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Yet another newbie question - 12/12/2000 8:45:00 AM   
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Ivancito
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Status: offline 		I installed version 4.0 (still trying to DL all the patches) and tried it on the weekend. I'm an old SP1 player so I found myself more or less at home. I started the German long campaign (my favourite after the Sov one) and I found out something weird (a bug?) The only way I could get rid of the pesky Polish infantry is to have them rout and "disperse". I have caused in excess of 40 casualties (!) to some units but these &%$# infantry squads just keep on tickin'... Looking a bit more carefully at the squad icon, I could see it "wrapping around" at 7 men (i.e full squad has 15 figures, I destroy 8 and it shows 7 figures, next casualty "resets" it back to 15). I tried doing a scenario as the Poles to see how many men are there in a Polish squad and ended up with 10 men per squad. Is this a normal thing for the Poles to have infantry squads the size of a company or is the computer commander cloning new men from bits and pieces of their falling comrades? Am I misunderstanding the "casualty" numbers as in "not capable for combat for the rest of the scenario" when in fact it's something else? Any insight would be appreciated. BTW, I also started a Soviet campaign and the Finnish Ski Infantry behaves fine - it dies as it is supposed to

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- 12/12/2000 10:51:00 AM   
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Warhorse
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Status: offline 		Welcome, not sure if I understand correctly, but here goes The infantry icons have been modified to make it so you can't really 'count heads' as you're used to in other SP games, and also, the amount killed shown, is not always correct, FOW!! I kept the old infantry icons for my personal set, I like to count heads, well, just actually see the enemy squad deteriorate before my overwhelming fire superiority, heh, heh!! If you, or anyone else wants the old ones, feel free to private E-mail me, if there is too many e-mails, I may have to post them with the rest, but we'll see. Hope this helps? ------------------ Mike Amos Meine Ehre Heisst Treue

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- 12/12/2000 10:00:00 PM   
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Ivancito
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Status: offline 		I finally remembered to turn off Limited Intel (doh!) and now I can see the unit size. I'll try and get a screenshot of the "1 casualty (42)" messages I've been getting (or maybe even a saved game). BTW, I'll have to correct some bad habits from SP1. It appears that in SPWAW AFVs are pretty ineffective against infantry. The best infantry killer I've seen is, well, infantry . I guess I'll have to re-think my armour-heavy core!

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- 12/12/2000 11:00:00 PM   
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Gallo Rojo
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Status: offline 		Hola Ivancito!! Saludos desde el otro lado de la cordillera!! Encantado de encontrar un hispano parlante más en el tablón!! Por lo visto vos acabás de llegar, pero si revisás las páginas anteriores encontrarás un post denominado “Cuántos hispano parlantes hay jugando al Panteras de Acero Mundo en Guerra”: http://www.matrixgames.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002903.html ...donde podrás contar a todos los que somos (por sud américa tenemos otro chileno, un brasilero y tres argentinos, además hay MONTONES de españoles y algunos gringos muy pata que hablan castellano). Respuestas a tus preguntas: Independientemente de los muy buenos consejos del amigo Warhorse, creo que lo que te ocurre puede ser producto de un “bug” que había en la versión 4.0 (que es la que vos tenés. ¿no?). A mí me pasaba lo siguiente: diezmaba a una unidad de infantería (digamos que le dejaba 4 tipos). Después guardaba la partida y salía. Cuando la volvía a cargar...ops! ahí estaba la unidad diezmada con todos sus efectivos vivos otra vez (eso le pasaba también a mis propios escuadrones, así que podía ver el efecto sin necesidad de poner off el limited intel). Si miraba a los datos de la unidad (la mía) tenía un damage de por ejemplo 4, pero la unidad tenía todos sus efectivos (digamos 10 tipos). Repitiendo la operación he llegado a tener una unidad con damage 40 (es decir que había “muerto” unas cuatro veces) pero otra vez con todos sus soldados vivos y frescos. Hay dos soluciones para esto: 1- Bajarse la versión 4.4 (el bug está reparado en esa versión) 2- Cuando vas a guardar el juego y salir de la partida andá primero a PREFERECES y poné OFF la opición REDUCED SQUADS. Cuando vuelvas a abrir la partida los muertos estarán descansando en paz. Si te es muy problemático bajar el upgrade a la versión 4.4 (sé que hay algunos problemas con los liks) avisame y te mando un CD por correo (un amigo que también juega al SPWAW tiene una copiadora y puede hacerla). Cuando quieras nos jugamos una partida por e-mail. ------------------ No Pasarán!!

