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About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 1:40:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		When i want to attack an enemy tf with mine subs in it i had too choose with the escort its target at long range cap i got mine own sub.
What must i do? How does it work send mine subs to another counter?
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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:16:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am confused... Can you please repeat question, this time without mentioning confusing things like mine, sub and long range escort in the same sentence as I have no idea if you were asking about submarines carrying mines or air attack covered with long range cap?

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:17:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please explain to me how to attack an enemy tf with own subs also in that hex?

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:19:44 PM   
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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:24:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can't choose what or when your subs will attack; whether they attack a TF or not is dependent on how aggressive the commander is, and the number and quality of the escorts in that TF.  Also, you cannot attack a TF with mines at all; lay your mines in enemy ports and then the ships have a chance to hit them.  A sub has to be in a sub minelaying TF in order to carry and lay mines as well.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:30:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		You understand it better Lansdorf but i mean the task force(= the Japaneese tf and not the usa subs in it) thats gonna be attacked by divebombers.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:35:58 PM   
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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:40:40 PM   
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Here it is


The subs will auto attack, or they won't attack at all.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:42:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've got divebombers on the island Lihue wich cannot attack the enemy taskforce, the red one.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:49:56 PM   
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I've got divebombers on the island Lihue wich cannot attack the enemy taskforce, the red one.


Inexperienced pilots will not fly against a target unless they are escorted. You need fighter escort

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:51:31 PM   
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I've got divebombers on the island Lihue wich cannot attack the enemy taskforce, the red one.


This could be because a) they have no supply (red exclamation mark) b) the airfield is not big enough c) runway damage d) weather e) poor morale f) lots of other reasons.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:52:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		And i had to select the target with mine fighter planes at long range cap

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:54:25 PM   
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quote:

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I've got divebombers on the island Lihue wich cannot attack the enemy taskforce, the red one.


This could be because a) they have no supply (red exclamation mark) b) the airfield is not big enough c) runway damage d) weather e) poor morale f) lots of other reasons.

They have a red exclamation mark so thats the problem, thank you.
ps
am i right that this could be?

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 3:59:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		You cannot select specific ships or Task Forces as targets for airplanes.
You can select a friendly target (ships, bases) to be defended by long range CAP.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 4:03:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a picture of it i hope this may help becausse i dont understand it.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 4:23:51 PM   
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when i seslect the hex it doesnt work becausse of the red"'!"


You cannot select a specific ship, Task Force or Hex as a target for NAVAL attack.
You CAN select a specific Task Force or a land based Hex as a target for Long Range CAP - meaning to protect your own forces from the enemy
(CAP stands for Combat Air Patrol and means fighters protecting your own airplanes or ships from enemy aircraft. CAP does not attack enemy ships).

The red exclamation mark (as in your picture) has nothing to do with both of the rules above.
The exclamation mark probably wants to tell you that there is a serious lack of supplies at the base.
But even if there were enough supplies, you still can't assign a specific ship, TF or hex to NAVAL attack.

If you're still not convinced () try this: set Naval Attack as primary mission and Rest as secondary. You will see that target selection is greyed out and reads: Target:none - Cannot Select Target.

EDIT: Please do not hesitate to ask if still not clear. It is vital you understand this.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 4:26:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok that do you also see on the attatchment.
Thank you.

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now i get this - 9/18/2010 4:33:46 PM   
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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 4:34:10 PM   
Rainer

 

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Status: offline 		You mean the message about LR CAP? Right.
Which also teaches us that LR CAP obviously cannot protect sub marines (the two you have in that hex).
I didn't know that, but makes sense I guess.

I hope those two subs will get the enemy TF after all.
Good hunting and good luck

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 4:36:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		But Rainer i cant attack that taskforce with divebombers? Could this be of the red "!"

i gonna eat them.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 4:57:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rainer

You cannot select specific ships or Task Forces as targets for airplanes.
You can select a friendly target (ships, bases) to be defended by long range CAP.

This have i done and it works, thanx.
But pitty i cant attck the CV with mine bombers.
Thanx again.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 5:01:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the Task Force will be attacked is decided by the program.
This is based on a variety of factors:
- there must be enough supply at the base (meaning the airplanes have enough gasoline and ammunition)
- there must be a group assigned to Naval Attack
- the group must be able to reach the target
- the target had been identified so the group has a chance to find the target
- the group is skilled enough to navigate to the target
- the commander is aggressive enough and the group is skilled enough to attack that target
- if the commander is not extremely aggressive fighter protection will be required or the group will not fly
- the group is not too tired from missions before
- the weather must be OK (they can't attack targets they don't see)
and a lot (really: a LOT) of other factors, like enough planes in the group and enough pilots in the group.
And even if the group attacks the target it still does not mean they will damage the target.

In other words:
make sure your bombers, pilots and commanders are well trained, are in good shape, the base is well supplied, there is some sort of Naval Search to discover the enemy.
THEN and ONLY THEN your air groups will attack the target.
The good news: they will attack ANY target in range if the above requirements are met. You do NOT have to set a target, and you can't.




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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 6:23:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Everything which Rainer has listed in post #22 is correct. However the specific answer in this instance, which makes Rainer's post irrelevant for this particular situation, is found in post #11. The OP is simply trying to fly an offensive mission out of an airfield which is below level 2. He needs a level2 airfield, which Lihue is not unless he has built it up, a task I rather suspect he has not undertaken.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 6:58:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whatever the size of the airfield: it is not possible to assign a specific target to a NAVAL mission. And that IS relevant.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 7:46:07 PM   
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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 8:10:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		No enemy TF in range ? . But to be serious - here comes lot of things for consideration - 1. morale of sqadron - if it is low, then bombers will not fly (or turn back if they find enemy CAP without attacking) 2. leader skills - if they are low, it will decreasing chance that wing will carry naval attack 3. weather - if it is bad, it can cancel starting of mission, or if is target covered by clouds, here is chance that airstike will not find target 4. group exp - if it low, its decreasing chance of finding target/flyimng due to bad weather.

Adnm one hitv - if you want to carry naval attack, try to have as much avaivable planes for it as you can, not only because more planeds in attack increase posible damage :).
So, I allways set train to 10 and rest (if fatigued) or search to 10 (to incease chance of finding enemy TF).

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 8:14:10 PM   
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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 8:43:31 PM   
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Why cant attack even from Pearl Harbour, what's the problem?
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This particular dive bomber group is set to Naval Search mission and not Naval Attack mission, so they will not attack. There may be additional reasons, of course, like needing escort, but without being set to Naval Attack mission they will not attack an enemy TF. Also, any percentage you have set to Train or Search under the Patrol levels section will not participate in an attack.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 8:57:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		USSA AMERICA when i had this group in naval attack they wouldnt attack also.

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RE: About attacking a enemy tf? - 9/18/2010 9:42:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I click on naval attack primarly and secondary rest. They just wont select target. You see it here for Lihue but for Pearl Harbour is the same.




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