bombing. Try it out.

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/6/2010 10:50:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Africa, that's something; Dr Mynok I presume!

No, but I was herding them. Medical clinic in the boondocks. Quite rewarding but tiring for sure.

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/7/2010 12:01:27 AM

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Day fighters on night CAP...that sounds logical!
- Night bombers that should be glad to find a city but are blessed with the ability to blow up whole air wings on airfields; YES, that has to be it!
We use day fighters that wouldn't be allowed to fly at night as a deterrent!

Sorry for the slight sarcasm, think I need to become a programmer to understand how difficult it must be to tweak this correctly.

I'm building up a little frustration with the ever increasing air war in Burma, numbers just increase each turn and dozens of waves of Allied ac drone out to
attack our bases. Each time Andy want's to close or destroy something he can concentrate all his air power on it and voila. We on the other hand can do fine little to prevent it and can't
even keep Akyab closed permanently.

Still we shot down some ac today and bombed Chittagong again, destroying another couple of handfuls of ac on the ground.
There are hundreds of aux ac in this base that is flying out supplies to the advancing army.

My problem is that supplies doesn't flow into Swhebo, all units are constantly red. Mandalay on the other side of the river is all ok.
Not sure I can make a stand at Shwebo, need to pull out and counterattack after refilling supplies...

Despite the hundreds of supply ac I think Japan should be more able to supply the troops in Burma than the Allies while supporting 45 units marching through the jungle and into the basin.
Bringing in the 8th Area Army (arrived very understrength) to Rangoon to try to correct this.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 12, 42

Air Combat

P39's is a poor excuse for CAP fighter!
Trying to keep Tennant Creek suppressed.

Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
19 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 7000 feet *

CAP engaged:
18th FG/78th FS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 17

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 7
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 7000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 57
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 destroyed, 12 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed on ground
C-47 Skytrain: 3 destroyed on ground
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet
8 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 15000 feet *

CAP engaged:
No.5 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Bolingbroke IV x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Bolingbroke IV bombing from 17000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 55th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 4th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Hudson I x 18
B-25C Mitchell x 39

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 3 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 23rd Tank Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 14th Guards Regiment, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 24

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 14th Guards Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 7th Ind.Tank Brigade, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 18
B-25C Mitchell x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
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Morning Air attack on 50th Field AA Battalion, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Also attacking 4th Division ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 4th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 16

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 7000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 83

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1

No Japanese losses
No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
41 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 15000 feet *

CAP engaged:
No.5 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on 111th Chindit Brigade, at 55,48
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 36
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 57

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 21 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed on ground
C-47 Skytrain: 1 destroyed on ground
Bolingbroke IV: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet
12 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet
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Ground Combat

Nuku Hiva is captured and we drive the Chindits back toward Akyab.
Andy launches small para units to recapture the islands between Normanton and Darwin.
- Obviously he wants to build airbases so I guess we have to take them back again...

Ground Combat at 55,48
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 667 troops, 0 guns, 102 vehicles, Assault Value = 58
Defending force 1204 troops, 1 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 25

Japanese adjusted assault: 40

Allied adjusted defense: 16
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
207 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
6th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
111th Chindit Bde /2
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion
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Ground combat at Nuku Hiva (191,167)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1068 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 14
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Nuku Hiva !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
86th Naval Guard Unit
6th Naval Const Bn /2
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Ground combat at Groote Eylandt (82,130)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 90 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 5
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Groote Eylandt !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /9
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Ground combat at Mornington Island (84,135)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 100 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 9
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Mornington Island !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /11
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Ground combat at Wessel Islands (83,126)
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 50 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 3
Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Wessel Islands !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /12
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_____________________________

"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to Mynok)

Post #: 1155

RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/7/2010 12:36:08 AM

PzB74

Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
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LOL! Wonder what it takes to come up with a plan to go to Africa

I've only returned the combat replay for this turn to Andy; going away for a few days.
- Also feel that I need to charge the batteries cause the crescendo in the air over Burma is whitling away my motivation to play.
I've not edited the air combat text today, so you can see the same I have to click my way through each turn.

This turn 220 Allied fighers performed sweep and escort operations to support 227 medium and 79 heavy bombers.
Taung Gyi was demolished and utterly closed; we didn't loose to many ac on the ground as I don't dare to have ac on the ground.
- Most ac are either sweeping, escorting, performing recon or bombing missions.

