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Rare actions - 9/19/2010 6:37:41 AM   
Cmdrcain


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Hummm apparently you can have own ships blow up by accident


*Mine detonates close aboard ACM Oak at Brisbane*


Risky business, servicing mines..


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Sub vs Sub: SS Grampus attacking SS RO-65 at 99,133 - near Milne Bay

Japanese Ships
SS RO-65

Allied Ships
SS Grampus



SS Grampus launches 6 torpedoes at 2,000 yards


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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 1:37:03 PM   
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Been of the receiving end of both messages.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 2:15:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been fortunate in my game against the allies I've sank more submarines from japanese subs then I have with ASW or aircraft...

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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 3:19:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Misconduct

I've been fortunate in my game against the allies I've sank more submarines from japanese subs then I have with ASW or aircraft...


Yes, I have noticed that Japanese subs make a good ASW platform. Maybe they are Dallas class attack subs in disguise?

I have lost many ACMs to mine accidents. Cost of doing business.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 3:47:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if an aggressive commander increases the chances of accidents occurring? These events definitely add flavor and a little more "fun" to the game.

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xAK Toho Maru hits reef at 132 , 115


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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 4:56:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cmdrcain

Had a couple rare actions:

Hummm apparently you can have own ships blow up by accident


One word---Mutsu.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 5:08:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vonTirpitz

I wonder if an aggressive commander increases the chances of accidents occurring? These events definitely add flavor and a little more "fun" to the game.

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xAK Toho Maru hits reef at 132 , 115


I've gotten a variety of most of these messages. In this one, I think incompetent boobery rates higher than aggression for likelihood of running aground.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 5:43:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my game with Q-Ball, Tokyo Rose recently announced that the "ever victorious Japanese navy" had met the Allied navy in combat, sinking four carriers, two battleships, three cruisers, and so on.

What actually happened was that a damaged Allied xAKL stumbled into the KB's hex and got sunk for it's trouble.

That's dadgum good work by the developers.


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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 10:40:48 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 22, 41
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Sub attack near Pearl Harbor at 186,96

Japanese Ships
SS I-171

Allied Ships
CA Indianapolis, Torpedo hits 2e
DD Allen



SS I-171 launches 4 torpedoes at CA Indianapolis
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Sub attack near Pearl Harbor at 181,105

Japanese Ships
SS I-4

Allied Ships
CA Indianapolis, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Allen



SS I-4 launches 4 torpedoes at CA Indianapolis
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Allen attacking submerged sub ....
DD Allen cannot reach attack position over SS I-4
SS I-4 eludes ASW attack from DD Allen
DD Allen loses contact with SS I-4
DD Allen cannot establish contact with SS I-4
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Pearl Harbor at 184,100

Japanese Ships
SS I-9

Allied Ships
CA Indianapolis, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Allen



SS I-9 launches 2 torpedoes at CA Indianapolis
I-9 diving deep ....
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Allen fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 10:46:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: vonTirpitz

I wonder if an aggressive commander increases the chances of accidents occurring? These events definitely add flavor and a little more "fun" to the game.

quote:

xAK Toho Maru hits reef at 132 , 115


I've gotten a variety of most of these messages. In this one, I think incompetent boobery rates higher than aggression for likelihood of running aground.




Carrier blows up and sinks after one torpedo hit! Emily's torpedo and sink US battleship and cripple another?

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RE: Rare actions - 9/19/2010 10:47:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In my game with Q-Ball, Tokyo Rose recently announced that the "ever victorious Japanese navy" had met the Allied navy in combat, sinking four carriers, two battleships, three cruisers, and so on.

What actually happened was that a damaged Allied xAKL stumbled into the KB's hex and got sunk for it's trouble.

That's dadgum good work by the developers.





It's what you call "Spin". That's what a PAO (Public affairs officer) does.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 12:01:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: vonTirpitz

I wonder if an aggressive commander increases the chances of accidents occurring? These events definitely add flavor and a little more "fun" to the game.

quote:

xAK Toho Maru hits reef at 132 , 115


I've gotten a variety of most of these messages. In this one, I think incompetent boobery rates higher than aggression for likelihood of running aground.


Even competant skippers run aground when the charts are poop. Reading of the US side, early in the war, using high school geography books from US public schools to plan operations is off in la-la land. But it happened.