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- 12/12/2000 11:03:00 PM   
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Gallo Rojo
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Status: offline 		Do you speak Spanish? Don’t you, Ivancito? I had assumed that you’re an Spanish speaker since you’re in Chile... my apologies if you’re an English speaker living in south America... best regards

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- 12/12/2000 11:25:00 PM   
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Ivancito
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Originally posted by Gallo Rojo: Do you speak Spanish? Don’t you, Ivancito? I had assumed that you’re an Spanish speaker since you’re in Chile... my apologies if you’re an English speaker living in south America... best regards
Ningun problema Gracias por tu información. probablemente eso era lo que estaba pasando. Esta mañana apagué el computador con el 64% de la versión 4.4 completa ya bajada... Me queda una noche más Mientras tanto, voy a seguir disfrutando la versión 4.0. Una de las grandes razones por las que tuve problemas son mis malos hábitos de SP1 - mucho blindado y poca infantería. ¡Con tantos Polacos por matar, se me estaban acabando las municiones!

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- 12/13/2000 12:38:00 AM   
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Gallo Rojo
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Status: offline 		A tus ordenes. Por cualquier cosa que necesites no olvides que puedes poner un "post" en castellano y te lloverán respuestas. Saludos ------------------ No Pasarán!!

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- 12/13/2000 1:13:00 AM   
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lnp4668
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Status: offline 		I seems to recalled that there was a bug in the earlier 4.x version that if you load up a save game, the infantry icons shows the full number of men again.

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- 12/13/2000 2:15:00 AM   
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Originally posted by Ivancito: BTW, I'll have to correct some bad habits from SP1. It appears that in SPWAW AFVs are pretty ineffective against infantry. The best infantry killer I've seen is, well, infantry . I guess I'll have to re-think my armour-heavy core!
Yes, Infantry is now much more valuable than in earlier versions. Turn off the "Reduced Squads" option in the preferences menu. This used to cause a problem with casualties in infantry squads. Every time you save the game, the infantry squad will generate a new number of men, which could be higher than the healthy men. This was a bug in earlier versions. BA Evans

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- 12/13/2000 3:17:00 AM   
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molset
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Status: offline 		Hello Ivantico. As a response to your thoughts about AFV´s not being wery effective infantry killers. You can get better killing out of most AFV´s if their main armament is inactivated. That spares the crew a quality check for secondary arms (MG´S) and as a result the MG hit better. It also is more realistic. Just be shure to acivate main armament again if you soon expect to engage a tank. Best regards Molset "Jakki er ekki frakki nema sidur se"

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- 12/13/2000 3:18:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry for misspelling your name Ivancito! Molset.

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- 12/13/2000 7:17:00 AM   
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Cona
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Status: offline 		UN CHILENO ! ... YA NO ESTOY SOLO ! (bueno, hay caleta de hispanoamericanos ) Compadrito, lo cache al tiro cuando lei su sobrenombre, como no iba a ser un diminutivo ! La pregunta aca ya se la respondieron cristianos y paganos. Como ve, no necesita hablar en barbaro todo el tiempo. Tampoco en argentino . La comunidad hispanoamericana esta fuerte y saludable . Mandate un mailcito, cualquier cosa. Si no te baja bien la version 4.4, yo te la copio y te la envio, no hay problema. Feliz navidad a todos, Cona.

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- 12/13/2000 11:47:00 PM   
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Ivancito
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Status: offline 		To all/A todos: Thanks a lot for your help. I was amazed when I saw both the quantity and quality of the replies. This has to be one of the best on-line communities I've ever had the pleasure of participating in. To all the people that helped with the v.4.0 and "Reduced Squads" bug: Thanks. I'll try it out as soon as I get home. I still have quite a few MB of v.4.4 to download. To molset: Thanks for the tip! I didn't even know I could do that until last night - "Manuals are for wussies" is my motto - so I'm certainly going to try it out. I did notice PzKw Ib's and Psw 221's are a lot more efficient at mowing down the grunts than a PzKw IIIe... A Cona: En realidad no soy Chileno (soy Yugoslavo) pero llevo ya 8 años por estos pagos. Se puede decir que ya estoy "domesticado" Hablando de Chile, no ví mucho interés en juegos de guerra. ¿Conoces alguna página Web Chilena dedicada a este tipo de juegos?

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- 12/15/2000 10:29:00 AM   
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Cona
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Originally posted by Ivancito: A Cona: En realidad no soy Chileno (soy Yugoslavo) pero llevo ya 8 años por estos pagos. Se puede decir que ya estoy "domesticado"
Buuuh ... que decepcion ! ... pero aun asi, las ofertas siguen en pie. Yo soy de los que quieren al amigo cuando es forastero. Y mejor si ya esta avecindado.
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Originally posted by Ivancito: Hablando de Chile, no ví mucho interés en juegos de guerra. ¿Conoces alguna página Web Chilena dedicada a este tipo de juegos?
Ninguna. No solo no he visto paginas Web dedicadas a este tema (quizas algun dia yo mismo haga una) sino que no conozco chilenos interesados en los juegos de guerra (a duras penas se interesan en los RPG). Feliz Navidad a todos, Cona.

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