Still, both Magwe and Taung Gyi are now closed and I can't base aircraft in the forward bases.
We destroy more ac than we loose, but enemy numbers just keep increasing.

Today we sank another small convoy of Chittagong and lost a minelayer to Calcutta based SBDs as we try to sneak in a few mines.

I think we have stronger ground formations and better fighters than the Allies, but US medium and heavy bombers make the entire difference and it's quite
a tough task to perform ground operations when they keep knocking out our airfields and bombing all our ground troops with impunity. What use do I have for 300 good fighters
if I never can get to the bombers (15 x sweeps make sure of that) or challenge the Allied fighters (a standing CAP against 12x sweeps is a loosing proposition)?

Andy says he loves to play SEAC and Burma and spends most of his time in this theatre

Of course it's opposite with me and I actually invaded India in our last game to get rid of the Burma theatre.

Since it's not an option to loose Burma to the Allies in 42-43, that would be the beginning of the end for Japan, I need to bring in more troops and ac
and continously escalate the war in the theatre I like the least. Told Andy that I'm not sure I can stand hundreds of air strikes in Burma for years to come.
- It's a true eye opener; I can survive loosing the entire KB and fight on, but finding motivation to keep up the struggle in Burma is going to be hard.

Taking 2 days off to begin with

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 13, 42

Surface Combat

Somehow Andy got a surface combat TF near Nuku Hiva, that was not convenient!
Our troops are ashore but we lost a few ships and some supplies.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Nuku Hiva at 191,167, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CM Hoko, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
xAK Ayatosan Maru, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Shinkoku Maru, Shell hits 28, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Teiko Maru, Shell hits 39, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Raleigh
DD Henley
DD Thanet
DD Napier
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 34

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 11
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
11 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 34

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 23

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 8000 feet *
19 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 7000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 11

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 25000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 10

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 25000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 20

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 16th British Brigade, at 57,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 16th British Brigade, at 57,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 42
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
133 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 14

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 16th British Brigade, at 57,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 16000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 52
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 43
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 34

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 26 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
C-47 Skytrain: 4 destroyed on ground
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
32 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 16th British Brigade, at 57,46
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 9 damaged

Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
P-40K Warhawk x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet *
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet *
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 4
P-40K Warhawk x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 25000 feet *
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 25000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 57,47 (Magwe)
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Bolingbroke IV x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Bolingbroke IV: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Bolingbroke IV bombing from 17000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 114th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 42
Blenheim VD x 3
Hudson I x 24
Mitchell II x 2
B-17D Fortress x 5
B-17E Fortress x 39
B-17F Fortress x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 62

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hudson I bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Hudson I bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x Blenheim IV bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x Blenheim VD bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
2 x Mitchell II bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 3
Wellington Ic x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 36

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Liberator II bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
B-17E Fortress x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 2
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 29000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet
3 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 11
Wellington Ic x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 81

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 8 damaged

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 154

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Liberator II bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington Ic bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 21

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 7000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Chittagong at 55,41
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
G4M1 Betty x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AM Cromarty, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Nanchang, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAKL Shan Tung, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 11

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 21

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 29000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 16

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 29000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 17

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 29000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 53,45
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CM Kyosai
CM Tsubame, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
1 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 13
P-38F Lightning x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-38E Lightning sweeping at 29000 feet
3 x P-38F Lightning sweeping at 29000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd USMC Parachute Battalion, at 84,135 (Mornington Island)
Weather in hex: Extreme overcast

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

We start counterattacking the enemy para units.
- An RAF sqd is already in the process of lifting into one base!

Ground combat at Groote Eylandt (82,130)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 276 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 13
Defending force 302 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Japanese adjusted assault: 9
Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Raiding Rgt /2

Defending units:
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /9
3rd RAAF M/W Sqn /1
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Ground combat at Mornington Island (84,135)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 211 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17
Defending force 95 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Japanese adjusted assault: 14
Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Mornington Island !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka Assault SNLF /2

Defending units:
2nd USMC Parachute Battalion
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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/7/2010 2:23:39 AM

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LOL! Wonder what it takes to come up with a plan to go to Africa

Well, it takes just as much to go in a humanitarian mode as it does in a military mode I can assure you. And in each case the likelihood of coming down with the crud is equal, as my wife and I can attest.

