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Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/22/2010 10:21:39 AM   
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I'm in a PBEM GC and playing commonwealth and china, My question is about supply and china.

I'm happy with 90% of the game mechanics but ground supply leaves me utterly confused , on an island i can figure it out , mainland ?? nope.

1) Lots of disabled and ok squads, which uses more supply ?

2) what are the requirements for repairing squads ? 20k at a base ? adequate support ?

As china i certainly dont expect to repair everythinh in 6 months and i have done the following to keep supply levels as good as possible.

a) all non combat units on rest
b) no units are accepting new recruits (bar one corps in burma (bought out with PP's))
c) The AVG flies to and from India for replacement planes
d) despite the above Japan is bombarding in 6 hexes with medium to huge stacks and it must be hurting my supply as i automatically fire back (wish i could stop that).
e) Entire chinese airforce is in india on training duty. (all bought out with PP's again)
f) fort construction , i did over do this early on but now i stop at leval 3 for most places where i will fight but i'm still building up front line hexes and Sian as far as i can go. 4 seems reachable but i'll only go as far as 5 or 6 in changsha and Sian. Its now 4/42 and i've stopped most fort building now and no other construction is going on. I did build up 2 level 4 airfields in transport range of Ledo early on though.

China's not in a bad way yet but it's heading that way , how to stop the rot ?

I'm sure i had more to ask the community but it's early and brain functions are sub optimal after only one coffee

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/22/2010 10:42:52 AM   
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Good questions Rob!

I can only answer 2) rest for the strategy pros out there.
You don´t need 20k, 3 days supply (no yellow !) should be enough and the more support the better I think. Even if you already got "sufficient"

PS: I think repairing them behind the frontlines close to an LI/HI center is cheaper because the supply does not have to be moved around.


And I got a follow up question for the IJA China experten: Does a Japanese offensive there on a larger scale with a couple of fronts and heavy air support
strain supply or are industry centers such as Shanghai or Hong Kong sufficient to keep the Japanese army up, running, and happy?

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/22/2010 6:18:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

And I got a follow up question for the IJA China experten: Does a Japanese offensive there on a larger scale with a couple of fronts and heavy air support
strain supply or are industry centers such as Shanghai or Hong Kong sufficient to keep the Japanese army up, running, and happy?

Yes, you need regular supply runs into China to keep everything topped up.

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/22/2010 7:04:51 PM   
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These answers is as far as i understand it and what experience has led me to believe.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Hi all

I'm in a PBEM GC and playing commonwealth and china, My question is about supply and china.

I'm happy with 90% of the game mechanics but ground supply leaves me utterly confused , on an island i can figure it out , mainland ?? nope.

1) Lots of disabled and ok squads, which uses more supply ?


Ok squads use more than disabled squads, but it cost supply to revert it too ok status. So that process in it self use supply.
Also accpeting replacement costs the load cost of teh device in supply.

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2) what are the requirements for repairing squads ? 20k at a base ? adequate support ?


It isnt as easy as that. There are a few more things that goes into it. First off luck! aka rolls.
Ofc u need supply(see above answer) and adaquate support helps, but leader skillz(apparently of HQ too), exp and moral of unit counts heavily into it too.
Since u ask specificly about China. The chinease units have among the lowest moral and exp so that playes very heavily into why unit takes as long as they do to regain disabled devices. Along with bad leaders. Some of this can be "rectified", but well chinease prolly never will be elite, espcially their leaders will always lack. Just a fact. Gota learn to live/deal with it.

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a) all non combat units on rest


Just keep it up they will slowly help plus u get moral up which helps too. Problem is that exp and leader nearly always is below par. Some times the japs will help you by "training" ur units tho. In one of my pbem games I have an full army of 55+ exp chinese and they notably better at regaining diabled squads.

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b) no units are accepting new recruits (bar one corps in burma (bought out with PP's))


No need IMHO i accept replacement with good results and at leased those arrive in ok status :-)

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c) The AVG flies to and from India for replacement planes


2 things that counts into that. What HQ is the airunit attached too. Cuz if its in range of the AirHQ its easier supply wise
to upgrade/accept replacement. Might be to late now, but my advice starting out is have supply req so that u always have 20k+ supply in Chungking. That will help alot. Cuz its one of the requirements for accepting replacement/upgrade able.
A level 7 AF with 20k+ supply ALWAYS should let u do both. So next advice is build up the airfield in Chungking to 7 and have the 20k+ supply. That way u should avoid having to use PPs to move the units to india, by having a spot u can upgrade and replace in. Know its a bit late in ur current game.
All that said, with the 20k supply and the AirHQ in Chungking if the squadrons are attached to that, most times u can do with out a level 7 AF and live with a level 4/5 AF.

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d) despite the above Japan is bombarding in 6 hexes with medium to huge stacks and it must be hurting my supply as i automatically fire back (wish i could stop that).


Well this sorta thing is a petpeeve of mine. If japs are smart/gamey u can via bombardment air and land up the supply useage of the chinease to the point where u drain the chinese of supply to a degree where its higher than what is produced. A work around of the old strategic bombardment of factories sorta ploy IMHO. It does have to be done smartly tho but its possible. Sorta a all or nothing deal tho cuz the bombardment will train the chinease to a certain level.
So ones shouldnt necesarrily do it, unless u sure u do it all out and on enough units to go over the breaking point supply wise.