It's easy to forget, in our HS-students-jet-off-to-Europe-for-the-long-weekend culture just how small the world was to the average person in the 1930s. And how little the military thought about anything but glorious fleet actions in deep, open water.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 3:50:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have lost six Allied subs to Japanese subs while killing two with my own subs. So far it the subs have been his most effecive ASW weapon. Makes sense, in the real war highly skill Japanese sub crews using the latest radar technology had tremendous sucess locating and hunting down Allied subs which were notoriously noisy and had no radar....Oh wait a minute, the Japanese subs did not "actually" have radar, did they? Why this must be is another Jafantasy...

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 1:22:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had an Allied sub sunk by an IJN sub, and sank two of their's the same way.

Also seen "something is caught in the net" at several ports, usually when a midget sub attacks.  Lost an AS at Townsville this weekend that way.

I've seen ships collide while trying to get underway when my TF's raid a port.  Once saw a CA ram a DD in the middle of a close-in melee, fortunately it was the AI's not mine.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 2:19:44 PM   
Misconduct


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ORIGINAL: John Lansford

I had an Allied sub sunk by an IJN sub, and sank two of their's the same way.

Also seen "something is caught in the net" at several ports, usually when a midget sub attacks.  Lost an AS at Townsville this weekend that way.

I've seen ships collide while trying to get underway when my TF's raid a port.  Once saw a CA ram a DD in the middle of a close-in melee, fortunately it was the AI's not mine.


I noticed when you have more ships in a TF chances seem to rise on this, for example I had about 4 CL's and a CA with 4 DD's attack a group of 8 transports (allies AI) and ended up having 2 of my DD's ram a CL however hardly any damage was taken.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 3:28:16 PM   
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I had two DD's collide in a surface action. Huge damage, 90 float and some high number of engine damage. Luckily, 0 system damage. It limped back from Ambon to Darwin at 2 hexes a turn (mean while some of the other ships damaged by the surface action were sunk by ms Betty). Patched up accumulated sys damage from the long return, brought down minor float, and is limping to Perth still with high 60s float.

Man, 0 sys damage with allied damage control on and you can survive a real bad scene. 0 fires helped too I guess.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 3:53:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In my game with Q-Ball, Tokyo Rose recently announced that the "ever victorious Japanese navy" had met the Allied navy in combat, sinking four carriers, two battleships, three cruisers, and so on.

What actually happened was that a damaged Allied xAKL stumbled into the KB's hex and got sunk for it's trouble.

That's dadgum good work by the developers.




That is a typical Yankee Dog trick to question the veracity of Tokyo Radio, and you are just spouting colonialist propoganda.

We are sending the crew of that xAKL to a re-education camp on the Burmese border to work on a little project we have planned......

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 3:59:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John Lansford

I had an Allied sub sunk by an IJN sub, and sank two of their's the same way.

Also seen "something is caught in the net" at several ports, usually when a midget sub attacks.  Lost an AS at Townsville this weekend that way.

I've seen ships collide while trying to get underway when my TF's raid a port.  Once saw a CA ram a DD in the middle of a close-in melee, fortunately it was the AI's not mine.


Against the AI I've actually lost more ships to mines than ASW forces. Granted sending the mine capable I-Boats to mine Victoria, BC was probably a bad idea from the start.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 4:24:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: vonTirpitz

I wonder if an aggressive commander increases the chances of accidents occurring? These events definitely add flavor and a little more "fun" to the game.

quote:

xAK Toho Maru hits reef at 132 , 115


I've gotten a variety of most of these messages. In this one, I think incompetent boobery rates higher than aggression for likelihood of running aground.


Even competant skippers run aground when the charts are poop. Reading of the US side, early in the war, using high school geography books from US public schools to plan operations is off in la-la land. But it happened.

It's easy to forget, in our HS-students-jet-off-to-Europe-for-the-long-weekend culture just how small the world was to the average person in the 1930s. And how little the military thought about anything but glorious fleet actions in deep, open water.

Hi Bullwinkle,

IRL, I agree with your statement.

In the game, it seems as though-when I open up the turn with "xAKL Goofbarr Maru" running aground, I find the various nautical skills of the captain 'wanting'. I would venture that this has as much as anything to do with running aground.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 4:28:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		In one of my PBEM turns recently, I got the messsage that an airman had been 'found'.  I've 'lost' all sorts of airmen, but this guy must have been reported as lost and made his way back to friendly lines evading capture.  Wow!  Love the realism...

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 4:28:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: vonTirpitz

I wonder if an aggressive commander increases the chances of accidents occurring? These events definitely add flavor and a little more "fun" to the game.

quote:

xAK Toho Maru hits reef at 132 , 115


I've gotten a variety of most of these messages. In this one, I think incompetent boobery rates higher than aggression for likelihood of running aground.