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/7/2010 2:32:10 AM

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When I was a kid I read a book by a British WWII fighter pilot. One of his assignments was as a night fighter - in a day fighter aircraft! IRL they use what they have when they have it for what they need it for.

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RE: Are we actually playing THE SAME GAME? - 8/7/2010 3:26:51 AM

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Wow, the Marquesas! Reminds me of a Crosby, Stills & Nash tune. Well done.

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DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/8/2010 6:07:05 PM

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I realised, that it shows last message title in last post listing, so nothing better like small deception.

Looks like Japan airforce can not withdraw, because they will be bombarded on airfields anyway, so the only option is to fight.
Since there are many Allied sweep attacks, but mostly with less than 15 fighters, Japan only needs to keep 20-25 planes in the air area all the time. At least for fighter combat. Best of all, Allied bombers are all unescorted. So here is plan outline:
Attacked bases in Burma (around Mandalay) are positioned in cluster, one next to another. Place maximum number of TOJO units in EVERY base. Be careful NOT to overstack them. Put them on full CAP. Plus, every nearby base (like Lashio, and Chiang Mai), should have some A6M2, A6M3, NICK, or OSCAR units, put on LRCAP over one of those bases in cluster. As much bases, as possible, should be covered, to avoid any bad weather incidents.
That way, even, when CAP on original, attacked base will gone down, setup should guarantee protection. If only 3-4 planes from every group leak, LRCAP, or leak from nearby LRCAP to attacked base, 6 different units would be enough to keep 20 fighters in air. The best part is, that there is always only small number of planes leaking, so leaving most of it out of combat in current engagement, and that with time, more leak to attacked area, so even, when fighters on original base will land because of out of ammo/fuel, there will be more planes from leaking CAP.
You don't need air support for all this groups, because LRCAP will be far too tired after two days of combat, so this is not prolonged plan anyway. If Japan manage, to get 50 fighters, after sweeps, there should be slaughter of Allied 2E bombers. So it would be better to place all planes at bombers altitude, around 15000 or even lower.
Even, when loses will be bad, Japan currently can afford even 1:3 ratio, considering both sides productions. Shot down bombers will cause drop in morale, so even less bombers will fly next day.

As for supply problems:

All those Japan bombardments, with escort, use at least 500 supply a day. Plus, with new rules, supply hits causes more damage, depending of "device" size (I am guessing hit from basic version was considered for 30kg bombs, so with 500lb it is 8 times more, if it was 5 supplies for hit for 30kg (wild guess), now it will be 5*8=40 for 250kg. 20 hits per day: 40*20=800). Plus all those daily Allied bombardments, and repairs. Sum is like 2000-3000 at least? Daily, only for air operations, bombardments and repairs. Plus supply for constantly attacked units, plus supply for expanding bases. So 5000 a day could not be enough. And now there will be land battle. Erm, does that mean, that Japan needs 100k supply convoy to Burma every week?
Oh, and do not send bombers at extended range. Half payload is such a waste. After all, it is number of dropped bombs, what counts, not attacking planes.

As for AUSTRALIA supply. I was wrong:
Manual page 250. I am wondering what is actually "supply value" to begin with. In WPO it was 100, in WitP it was 100, or 120.
So there is table of movement costs at page 189. Every clear hex, or Trail costs 10 points (so 10 hexes*10 points should be maximum length of supply chain). Secondary Roads costs 5, Main Roads costs 3.
Secondary is kinda orange color, Main is gray, and Trail... is part of Railway and is not visible on map (go figure). So... in Australia they will be supplied as long as supply goes by roads. If roads are cut off, 10 hexes of clear terrain cut all supply (Jungle costs 20). Those para remnants near Cloncurry could be useful in "cutting" matter. And maybe some amphibious assault to cut northern road? Are there HR for dropping paras not in bases? After all, Allies are already 350 miles from nearest base.

As for "guessing" where Enterprise is. Most sightings reports CA, which is total bullshit, but it is very hard to miss Battleship, and I don't think I have ever seen misidentified Carrier. So... search the ports, there are probably only 3-4 places, where it could be (Pearl Harbor, San Francisco, and Los Angeles?). That is exactly, what the GLENs are for. Right?

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

5577 Allied sorties, it was over 5800 at 31th. Considering than in peak, they had over 6000, so around 500 less already.
Since CV planes are mostly not flying now (that should be around 200-300), so Allies are short at least 100-150 frontline planes, since Palmyra attack.

