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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 4:23:06 PM

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July 28-August 5, 1942:

I had snapped off a bunch of turns, not a ton is happening that is imminent, though I have a few things brewing....

Bombay: Dan re-established rail connection with Bombay, so I am moving again to cut that off, and turn that hexside RED. Mistake on my part. The rest of the hexsides are RED, and I need to keep them that way, because....

....I am leaving on 3 Divisions at Bombay, and moving everyone else East to keep the pressure up, toward Jalagon. I have no chance of forcing Bombay to surrender, and probably no chance ever, but I can at least pin a larger number of Allied troops, since attacking out of the hex is likely to fail.

INDIA: I have a couple other operations planned that don't involve triggering 6 divisions of reinforcements for the Allies.

So I am not going for it all in India. It is nearly impossible to cut-off India from the world, and thus nearly impossible to conquer. Too late I realized that taking SOCOTRA would have cut off all but reinforcement from ADEN, but I didn't realize that until recently, at which point it's too late. So major error on my part. It is also STILL unclear if taking it triggers reinforcement; I assume it does since it is a land hex on that side of the line, but maybe a Dev can clarify.

Even so, a conquest of Bombay is nearly impossible, so you can't kick the Allies out completely; they would maintain a bridgehead. There aren't enough points in India to win autovictory without destroying the entire Indian Army, which you can't do if they choose to barricade in Bombay/Karachi.

I would like to see someone else learn from my mistakes and try this against a good opponent. I don't regret taking CEYLON at all, since that destroyed 2 good divisions, but I do regret not taking SOCOTRA, and not moving earlier up the coast.

Oh well.......

Air Wars: Dan has gotten the better of me for a couple turns; I withdrew all my fighters to rest, and came back for sweeps over Bombay. We are still well over 1-1, so we'll keep it up.

ZEROS are worthless sweeping though. TOJOS are good, but I have also had good luck with the OSCAR. Not sure why it's better than the ZERO, but it is.

Production Update: We are in more than good shape production-wise, I almost wonder if I should really crank Naval production. I think I will.

We have almost 10 Mil. RESOURCES in the Home Islands (excl. Hokkaido). That is an enormous pile, I almost can't store more. We are shutting down convoys from China/Korea, which are now waiting for Resources. I was probably too aggressive pulling out Resources from China.

OIL is at 1 year's supply
FUEL is almost 4 Mil, about 300 days supply, excluding Naval usage

For the first time, I have a Tanker TF in the SRA waiting for FUEL or OIL to pickup. All the production centers are under 20K each for OIL or FUEL, except for Palembang, which is empty on OIL, and has 60K FUEL. So, we are definitely getting it to Japan.

HEAVY INDUSTRY was struggling to accumulate until I took India; now, I am running approx. 50K monthly surplus, thanks to the 450 HI I captured around Calcutta. I am not sure where the fuel is coming from other than LEDO, it must be pulling over the border from Burma and Magwe.

I have over 1200 trained PILOTS in the Reserve Pool at this point. I figure to need 5000 or so once I get Kamis; I plan to rain on Dan once that happens.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 4:36:18 PM

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Even though you've failed to seize all of India, you've done something nearly as good.

By going after India, you've made Allied naval power practically impotent in that theater of operations. No amount of ships is really going to help him dislodge you, it's going to take ground forces, lots of ground forces (speaking of Northern India and Burma here).

Canoe will have a long and hard fight if he wants to take that territory back. And if he doesn't, then you've isolated the possible routes he can take to try and take the war to you.

You may not have achieved an auto-victory, but you've put yourself in a position to take the war well into '45 and possibly into '46 if you play smart and mount an effective defense.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 5:25:05 PM

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... There aren't enough points in India to win autovictory without destroying the entire Indian Army, which you can't do if they choose to barricade in Bombay/Karachi...

I simply do not understand this statement.

Firstly, every base in India has at least a 5:1 multiplier effect, some which are already under Japanese control have a 50:1 multiplier. It is simply not feasible that at this stage of the game, every Allied base captured in India had already been developed to its maximum airfield and port capacities. Accordingly there is potentially huge VP gains to be achieved merely by developing bases to their SPS.

Secondly, it is not going to be an easy task for the Allies to recapture ground in India. The auto victory conditions are not just restricted to 1943. Assuming that the Allies do not make any significant VP gains in 1943, then Q-Ball's already achieved 3.6:1 ratio will more than suffice to ensure an auto victory on 1 January 1944. And this is without tacking into account the preceding paragraph.

Thirdly, once you gain air supremacy over Bombay (and ultimately Karchi) where you have identified the presence of considerable numbers of Allied LCUs and AV, you can achieve considerable VPs by merely ground attacking the pinned Allied units.

If you fall into a mindset that you have already failed, then that will impact subconsciously on your play and become a self fulfilling prophecy.

I see no reason why an auto victory will not ensue in approximately 6 months time if Japan maintains the initiative, maintains offensive pressure on the Allies (there are still important Allied bases in India awaiting capture without triggering Allied reinforcements) and fully develops its infrastucture, taking due account of the VP multiplier effect.