Even competant skippers run aground when the charts are poop. Reading of the US side, early in the war, using high school geography books from US public schools to plan operations is off in la-la land. But it happened.

It's easy to forget, in our HS-students-jet-off-to-Europe-for-the-long-weekend culture just how small the world was to the average person in the 1930s. And how little the military thought about anything but glorious fleet actions in deep, open water.

Hi Bullwinkle,

IRL, I agree with your statement.

In the game, it seems as though-when I open up the turn with "xAKL Goofbarr Maru" running aground, I find the various nautical skills of the captain 'wanting'. I would venture that this has as much as anything to do with running aground.


Only 'Goofbarr Maru'?

I tend to have 'Blind Leading the Blind Maru, Pratfall Maru, Two left Feet Maru, and the DD Clumsygumo.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 6:49:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		IRL, an American TBF ditched at sea and its' "fish" armed, took off, and hit the DD Porter, eventually sinking her..

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 6:52:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In my game with Q-Ball, Tokyo Rose recently announced that the "ever victorious Japanese navy" had met the Allied navy in combat, sinking four carriers, two battleships, three cruisers, and so on.

What actually happened was that a damaged Allied xAKL stumbled into the KB's hex and got sunk for it's trouble.

That's dadgum good work by the developers.




That is a typical Yankee Dog trick to question the veracity of Tokyo Radio, and you are just spouting colonialist propoganda.

We are sending the crew of that xAKL to a re-education camp on the Burmese border to work on a little project we have planned......


You know even worst, I ran the KB from Truk around Moresby to help out in my Java invasion, only to see 15 single AKL's limping away from Java - naturally I get the Tokyo Radio broadcast every 15 seconds which is highly annoying.

I am learning to use the ESC key to speed up the process so Tokyo Rose can give it a rest until I actually SINK something higher then a destroyer.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 8:37:31 PM   
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Hi Bullwinkle,

IRL, I agree with your statement.

In the game, it seems as though-when I open up the turn with "xAKL Goofbarr Maru" running aground, I find the various nautical skills of the captain 'wanting'. I would venture that this has as much as anything to do with running aground.


Darn math . . .

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RE: Rare actions - 9/20/2010 9:11:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Submarines with bigger towers should be more vulnerable to other submarines since would be detected earlier.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/21/2010 12:25:09 AM   
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Submarines with bigger towers should be more vulnerable to other submarines since would be detected earlier.


That sounds almost anthropological . . .

USN experience very early was that the pre-war, "pretty" conning towers were detection magnets. After the very first war patrols PH commenced tearing off all sorts of fairwaters, plating, guards, railings, and assorted gingerbread. The goal was to let light pass through as much as possible consistent with not getting people killed, or otherwise hurt or drowned. Ned Beach goes into this quite a bit in "Run Silent, Run Deep." Pretty soon word got back to the building yards to knock it off, and boats arrived for war patrols already chopped down to the bare minimums.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/21/2010 3:23:04 PM   
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Carrier blows up and sinks after one torpedo hit!



Pretty sure sure I saw that one, opsec forbids my opponent from confirming, but CV Soryu got torpedoed by the Dutch O19, **AMMO STORAGE EXPLOSION**, 90 dead aircraft in the intel screen, no sign of Soryu leaving the area.

About the one piece of luck in naval combat I've had I think in the entire game!

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RE: Rare actions - 9/21/2010 8:36:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EUBanana


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
Carrier blows up and sinks after one torpedo hit!



Pretty sure sure I saw that one, opsec forbids my opponent from confirming, but CV Soryu got torpedoed by the Dutch O19, **AMMO STORAGE EXPLOSION**, 90 dead aircraft in the intel screen, no sign of Soryu leaving the area.

About the one piece of luck in naval combat I've had I think in the entire game!


Seen it happen with a magazine explosion. No ship is immune, and no ship can survive it (at least in game). Carriers have the additional problem of fuel and ammo (bomb) stowage on board.

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RE: Rare actions - 9/24/2010 6:59:27 PM   
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RE: Rare actions - 9/24/2010 8:06:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

In one of my PBEM turns recently, I got the messsage that an airman had been 'found'.  I've 'lost' all sorts of airmen, but this guy must have been reported as lost and made his way back to friendly lines evading capture.  Wow!  Love the realism...


So far I have found around 10 pilots who were MIA (check your ops report!) and we are in oktober 1942 now. It is a nice feature!

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