PS. I wouldn't turn off Armament production. There is graph somewhere, which indicates, that ultimately, there is not enough points, somewhere in 43-44. And that is without any losses. OK, maybe graph was for original WITP, but someone counted, that to fill all units in China, it is like 18 months of full production? Some units there beginning at only 1/3 TOE.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/9/2010 11:00:10 AM

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Indeed, nothing like emulating a major disaster Inqistor

I had to make a difficult decision this turn; march my troops out of Shwebo and leave 3 AA and one Recon unit to the enemy or stay and fight with a lack of supplies.
- I chose the latter, hope it wasn't the wrong one. 9 enemy units have now marched into Shwebo but I don't know their makeup but expect it to be some Chinese as well as the units I routed before. Have to wait and see were the enemy army is marching, a single Bde has already moved south closer to Magwe.

There's nothing I'd like more than to withdraw from the open basin, but this would be the end of Rangoon and that's not an option.

I also started the process of splitting up the Base Force units around Magwe; since the bases can be closed at will it doesn't make sense to try to keep any single major base open, much as you suggested Inqistor! A fine mix of expendable Oscars and more capable Tojo's could work. It always seem like the worst fighters are those that go down first.

The idea about using LRCAP is good, we can probably cause more Allied bombers losses. The draw back is that many of those individual 20 ac CAP packets most likely will face superior numbers of enemy fighters sweeping at high altitude. Allied fighters will also suffer though and I have realised that nothing but a painful battle of attrition is possible. Lost airframes we can afford, but we're also talking about the best fighter pilots in the Jap Army Air Force here.

A few cunning plans have been set in motion though, Port Blair has been upgraded and now holds 70 crack Nell naval bombers and an Air HQ.
- Surface combat TFs are operating in the area and 2 bombardment group will hit Cox's and Chittagong again tomorrow.

Supplies;

Hm it's certainly possible that such supply drains caused by bombing will have a major impact. My experience is still that even before Shwebo was bombed I could never manage to get supplies into the base; it was constantly in the red. If I want to hit back most of my bombers have to fly at extended range unless I wish to base them within range of enemy 4Es...(I don't).

So what's the implications of your understanding of supply management in Oz; can Andy easily supply his armies in Tennant Creek and beyond?
- Any smaller para unit or remnant will be quickly disposed of I'm afraid, we also don't drop para's on non-base hexes.

Sending Glen's on recon missions over major cities like LA and SF would most likely see them shot down in no time.
Think I got 5 subs with Glen's in the Central Pacific right now.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/9/2010 5:40:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
I also started the process of splitting up the Base Force units around Magwe; since the bases can be closed at will it doesn't make sense to try to keep any single major base open, much as you suggested Inqistor! A fine mix of expendable Oscars and more capable Tojo's could work. It always seem like the worst fighters are those that go down first.

I don't think Oscar is good choice, but the only other are ZEROs, so it risks navy pilots. Anyway OSCARs at least can patrol higher, as they have troubles with downing bombers.

quote:

The idea about using LRCAP is good, we can probably cause more Allied bombers losses. The draw back is that many of those individual 20 ac CAP packets most likely will face superior numbers of enemy fighters sweeping at high altitude.

20 planes is something like WORST CASE SCENARIO. There should be 20-30 fighters from attacked base, and 5-15 from every nearby unit, so I'm guessing average will be 40-50 at least, but even 20 should be enough for fair combat. Japan still have better pilots, and most Allied planes are not better, than Japanese.

quote:

Allied fighters will also suffer though and I have realised that nothing but a painful battle of attrition is possible. Lost airframes we can afford, but we're also talking about the best fighter pilots in the Jap Army Air Force here.

Yup, maybe it is time to release pilots from training somewhere sooner? The situation with time will only be worse. Anyway Allies should lost more pilots in this engagement. Actually if A2A will be good, it is worth considering to man units with greenier pilots, if they are expected only to shot down unescorted bombers.

quote:

If I want to hit back most of my bombers have to fly at extended range unless I wish to base them within range of enemy 4Es...(I don't).

Airfield bombardments weren't so far especially effective, so there are always other targets. With full bomb payload.

quote:

So what's the implications of your understanding of supply management in Oz; can Andy easily supply his armies in Tennant Creek and beyond?

