Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: tornnight

They aren't owned by private citizens. They also don't get upgraded.

You have to retire and rebuild. Hopefully this gets changed in a patch.

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the private sector never upgrades/updates - just doesn't seem real does it.....

IMO the private sector is very annoying in this game, it's very inefficient, and extremely un-practical (building mines for the sake of it) very wasteful, and uses up a lot of CPU resources for what, to barely make the economy tick over.....

mines, mines, mines that's all i ever see, my empire has more than enough mines on a particular resource.......

more mines = more private ships = more defence ships = more resource usage = more mines......

if my empire does not need a mine built for a particular resource than no build a bloody mine.....

with so many private ships running around using up resources for the SAKE of it...... drives me mad,

especially when the game slows down so much, to much chaos on screen, too many UNNEEDED mines being constantly built, which i can not help think it is a design decision by the developer, other wise it would of been corrected by now considering how many patches there have been,

perhaps AI stagnation would occur if they only built what was needed, (AI expansion would become very slow due to supply demand rarely exceeding supply consumption)

in one instance i had 9x the amount of one resource coming in, and yet my AI was still building more mines for that resource, why, why, oh WHY keep building mines that the economy so does NOT NEED,

why does the game seem to want to build everything and EVERYWHERE!!!

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ORIGINAL: Registered55

(couldn't help noticing that only one section of what i said in my previous post was picked up, and the rest was ignored as it would seem given the responses that has followed since)

anyway i was speaking in regards to auto AI construction ships, when on auto they build what ever they want.... that's what i was referring to,

if my construction ships does that, then so does the AI players construction ships do it, as it's more and likely they share the same AI algorithms,

yes.... i can do it manual, but the AI players can't,

the construction ships like said before are overkill, they keep building......

obviously i never made myself clear before, but i was referring to the Construction ships building mines,

they keep building for the sake off it,

and i was already aware turning off the auto build as a short term fix, but that wasn't what i was trying to relay,
Auto means within the game concept, controlled by minsters, planet side staff if you will, auto should be build what's needed, otherwise the Auto option should never be used, because when would one know when to turn it off?

my previous post was more about the in-efficiencies as a hole rather then specific parts of the economy side of AI.
the building AI system in general is overkill, mines are being built for no other reason but for the sake of it,

unless of course those who have responded before knows how to turn of the AI players auto build system, like the human player can.... LOL (an enigma)

.......

it's all academic now anyway,

I'm sure many other readers got what i meant.... i hope, maybe... ahh who cares. LOL,

my eyes are now on "Star Ruler" anyway,

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One thing about mines in DW that you may not realize...the mines have finite resources. That is they will eventually run out of resource. To see this in action go into the editor, pick a planet and look at its resources. It will look something like this:

Steel 330928 45%

Your resource is steel, the total available on the planet is 330928, and the extraction rate is 45% (if I am reading the numbers correctly).

So in a way, you do need to keep building mines, because your current mines will play out eventually.

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ORIGINAL: Registered55

(couldn't help noticing that only one section of what i said in my previous post was picked up, and the rest was ignored as it would seem given the responses that has followed since)

anyway i was speaking in regards to auto AI construction ships, when on auto they build what ever they want.... that's what i was referring to,

if my construction ships does that, then so does the AI players construction ships do it, as it's more and likely they share the same AI algorithms,

yes.... i can do it manual, but the AI players can't,

the construction ships like said before are overkill, they keep building......

obviously i never made myself clear before, but i was referring to the Construction ships building mines,

they keep building for the sake off it,

and i was already aware turning off the auto build as a short term fix, but that wasn't what i was trying to relay,
Auto means within the game concept, controlled by minsters, planet side staff if you will, auto should be build what's needed, otherwise the Auto option should never be used, because when would one know when to turn it off?

my previous post was more about the in-efficiencies as a hole rather then specific parts of the economy side of AI.
the building AI system in general is overkill, mines are being built for no other reason but for the sake of it,

unless of course those who have responded before knows how to turn of the AI players auto build system, like the human player can.... LOL (an enigma)

.......

it's all academic now anyway,

I'm sure many other readers got what i meant.... i hope, maybe... ahh who cares. LOL,

my eyes are now on "Star Ruler" anyway,

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ORIGINAL: lancer

G'day,

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One thing about mines in DW that you may not realize...the mines have finite resources. That is they will eventually run out of resource. To see this in action go into the editor, pick a planet and look at its resources. It will look something like this:

Steel 330928 45%

Your resource is steel, the total available on the planet is 330928, and the extraction rate is 45% (if I am reading the numbers correctly).

So in a way, you do need to keep building mines, because your current mines will play out eventually.

This was the case with the original game design but the AI, apparently, had issues with dealing with depleting resources so all resources were made infinite. The resource data is a hangover from these earlier times.

Elliot made a post about this a while ago.

If you're feeling like gaming the system all you have to do is have one resource of each type and park a miner on it with multiple extraction modules on them. So one Lead resource will provide for your entire empire and never run out. Like I said, though, it's gamey.

Finite resources (for the player only) would be interesting. It would make the game a lot more challenging. Probably best to make it an option setting though.

Cheers,
Lancer