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e) Entire chinese airforce is in india on training duty. (all bought out with PP's again)


Apart from the added security it really isnt needed. "Misuse" of PP IMHO, but thats just my opinon. As per above methode u can a accept replacement and upgrades. Also u apparently tho it doesnt seem to be 100% need around 10k supply at a base for airunits to train optimumly.
This can be seen by that units on bases with less than around 7-10k+ supply doesnt gain as much fatigue on pilots, meaning they dont fly training mission as often, but mostly do "school" training. Which is less than optimum.

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f) fort construction , i did over do this early on but now i stop at leval 3 for most places where i will fight but i'm still building up front line hexes and Sian as far as i can go. 4 seems reachable but i'll only go as far as 5 or 6 in changsha and Sian. Its now 4/42 and i've stopped most fort building now and no other construction is going on. I did build up 2 level 4 airfields in transport range of Ledo early on though.


Well with out knowing how the war is faring its hard to give good advice. I'd say it has merit depending on the situasion, both stopping at 3 and in some cases going above.

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China's not in a bad way yet but it's heading that way , how to stop the rot ?


Defend in rough terrain outside bases. Thats the number 1 advice to hold China if possible.


Hope it helps,

Rasmus

< Message edited by Walloc -- 11/22/2010 7:43:21 PM >

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/22/2010 8:10:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

d) despite the above Japan is bombarding in 6 hexes with medium to huge stacks and it must be hurting my supply as i automatically fire back (wish i could stop that).


To conserve supply and prevent "tube" losses from Japanese artillery "bombardment attack", place units on Reserve Operations Mode. See pages 185-186 of the manual.

Alfred

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/22/2010 8:31:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

d) despite the above Japan is bombarding in 6 hexes with medium to huge stacks and it must be hurting my supply as i automatically fire back (wish i could stop that).


To conserve supply and prevent "tube" losses from Japanese artillery "bombardment attack", place units on Reserve Operations Mode. See pages 185-186 of the manual.

Alfred



If you do this, don't the units have to pass a leadership check to revert to combat mode? If the Japanese launch a regular/shock attack & if a significant number of the Chinese units fail a leadership check; this stack of units could be in for a world of hurt.

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/22/2010 8:45:41 PM   
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Only becomes an issue if the Japanese switch over from "bombardment attack" to either "deliberate" or "shock" attack and would have 2:1 odds in their favour. That situation is not put by OP.

Alfred

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/23/2010 5:33:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jones944


quote:

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

And I got a follow up question for the IJA China experten: Does a Japanese offensive there on a larger scale with a couple of fronts and heavy air support
strain supply or are industry centers such as Shanghai or Hong Kong sufficient to keep the Japanese army up, running, and happy?

Yes, you need regular supply runs into China to keep everything topped up.


Supply to Hong Kong is more of a need than Shanghai. Also be sure to watch your industry in China. Some areas need resources brought in to make sure all the LI/HI is running and cranking out supplies.

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/23/2010 9:29:06 AM   
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Thank you for the responses guys!

This informaiton is very helpful indeed.

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/24/2010 8:40:10 PM   
Rob Brennan UK


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Many thanks
quote:


Only becomes an issue if the Japanese switch over from "bombardment attack" to either "deliberate" or "shock" attack and would have 2:1 odds in their favour. That situation is not put by OP.

Alfred


Alfred - sage words as ever , Japan isn't imo about to get 2-1 anywhere (bar maybe one place) so i'll put a % of troops based on relative AV on reserve and see what happens.

Slightly midleading on my OP where i stated all Non-comabt units on rest , I was referring to non combat hexes. the eng and BF units are on combat , and rest is used to try and get chinese exp up as was advised (been done).

I'll have a look at the areas where i am under attack and check the exp levels of the troops , the chinese have won the occasional battle and only really had 1-2 bar retreats all game so we are in good shape overall. This bombard/overload the chinese supply trick might be what our opponent has in mind, reserve status should help this enormously and all the while hes giving us training and using up his supply in droves.

Rasmus :-

Thanks for the point by point advice , Chinese cities do seem to be bereft of corner shops and rial cars stop and unload 40 miles away from them . Id love to defend only on non cith haxes but that isnt always possible. with hindsight i could have saved a fair bit of fort buildng and just defended a few hexes away from where i am now , I'm loathe to move out of level 4 forts on a mountain however bad the supply seems .

Thanks all

Me

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RE: Ground supply system. No Offenceman pls - 11/24/2010 9:07:34 PM   
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2) what are the requirements for repairing squads ? 20k at a base ? adequate support ?




LCU can repair squads even when there serious lack of supplies. One of mine IJA division is resting at a dot hex that have only 20 supply points, and the unit have only about 1/3 of needed supplies. I've been tracking unit's assault value. When I started AV was 353, now 19 days later AV is 377.

For a comparision, other division is resting at small base that have plenty of supplies. 19 days ago assault value was 344, now it's 427. So supplies help a lot.

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