I would guess the PANZER FIST operates currently at 50-70% maximum efficiency, because of lack of supplies. It is actually possible to count days it needs to march one hex, and count it effectiveness by it. If you have troubles at Shwebo, there should be even more problems in Australia. But hey, even identical Allied bomb payload makes much more damages, than Japanese, so who knows?

quote:

- Any smaller para unit or remnant will be quickly disposed of I'm afraid, we also don't drop para's on non-base hexes.

Only by other para drop. If they are to be countered by land, Allies must first march through like 3 hexes, and it will take a week.
It is possible, that on every second road hex is guarding unit, but I don't think so.

quote:

Sending Glen's on recon missions over major cities like LA and SF would most likely see them shot down in no time.
Think I got 5 subs with Glen's in the Central Pacific right now.

In my experience GLENs much more often are destroyed by operational losses. 2 flies should be enough to detect bigger ships.

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 7:43:57 AM

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I actually don't have more spare Zero's; the ones I have escort naval bombers or have been deployed in the Pacific.
Nicks I don't want to burn completely as they're deterent to 4Es. That leaves Tojo's and Oscars.

This turn I have deployed a piecemeal LR and CAP over various bases to increase enemy losses.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 14, 42

Surface Combat

Bombardment TF picks up a ship on the way in!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Cox's Bazar at 54,42, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CA Aoba
DD Arashi
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio

Allied Ships
xAKL Kalarand, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
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Bombardments

The bombardments cause some damage but nothing to write home about.

Night Naval bombardment of Cox's Bazar at 54,43 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Nagato
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Minegumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Natsugumo

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 1

BB Ise firing at 77th Coast AA Regiment
BB Nagato firing at 109th RN Base Force
109th RN Base Force firing at BB Nagato
DD Shiratsuyu firing at Cox's Bazar
DD Minegumo firing at Cox's Bazar
DD Yamagumo firing at Cox's Bazar
DD Natsugumo firing at Cox's Bazar
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Night Naval bombardment of Chittagong at 55,41 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
C-47 Skytrain: 1 destroyed on ground

53 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CA Aoba, Shell hits 4
CA Atago
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Oshio
DD Arashi

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 13

CA Aoba firing at Chittagong Fortress
Chittagong Fortress firing at CA Aoba
1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment firing at CA Atago
CA Atago firing at 1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
DD Arashio firing at Chittagong
DD Michishio firing at Chittagong
DD Oshio firing at Chittagong
DD Arashi firing at RAF 225 Group Base Force
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Invasions

Fast transport to get rid of enemy paras

Pre-Invasion action off Groote Eylandt
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DD Hagikaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Amatsukaze

DD Hagikaze firing at 3rd RAAF M/W Sqn
DD Hamakaze firing at 3rd RAAF M/W Sqn
DD Amatsukaze firing at 3rd RAAF M/W Sqn
DD Hagikaze fired at enemy troops
DD Hamakaze fired at enemy troops
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Amphibious Assault at Groote Eylandt

TF 211 troops unloading over beach at Groote Eylandt, 82,130

Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Sub Attacks

More sub attacks and more duds around the Home Islands.
Got 4-5 ASW groups at work and need longer range ASW ac.

Submarine attack near Kochi at 107,62

Japanese Ships
TK Nitiei Maru

Allied Ships
SS Gudgeon

TK Nitiei Maru is sighted by SS Gudgeon
SS Gudgeon launches 6 torpedoes
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Sub attack near Koshiki-jima Retto at 100,60

Japanese Ships
xAK Totori Maru
PB Keinan Maru
xAK Tosei Maru
PB Rikusen Maru

Allied Ships
SS Kingfish

SS Kingfish launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Totori Maru
Kingfish diving deep ....
PB Rikusen Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Rikusen Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Rikusen Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Rikusen Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Rikusen Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Our naval bombers at Port Blair score their first kill.
- By mistake our bombardment TF at Chittagong hangs around and is saved by the fact that only
9 SBD's take of to attack them....

4E's perform ground attack against our paras; In real life such bombings usually nuked friends as foes
as bombs couldn't be dropped accross frontlines with much precision.

