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- 8/18/2002 3:24:48 PM   
AbsntMndedProf


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Status: offline 		When it comes to strange, I'll bet few other contenders can top out the Antonov KT flying tank!

http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/URantkt.html

Just goes to show that, when a country is not doing well on the battlefield, the Germans and Japanese didn't quite have the corner on unusual measures to try and turn the tide of battle.

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- 8/18/2002 4:00:39 PM   
AbsntMndedProf


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Status: offline 		And how about a P-51 x2?

http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/URmust.html

One pilot naps while the other flies! If they had joined three P-51s, they could have added a flight attendant. (Coffee, tea, or .50 cal?) :D :D

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- 8/18/2002 5:42:59 PM   
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- 8/18/2002 6:04:32 PM   
AbsntMndedProf


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Status: offline 		Strange birds weren't just the product of the air forces of WW II. Here is an unusual craft designed for use by u-boats:

http://www.uboat.net/technical/bachstelze.htm

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- 8/18/2002 10:01:39 PM   
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Hey! Thats a helicopter! hehe

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- 8/18/2002 11:05:31 PM   
Bing

 

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Status: offline 		The shot of the Swordfish over the carrier is a good one. Know what is peculiar about it though? Take a look at the carrier. Unless the negative has been reversed, the island is starboard side. That is extremely unusual.

The IJN had just one and it was a nightmare operating the vessel with carriers built the normal way, with the island on the port side. IIRC they operated them together as seldom as possible. Traffic patterns for landing were a mess, one group circling in one direction, another group circling in the opposite. Mid-air collisions, the whole nine yards.

Anyone know which Brit carrier is in the photo and if indeed it had a starboard island structure? Does this have anything to do with the British driving on the wrong side of the road?

Final Note: My God, an enclosed cockpit for the Stringbag? Where have the real men gone?

The much beloved Swordfish will always, always be one of my most favorite WW2 warplanes.

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- 8/18/2002 11:05:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm it's more like a gyrocopter? :p

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- 8/19/2002 1:03:43 AM   
Kanon Fodder

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by antarctic
[B]Interesting Thread.... I'll have to cast my vote for the Gotha 229.... a German version of a jet flying wing...... pictures of this plane are soooo rare... the only good one I've found is a screenshot from CFS3!....
Check it out here:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/interviews/cfs3/Gotha229_5.shtml

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I believe there was a photo of an incomplete Gotha 229 in the manual that came with SWOTL (Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe)

Have to do some digging to find it, though ...

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- 8/19/2002 1:36:08 AM   
Kaakao

 

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Status: offline 		Here's a pic of Gotha 229

[IMG]http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/Saksa/HO229A.JPG[/IMG]

Also, http://members.visi.net/~djohnson/luft46.html is a good page to visit if you're looking for strange planes.

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- 8/19/2002 2:00:49 AM   
Kaakao

 

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Status: offline 		Another strange plane, Bachem Ba-349 "Natter" or "Viper".

[IMG]http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/Saksa/Ba349.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/Saksa/ramp1.gif[/IMG]

Viper was a VTO plane and was built allmost complitely from wood and was very simple so that it could be built in large numbers. It was intended to be used as a fighter against allied bomberformations. After being launched vertically it had fuel for 10 minutes and could move as fast as 1000km/h (625mph). The armament was 24(!) 73mm air to air missiles, after firing the missiles the pilot would have opened the parachute to get the plane safely down and ready for another flight. There were 36 Vipers built and the germans had 10 of them ready to be launched but they had to be destroyed because the americans had moved allready just next to the launching area.

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- 8/19/2002 6:57:28 AM   
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[IMG]http://www.tgplanes.com/plimg/he162.jpg[/IMG]
The Me-163
[IMG]http://www.tgplanes.com/plimg/bf1631.jpg[/IMG]
The Caproni Campini CC2
[IMG]http://www.tgplanes.com/plimg/cc2-b.jpg[/IMG]

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- 8/19/2002 7:49:03 AM   
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hehe, look what they have holding up the rear of this plane!

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- 8/19/2002 8:21:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if that's because of bad landing gear design, or the fact that there's no weight on the front wheels?

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P-40 carrier service - 8/19/2002 11:17:33 AM   
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I saw a picture of the Wasp's crewmen clearing snow off her decks after ferrying P-40's to Iceland at the outbreak (or shortly before) of WWII for the US. I didn't hear of anything else other than that -please elaborate?

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- 8/19/2002 12:04:34 PM   
Bing

 

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Status: offline 		P-40's were loaded on carriers and carried to the Med for Torch. Originally it was planned to offload them, same as usual but the idea - I believe - was the lack of port facilities might slow up the transfer indefinitely. So the idea of flying P-40's off carriers to land bases was hatched.

Calling a P-40 "carrier operational" is a wild stretch of imagination, so it was strictly a one way deal. I am not sure how many squadrons were transferred to N. African land bases in this manner, going just from memory I think it was several, perhaps a fighter group. Neat sidebar to WW2 air ops.

