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Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 3:54:30 AM

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I tested reinforcement activation three times in New Zealand, once on South Island, once on North, once on South in a non-base hex. I did not know if there was any defined trigger line, so I picked the two bases farthest south and north.

Note: the test run was done with a save game from the Tasmania test. This means that the Oz reinforcements had already been activated and were in the Allied OOB at the time of the New Zealand test. If New Zealand activated, this would, in addition to revealing the New Zealand process and units, indicate that multiple emergency activations are possible on the same map in a single game, should the Japanese player pass multiple trigger lines.

Methodology--Test One:

1) Sailed the Tasmania amphib TF to South Island with orders to unload and attack Invercargill.

2) Upon unloading, before the base fell, the New Zealand reinforcements activated on the Allied phase.

3) The Ops Report print-out confirmed that it does not print in chronological sequence. IOW, the announcement of the activation is separated from the LCU descriptors by other, routine leader, ship, and LCU activations happening on schedule from the normal arrival queues.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 08, 42--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pre-Invasion action off Invercargill

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAK Fukko Maru
xAP Naminoue Maru
AO Tsurumi

xAK Fukko Maru fired at enemy troops
xAP Naminoue Maru fired at enemy troops
xAK Fukko Maru fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Amphibious Assault at Invercargill

TF 13 troops unloading over beach at Invercargill, 102,194

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

70mm T92 Howitzer lost from landing craft during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /1
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /2
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Invasion Support action off Invercargill

1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAK Fukko Maru
xAP Naminoue Maru
AO Tsurumi

xAK Fukko Maru fired at enemy troops
xAP Naminoue Maru fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards
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Invasion Support action off Invercargill
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAK Fukko Maru
xAP Naminoue Maru

xAK Fukko Maru fired at enemy troops
xAP Naminoue Maru fired at enemy troops
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Invasion Support action off Invercargill
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAK Fukko Maru
xAP Naminoue Maru

xAK Fukko Maru fired at enemy troops
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OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Mar 08, 42
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Perth is reported empty
No additional repairs possible on DD Rathburne
using currently assigned resources at Los Angeles
No additional repairs possible on SS KXV
using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja
No additional repairs possible on DD Rathburne
using currently assigned resources at Los Angeles
No additional repairs possible on SS KXV
using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja
Ship Withdrawals: 2 overdue (40 Daily PP, 960 Accumulated PP)
Group Withdrawals:
30 overdue (322 Daily PP, 10665 Accumulated PP)
New Zealand invaded! Counter invasion forces released.Bateson, R.N. reassigned
DD Paladin arrives at Cape Town
DD Panther arrives at Cape Town
TK Ferncastle arrives at Abadan
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment arrives at San Francisco
249th Field Artillery Battalion arrives at San Francisco
2nd NZ Div Cav Regiment arrives at Aden
32nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Aden
2nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Canada
4th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
5th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
6th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
28th Maori Battalion arrives at Aden
51st Highland Division arrives at Cape Town
Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Cape Town

Methodology--Test Two:

1) Reloaded save from before the landing on South Island (Oz reinforcements already activated.)

2) Ordered TF to land and attack North Island base, Waipapakauri.

3) Same results, except Ops Report varied due to different routine queue unit arrivals. Same NZ LCU roster activated in same locations.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 14, 42 (Edited for brevity)
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Pre-Invasion action off Waipapakauri

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAK Fukko Maru
xAP Naminoue Maru
AO Tsurumi

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Mar 14, 42
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Perth is reported empty
No additional repairs possible on DD Rathburne
using currently assigned resources at Los Angeles
No additional repairs possible on SS KXV
using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Perth is reported empty
A-24 Banshee from 27th BG/17th BS is damaged on landing
No additional repairs possible on DD Rathburne
using currently assigned resources at Los Angeles
No additional repairs possible on SS KXV
using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja
Ship Withdrawals: 2 overdue (40 Daily PP, 1200 Accumulated PP)
Group Withdrawals:
13 due today (191 Daily PP) , 30 overdue (322 Daily PP, 12597 Accumulated PP)
Groups for today:
HK Flight FAA
No.59 Sqn RAF Det
HK Flight RAF
HK Flight RAF Det
27th BG/16th BS
27th BG/17th BS
27th BG/91st BS
3rd PS (P)
13rd PS (P)
17th PS (P)
20th PS (P)
33rd PS (P)
27th BG/Hq Sqn
New Zealand invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
Bateson, R.N. reassigned
CV Formidable arrives at Cape Town
DD Isaac Sweers arrives at Colombo
DD Arrow arrives at Aden
SS Grouper arrives at Balboa
ACM Bush arrives at Seattle
ACM Heath arrives at Los Angeles
2nd NZ Div Cav Regiment arrives at Aden
32nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Aden
2nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Canada
4th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
5th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
6th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
28th Maori Battalion arrives at Aden
51st Highland Division arrives at Cape Town
Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Cape Town

Methodology--Test 3:

1) Reloaded pre-South Island invasion save. Ordered landing at open terrain, non-base hex 102, 195.