Japan has already identified the presence in India of Australian units. Those units have helped the Allies to stabilise the front. Without the presence of these foreign units, it is most unlikely that the indigenous Indian Command units would suffice to prevent Japan from conquering the whole of India. The indigenous Indian Allied units are simply too weak in terms of experience/morale and TOE strength to stop Japan. Remember Japan can focus on a single schwerpunkt whereas the Allied defence has to be spread about to cover numerous cities. This means that ultimately, the Allies can only stop a determined and focussed Japanese offensive in India by bringing in forces from elsewhere. The price the Allies will pay for stabilising the situation in India is a considerable reduction of Allied offensive capabilities elsewhere.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 6:33:52 PM

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The Indians have a lot of flak units to use attacking his bases would be costly.

As standard there are Australian units in India. I dont know if Canoe has transferred some more from OZ.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 7:06:05 PM

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...As standard there are Australian units in India. I dont know if Canoe has transferred some more from OZ.

That is not correct. In scenario 1 (AFAIK no change made to Allied OOB in scenario 2) there is only a single Australian support unit present in India (at Karachi) as at 7 December 1941. In post #321, Q-Ball identified the 25th Aust Bde as being present in India. That unit does not start in India. Its presence can only be accounted for by being brought in from elsewhere. As the 25th brigade initially enters the game at Aden, it is clear that at least one brigade, and in all probability its two sister brigades plus support units which all enter at Aden in close proximity, have been moved to India. If the Allies have moved at least one unit into India, what are the odds that others haven't been similarly sent to India.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 8:58:19 PM

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Well if they enter at Aden they were destined for India, where else is the logical place for them to go.

It's not the same as transferring an OZ unit from Australia itself.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 9:04:07 PM

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I believe that the 1st Australian corps enters at Aden. This is 2 crack divisions plus support units. These come in pretty early in 42 I think and are the only decent units the Allies get in the beginning of the war. The choice is where to send them. Some players send them to India or Ceylon, I've sent them to the DEI (and lost them)and some players send them to Australian to shore up the defense there and perhaps give some offensive punch in the SW Pacific or New Guinea. No matter what you do they have to pass India. When they show up the Allied player has needs everywhere on the map so they often get split up

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 9:26:59 PM

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I think they enter at Aden because they were in the middle east.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 9:34:11 PM

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I think they enter at Aden because they were in the middle east.

Yep,(In Palestine & Syria) It would be silly to ship them past the German/Italian held Sicily airfields to ship them around to Cape Town.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/6/2010 9:52:43 PM

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I think they enter at Aden because they were in the middle east.

If I recall Churchill was not at all pleased at the Australians leaving

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/7/2010 1:19:02 AM

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So I am not going for it all in India. It is nearly impossible to cut-off India from the world, and thus nearly impossible to conquer. Too late I realized that taking SOCOTRA would have cut off all but reinforcement from ADEN, but I didn't realize that until recently, at which point it's too late. So major error on my part. It is also STILL unclear if taking it triggers reinforcement; I assume it does since it is a land hex on that side of the line, but maybe a Dev can clarify.

I'm not a dev, but I did a test today on this. I'll post the results on the main forum as soon as I hang up here, as I think this is a cloudy rule that should be understood by every player.

Bottom line--a Japanese conquest of Socotra DOES NOT trigger Indian extra reenforcements, at least in January 1941. I invaded Karachi with the same force six days later, and DID trigger reenforcements.

I will post details in the Main.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/7/2010 10:06:45 PM

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Bottom line--a Japanese conquest of Socotra DOES NOT trigger Indian extra reenforcements, at least in January 1941. I invaded Karachi with the same force six days later, and DID trigger reenforcements.

Congratulations on an impressively quick movement. But I'm pretty sure you mean a later year than 1941.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/7/2010 10:28:28 PM

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Bottom line--a Japanese conquest of Socotra DOES NOT trigger Indian extra reenforcements, at least in January 1941. I invaded Karachi with the same force six days later, and DID trigger reenforcements.

Congratulations on an impressively quick movement. But I'm pretty sure you mean a later year than 1941.

Yep. Thanks.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/8/2010 5:25:48 AM

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I believe that the 1st Australian corps enters at Aden. This is 2 crack divisions plus support units. These come in pretty early in 42 I think and are the only decent units the Allies get in the beginning of the war. The choice is where to send them. Some players send them to India or Ceylon, I've sent them to the DEI (and lost them)and some players send them to Australian to shore up the defense there and perhaps give some offensive punch in the SW Pacific or New Guinea. No matter what you do they have to pass India. When they show up the Allied player has needs everywhere on the map so they often get split up

I sent them (Aus I corps)to India first as that is the most vulnerable front early in the game. Once it was clear that India would not be invaded. (Usually around 4/42) I moved them to Oz.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/9/2010 7:48:05 PM

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CRSUTTON: I think Australia is more vulnerable early, and a better use of the Aussie troops. In fact, I think it's a better ultimate target than India, though I think I squandered an opportunity to take all of India, both because of my ignorance of the rules around Socotra, and because of my own timidity and desire for a longer game.