Morning Air attack on 39th Indian Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 39th Indian Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 42
Blenheim VD x 10
Hudson I x 23
Mitchell II x 4

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 7
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12

No Allied losses

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Madras at 39,43
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 10
G3M3 Nell x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
xAKL Meroendoeng, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Norman
DD Nepal
DD Phelps

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
10 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 3 destroyed, 17 damaged

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 14000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd USMC Parachute Battalion, at 83,126 (Wessel Islands)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Tennant Creek , at 76,137
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 7000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Chinese Corps, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 31
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 9 damaged

Allied ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 16000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Chittagong at 55,41
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 3
Hurricane IIb Trop x 9
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
P-40K Warhawk x 9
SBD-3 Dauntless x 11

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Aoba
CA Atago
DD Michishio

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
Bolingbroke IV x 4
P-38E Lightning x 4

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Bolingbroke IV bombing from 17000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 1st Raiding Regiment, at 82,130 (Groote Eylandt)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 3rd Indpt SNLF Coy , at 82,130 (Groote Eylandt)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Enemy bombardment attack at Shwebo reveals that the enemy is stronger than us but that
we have more tanks. The supply shortage could be telling though; if Andy can supply his Army at Shwebo and
we don't we're toast..and I'll be mighty pi$$ed :p)

Ground combat at Shwebo (59,45)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 42075 troops, 475 guns, 203 vehicles, Assault Value = 1858
Defending force 33869 troops, 349 guns, 572 vehicles, Assault Value = 1324

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
17th Indian Division
46th Indian Brigade
14th Indian Division
5th Chinese Corps
39th Indian Division
66th Chinese/C Corps
Burma Corps

Defending units:
14th Division
2nd Recon Battalion
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
23rd Tank Regiment
4th Division
14th Tank Regiment
14th Guards Regiment
56th Field AA Battalion
50th Field AA Battalion
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We wipe out the enemy infestation, one island to go - an amph landing unit and a naval guard
will handle that.

Ground combat at Groote Eylandt (82,130)
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 730 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 39
Defending force 317 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Japanese adjusted assault: 11
Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Groote Eylandt !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
389 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
1st Raiding Rgt /2
3rd Indpt SNLF Coy /1
Yokosuka Assault SNLF /3

Defending units:
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /10
3rd RAAF M/W Sqn /1
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Action in Burma

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 7:50:50 AM

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 8:01:02 AM

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Burma

Ok we have reached a critical junction in this first Allied offensive of the war.
23 enemy units have marched onto the plains between Magwe and Mandalay.

In Shwebo our 1350 AV is facing 1850 AV of enemy (inferior?) troops and will try to fight them to a standstill.
- I now need your advice for one of the most important decisions;

Should we move all our troops in Mandalay and Magwe towards the enemy units and try to trap and defeat them?
I have already ordered most combat units to march (move mode) and we can besiege the enemy in 2 days.
We got ca 3200 AV to deploy, leaving a garrison at Magwe and Mandalay. In 7-10 days a reserve division will arrive at Rangoon.

Worries:
a) the enemy Army will march into Magwe or Mandalay as we march to meet them, is this possible?
b) if we sit idle the enemy Army may overpower the garrison at Mandalay and trap our troops in Shwebo.

I've ordered most of our bombers to hit the enemy and expect and uber effort by the enemy as well.
If we succeed here Burma will be saved for this time, if we fail we loose the central Basin and Rangoon will be threatened.

We should be more tank heavy than the Allied troops as they have cut down the jungle to get their tank units and supply convoys through the jungle.
Quite a feat

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 8:16:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Worries:
a) the enemy Army will march into Magwe or Mandalay as we march to meet them, is this possible?

Do you mean if the two armies are marching toward each other and both accumulate the necessary miles to advance 1 hex on the same turn?

I don't know what will happen - I've never seen it. Purely guessing, I think the IJ force would move and the Allied force would be blocked from moving. I base this only upon the fact that the IJ seems to move first in ground combat, so I presume same in ground movement.

Might be a good developer question in the main forum?

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 8:34:35 AM

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Yes, but I'm not sure I'd like to ask Andy this question right now

- Still I want to avoid major FUBAR even more....

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 8:54:40 AM

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PM one of the programmers?

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 9:59:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Burma
...
23 enemy units have marched onto the plains between Magwe and Mandalay.

In Shwebo our 1350 AV is facing 1850 AV of enemy (inferior?) troops and will try to fight them to a standstill.
- I now need your advice for one of the most important decisions;

Should we move all our troops in Mandalay and Magwe towards the enemy units and try to trap and defeat them?
I have already ordered most combat units to march (move mode) and we can besiege the enemy in 2 days.
We got ca 3200 AV to deploy, leaving a garrison at Magwe and Mandalay. In 7-10 days a reserve division will arrive at Rangoon.