Do you have a mental image of the average US Army P-40 pilot shooting a carrier deck landing? AFAIK the P-40's weren't equipped with hooks, so return to deck was out of question (requires special airframe mods to prevent aircraft from literally being pulled apart - of course beefed up landing gear is also necessary, the forces involved really are tremendous).

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- 8/19/2002 1:51:23 PM   
antarctic

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks Kaako.... luft 46 seems to be a real nice site...... and whilst I'm here..... how bout another vote for the V-1 missile??

Antarctic

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- 8/19/2002 2:18:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello all..
Bing, All British and American Aircraft Carriers have the Island on the Starboard side.
The Japanese actually built 2 carriers with the island on the port Side (Kaga and Soryu, or was that Akagi and Hiryu?)
The carrier in question is either Couragious or Glorious.
The German rotorcraft on the U-Boat is A Rotary Winged Kite, it derived it's lift by being towed by the U-boat, it was not capable of independant flight. It uses a Rotary wing, as that is easier to collapse down for Stowage.

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- 8/19/2002 10:47:19 PM   
Bing

 

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Status: offline 		You know what, I had the issue reversed, didn't I? The reason for that is watching movie footage of LANDINGS, which of course is looking aft, making it seem to be port rather than starboard.

One of these days a landlubber is going to get it correct, he really will. The basic idea is there however: Mixing carriers with starboard and port islands is nasty business. I do know IJN stopped doing it fairly early on, or did so only when tactical conditions forced it upon them.

Thanks for putting this straight.

Bing

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P-40 landing on a carrier? PLEASE! - 8/20/2002 7:47:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its not im-possible, just totally unbelievable! I was astounded to find out P-40's were taking off short deck carriers with thier weight...But the Time-Life pictures of the Wasp off of Iceland (crewmen clearing off a deck with a biplane on it) then another picture of the P-40 ON THE DECK with blades turning... convinced me.
Thanks for the update.
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- 8/20/2002 8:24:05 AM   
Hades

 

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Status: offline 		Have any of you heard or of pictures of a version of the Stuka where two passanger pods were attached onto the wings and could be dropped from low altt.

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- 8/20/2002 3:39:37 PM   
melcer

 

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Status: offline 		If you like 'pusher' planes you'd like the swedish Saab J21.
It went into service 1946 I believe. A jet engine version, J21R, was later made (1949 I believe)

[URL=http://www.flygvapenmuseum.nu/utstallning/j21a21.htm]www.flygvapenmuseum.nu/utstallning/j21a21.htm[/URL]

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- 8/20/2002 10:58:27 PM   
Kaakao

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hades
[B]Have any of you heard or of pictures of a version of the Stuka where two passanger pods were attached onto the wings and could be dropped from low altt. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well now that you asked :)

[IMG]http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/unrealimg/ju87.jpg[/IMG]

They were dropped from dives and both of them could carry two passangers.

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- 8/20/2002 11:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		P=47's were also ferried by aircraft carrier's,imagine taking off of a flight deck in one of those.The first manned flight for the Natter was a failure,the pilot was killed as was the pilot of the first He=162 salamander to be flown before luftwaffe officials and the press,in fact it was filmed and you can see the wing leading edge coming off in a series of frames taken at the time.

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- 8/21/2002 9:12:07 AM   
Hades

 

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- 8/23/2002 4:32:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		i remember seeing a flying bomb plane by germany or russia.It was a bomber loaded with a fighter attached on tope of it.looked alittle like the space shuttle on a 747.Anybody got the pic?

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- 8/23/2002 8:17:54 AM   
Hades

 

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Status: offline 		I dont have a pic on my computer but its either a Ju 88 or He 111

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- 8/23/2002 4:03:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by GYBLIN
[B]i remember seeing a flying bomb plane by germany or russia.It was a bomber loaded with a fighter attached on tope of it.looked alittle like the space shuttle on a 747.Anybody got the pic? [/B][/QUOTE]
That's the "Mistel", a 'composite' airplane. The fighter flew until in reached the target, then dropped the Ju88 full of TNT on it. If I'm not wrong (I'm writing basing on my memory :D ), Germans blown up some bridges on the easter front with this "secret weapon" ...

[IMG]http://www.tgplanes.com/plimg/mstl.jpg[/IMG]
From [URL=http://www.tgplanes.com]http://www.tgplanes.com[/URL]

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- 8/23/2002 10:10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		What were these guys smoking, and where can I get it? :D

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- 8/24/2002 6:59:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Update : they used the "Mistel" in 1944 on the Oder ... but with no results at all :D

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- 8/24/2002 9:54:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		From the U.S. side of strange comes the Hughes Flying Boat, better known as the Spruce Goose:

http://homepages.tesco.net/~paul.crossley/goose.htm

After pouring lots of $$$ into its development, the Spruce Goose only flew once, with Howard Hughes at the controls. The one flight was done to prove that the plane could indeed fly.

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