2) As in Oz, this triggered emergency reinforcements.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 08, 42--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Amphibious Assault at 102,195

TF 13 troops unloading over beach at 102,195

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

70mm T92 Howitzer damaged beyond repair during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /1
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /2

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Mar 08, 42
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Perth is reported empty
No additional repairs possible on DD Rathburne
using currently assigned resources at Los Angeles
No additional repairs possible on SS KXV
using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja
Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Perth is reported empty
Coastwatcher sighting: 3 Japanese ships at 102,195 near Invercargill , Speed 3 , Moving East
Hurricane IIb Trop from K Sqn RAF is damaged on landing
No additional repairs possible on DD Rathburne
using currently assigned resources at Los Angeles
No additional repairs possible on SS KXV
using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja
Ship Withdrawals: 2 overdue (40 Daily PP, 960 Accumulated PP)
Group Withdrawals:
30 overdue (322 Daily PP, 10665 Accumulated PP)
New Zealand invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
Bateson, R.N. reassigned
DD Paladin arrives at Cape Town
DD Panther arrives at Cape Town
TK Ferncastle arrives at Abadan
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment arrives at San Francisco
249th Field Artillery Battalion arrives at San Francisco
2nd NZ Div Cav Regiment arrives at Aden
32nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Aden
2nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Canada
4th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
5th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
6th NZ Brigade arrives at Aden
28th Maori Battalion arrives at Aden
51st Highland Division arrives at Cape Town
Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Cape Town

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 3:57:39 AM

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Units in NZ emergency reinforcements:

1) 2nd NZ Div Cav Regiment

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:00:33 AM

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2) 32nd Army Tank Brigade

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:04:00 AM

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3) 2nd Army Tank Brigade (arrives in Canada)

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:05:21 AM

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4) 4th NZ Brigade

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:06:38 AM

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5) 5th NZ Brigade

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:08:02 AM

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6) 6th NZ Brigade

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:09:17 AM

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7) 28th Maori Battalion

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:10:40 AM

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8) 51st Highland Division

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:12:34 AM

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9) Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 4:13:52 AM

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Editorial Comment: Andy Mac likes the Kiwis! On a per square mile basis, these reinforcements are pretty stiff compared to what Oz gets, although some have a LONG way to travel to do any good for New Zealand.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 10:22:17 AM

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Editorial Comment: Andy Mac likes the Kiwis! On a per square mile basis, these reinforcements are pretty stiff compared to what Oz gets, although some have a LONG way to travel to do any good for New Zealand.

Yeah but you get 24 Vildebeests. Damn useful things

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 2:09:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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Editorial Comment: Andy Mac likes the Kiwis! On a per square mile basis, these reinforcements are pretty stiff compared to what Oz gets, although some have a LONG way to travel to do any good for New Zealand.

Yeah but you get 24 Vildebeests. Damn useful things

That makes my point even better!

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 9:54:02 PM

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I haven't kept up on the boards, but I'm surprised in these reinforcement threads you are starting no one has wondered why the units arrive in Aden/Canada instantly. Perhaps this is a limitation of the engine itself for this kind of triggering, but I would have thought a more elegant/accurate method would be to have a delayed arrival. The unit would arrive in Aden in X number of days, depending on roughly how far away from theater they are, with some time to extract battle units, etc..

This might have been covered and I just missed someone saying "oh yeah, it's an engine limit".

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 10:53:12 PM

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Was this test done after the Oz test? Meaning were the Oz forces already activated before this test? Would be interesting to see if any of those units activated if just NZ was invaded.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 10:58:27 PM

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I see the NZ Brigades can recombine, so I asume u get a full div, isn't ?

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 10:59:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: CV2

Was this test done after the Oz test? Meaning were the Oz forces already activated before this test? Would be interesting to see if any of those units activated if just NZ was invaded.