Worries:
a) the enemy Army will march into Magwe or Mandalay as we march to meet them, is this possible?
b) if we sit idle the enemy Army may overpower the garrison at Mandalay and trap our troops in Shwebo.
...

Hmmh, this theater has really become a thorn in your side. I would say if you allow Andy to take the basin, and particularly give him access to a harbor like Rangoon, then the Malayian peninsula and Vietnam will be in British-Indian hands by mid 1943. Then he will attack Sumatra or Java, or alternative jump from Vietnam into Borneo and complete isolate the theater will all it's assets -- then all the garrison forces and air there would be wasted and taken out without a battle. Plus supply flowing into China (see what Nemo121 is achieving there with additional supply!). I don't want to paint worse ghosts, but I think your goal must be to hold Burma at least until late 1943, if not longer, even if you have to strip SRA and DEI for troops and air.

For this year, when does monsoon start and end? Can you hold the basin until the rain comes? Even if Andy has fully supplied and undisrupted troops, which logically must be close to impossible, Andy's supply situation must get much worse so far off his bases connected only through long supplies lines in poor jungle terrain if this engine handle the supply and weather only reasonably well. Then he either will need to have a port to get supplies faster, or needs to stop offensive actions and maybe even withdraw back to India if you push. So I would try in your situation to contain him where he is. Maybe he is actually only putting up a big demonstration for you to channel as much of your forces into Burma and attrit them meanwhile a bit using forces he doesn't plan to use elsewhere, and knows would be idle otherwise (as you voluntarily ceded initiative not attacking India).

The exact tactical dispositions of how and where to stop Andy I think you can handle best yourself. Mandalay and Magwe, I don't know, but I guess I would personally be tempted to move your forces there. However, I would be daring and move less forces into the better fortified place, and try to concentrate as much as possible on the other enemy stack. Try to whip them one after the other...

As for the air war... I think you are actually doing quite fine. The hit accuracy and calculated effects of the 4E and 2E bombers maybe be a bit over the top, though. If I translate the effect of a few bomber here over to a 1000 bomber strike in Europe historically, then I wonder how war could have lasted beyond spring 1944. After all wasn't one "hit criterion" for a 4E bomber crew that it's bombs fell in a 5km circle around the target area? I recall that from a canadian docu series on the air war. Likely the accuracy for a well-defined, visible target was in truth better, but if it was so much better, why would this criterion have existed? Anyway, I think you are doing really fine and Andy must be short on replacements, and loosing a higher ratio of valuable pilots since you are fighting on your own terrain...
Good luck!

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RE: DISASTER IN BURMA! - 8/10/2010 10:53:39 AM

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Yes, could do that - suggestions for a good candidate?
Can ask JW as well if he's around!

My problem is that the basin in Burma is clear terrain, if it was jungle I could defend with 1 hand and 4 fingers tied to my back as terrain modifiers are extremely powerful in AE.
- Loose the Basin and we will be absolutely pummeled from the air, making it impossible to reinforce Rangoon from the sea.
- Loose Rangoon and Port Blair will suffer the same fate and then the bases south can be trashed while Sumatra is threatened.

All this would of course take most of 43, but it's still a very ugly worst case picture.
Monsoon period last from May-September which means we still got another 5.5 months left

In real life October would be a "drying up" month.

So yes, I'm pulling lots of resources in. With the extra division enroute we will have 5500 AV in the area.
Reserves will then be limited to 1 Guards Rgt at Bangkok, 1 Regiment and 1 Bde at Singapore as well as numerous smaller garrison units in Sumatra.
- More substantial reinforcements are held in Java, but I can't move this and one div is still rebuilding. In a worst case scenario I got 1 division at Rabaul that can be shipped in.

The next couple of turns will see 2 decisive revelations; Can Andy defeat us at Shwebo and what will be the strength ratio between our Burma Basin Army and the "Stack" that Andy has deployed there.

If we can manage a 1-1 against the "Stack" it should be possible to sustain things and maybe also drive it back into the jungle if supplies becomes an issue for Andy.
This is Andy doing what he likes best and knows best, so I'm not expecting an easy run.

Losses in the air will also be heavy, but there's no holding back now; LAST MAN STANDING!!!

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