Yes, it was in the Note I put at the top. Probably should have bolded it. It was the Oz activation save game, rolled forward for transit time.

Each trigger has its own package of units. The Oz units only activate with the Oz trigger line, and the NZ units with any land hex in NZ. Each of them watches the other be invaded and does nothing.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/9/2010 11:01:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lomri

I haven't kept up on the boards, but I'm surprised in these reinforcement threads you are starting no one has wondered why the units arrive in Aden/Canada instantly. Perhaps this is a limitation of the engine itself for this kind of triggering, but I would have thought a more elegant/accurate method would be to have a delayed arrival. The unit would arrive in Aden in X number of days, depending on roughly how far away from theater they are, with some time to extract battle units, etc..

This might have been covered and I just missed someone saying "oh yeah, it's an engine limit".

I thought of that too and just chalked it up to a necesary abstraction. Then I thought about it and considered that if such an even occured in RL, it would not have been a surprise. Even without breaking the Japanese codes, signals intelligence especially traffic analysis was highly effective. This is one place where the game's Sigint function fails us. Both sides had a pretty good idea of the location of major units throughout the war. The Battles of Santa Cruz and Eastern Solomons were no accidents. Traffic analysis told both sides the opponent's carriers were at sea and where they were before they departed.

I view the instant arrival as merely the game representing preparations going on in the background as the threat grows. It is only when the actually event occurs that the players see what was going on behind the scenes all along. At least that is how I explain it

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/10/2010 9:17:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: CV2

Was this test done after the Oz test? Meaning were the Oz forces already activated before this test? Would be interesting to see if any of those units activated if just NZ was invaded.

The reinforcements can be checked in the editor as well, they're listed there in a separate section and as Bullwinkle said, it is shown quite clearly that the units are assigned to a single activation zone. It seems extremely unlikely that you get troops A for Oz, B for NZ, but A+B+C for Oz+Nz. These tests are mainly of interest to know where the activation zones are exactly.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/10/2010 10:48:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Each of them watches the other be invaded and does nothing.

I fail to see the issue with this. As long as it's New Zealand getting invaded....................

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/10/2010 3:31:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Itdepends

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Each of them watches the other be invaded and does nothing.

I fail to see the issue with this. As long as it's New Zealand getting invaded....................

Careful. "Politics" you know . . .

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/10/2010 3:36:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Itdepends

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Each of them watches the other be invaded and does nothing.

I fail to see the issue with this. As long as it's New Zealand getting invaded....................

Careful. "Politics" you know . . .

Nah, that's not politics. Wait till next year when the World Rugby Cup is played in New Zealand and everyone in the land of the long white cloud will be hoping that once again, the favourites (ie the All Blacks) are not eliminated by the Wallabies.

They will be very nervous already following the result in Hong Kong 2 weekends ago.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/10/2010 5:08:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Nah, that's not politics. Wait till next year when the World Rugby Cup is played in New Zealand and everyone in the land of the long white cloud will be hoping that once again, the favourites (ie the All Blacks) are not eliminated by the Wallabies. They will be very nervous already following the result in Hong Kong 2 weekends ago.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/10/2010 8:43:24 PM

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I can't believe your playing without using the insignia art mod!

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/10/2010 8:49:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Halsey

I can't believe your playing without using the insignia art mod!

It's been on my list of things to do, but I admit I haven't gotten there. I have sound mods, and pin-up mods, butI haven't done anything with units yet.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 11/10/2010 8:53:02 PM

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Hm, nice...so now I know what Al got when I invaded and captured his Home Islands

- Looks like it's a good deal for the Allies even if they loose some extra units that have been ferried in to stiffen the Home Island garrisons.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 2/7/2012 3:15:18 PM

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Obviously I"m a noob. How are the aircraft in the mobilization support group handled?

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 2/7/2012 3:32:45 PM

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Obviously I"m a noob. How are the aircraft in the mobilization support group handled?

Plain aircraft are added to the replacement pools, which can be quite a helpful boost. Air units 'arrive' somewhere just like normal.

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 8/15/2012 4:46:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

9) Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy

What exactly is this ship/unit?

What do I do with it?

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RE: Emergency Reinforcements--New Zealand - 8/15/2012 4:54:43 AM

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It is a convoy. You do nothing. In 3 days it will get disbanded and all of those devices you see listed will go to your pools for you to reinforce your units. Allied production is a bit 'hidden' as they get a lot of devices and aircraft via convoy.

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