But, Australia is easier to isolate.

Aug 6-12, 1942:

Quick update, as I have been busy IRL lately....

Air Wars over India: I haven't bombed Bombay yet, no point really until I am ready to attack. Dan continues to oppose my sweeps with P-38s; although I am only getting 1.5 to 1 in kills, I am sweeping every day with TOJOs, in order to attrite the P-38s. When I played Allies, I found you never had enough in early 1943, so shooting down 60 or so (tally so far), is helpful.

I have ambushed and killed occasional bomber sorties. Dan was getting alot of planes on the ground in Poona via 4E, until I flew some NICKS there, who shot down 7 bombers the last attack.

Baker: No signs of Allied moves since the attack on Baker. I think it was just a raid of opportunity. Nevertheless, I am reminded on the vulnerability of all those islands out there. We are slowly moving units to the Central Pacific, as many places do not have much of a garrison.

Liuchow: I haven't posted a shot, but I have openend a major offensive on Liuchow, a city in clear terrain on the main Chinese rail line. I have made two attacks in a row that have dropped the forts to 2; I will rest and shock attack in 2-3 days, which might tip over the city. I brought over 7 Divisions, and I think I suprised Dan; I tried to move everyone up quietly, and he didn't see the forces coming until we were adjacent to Liuchow.

If we take Liuchow, I expect a huge pile of Chinese losses to result.

Mindinao: Allied forces on Mindinao surrender easily; they were low on supplies. There are still Allied troops on Cebu and Iloilo, but that's it for the Phillipines.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/10/2010 8:29:29 PM

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Aug 13-14, 1942:

Liuchow falls: The Chinese City of Liuchow fell to a 6-1 attack today. I attacked this city specifically because it is in open terrain, where IJA Firepower can overwhelm Chinese hordes. I suffered alot of disablements, but the Chinese suffered alot of just flat out killed:

Ground combat at Liuchow (74,55)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 75697 troops, 714 guns, 249 vehicles, Assault Value = 2489

Defending force 76385 troops, 465 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2482

Japanese adjusted assault: 3165

Allied adjusted defense: 487

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Liuchow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
5456 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 613 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 500 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 52 disabled
Units pursuing 1

Allied ground losses:
20106 casualties reported
Squads: 976 destroyed, 277 disabled
Non Combat: 1215 destroyed, 276 disabled
Engineers: 195 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 69 (68 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 16

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
22nd Division
27th Division
36th Division
59th Division
60th Division
41st Division
34th Division
15th/B Division
15th/C Division
13th Army
23rd Army
21st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
10th Chinese Corps
93rd Chinese Division
53rd Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
18th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps
8th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
12th Construction Regiment
9th Group Army
4th War Area
16th Group Army
7th Chinese Base Force
13th Chinese Base Force

You can see I committed about 7 1/2 Divisions to the attack, against 10 Chinese Corps.

A nice body count, but what does this mean? It's really just a tactical victory, and I know it. My troops are too banged up to quickly exploit the with a capture of Kweilin, and the terrain is rougher there anyways. It severs the rail line which is an inconvenience for the Allies, and trashed a bunch of Chinese units so that they won't attack me anytime soon. But that's really it. It's just a tactical offensive to improve my long-term defensive position in China.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/10/2010 9:27:15 PM

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Regardless of the strategic import of the attack in the long term, you just gotta take a minute and grin, man! Any time you see five figures in the casualties column, with the first number a "2", that's a licking.

He'll rebuild, but it will eat his supply to do it, and those units may have to fall back a ways to find a x2 city to do it in.

Not to mention the psychological hit to your opponent. No "nuclear arty"--just old-fashioned numbers of well-supplied ,well-trained troops, and a large advantage in armor.

Bask for at least a day. This was a big battle where CR committed to preventing just this outcome.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/10/2010 9:37:10 PM

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It is more than just a tactical victory. It translates to about a 200 VP net gain. There are plenty of other opportunities to harvest VPs in China by merely destroying Chinese devices.

1. You can immediately gain more VPs by following closely the defeated Chinese Corps and smashing them again in the hex NE of Liuchow. They were so severely smashed that the wooded hex will provide little bonus.

2. There are also Chinese units in the clear hex to the NW of Liuchow who the screenshot shows are marching to Liuchow and therefore will have no fortification. You can march out of Liuchow and smash them as well.

3. You already have Japanese units present at Kweilin and therefore should already have a good idea of the strength of the defenders. Even if Kweilin is reinforced fully by the remnants of the 10 defeated Chinese Corps, you should be able to rather easily capture Kweilin notwithstanding it is a forested hex. The additional Chinese mouths arriving of the defeated Corps will merely consume the local supplies and in time also reduce the adjusted AV at Kweilin. In fact, looking at the combat modifiers at Liuchow, Kweilin is probably already starving.

Besides the gain of VPs, you have cut the railway. This immediately cuts off the flow of the significant surplus resources produced at Liuchow from flowing east to feed Allied industry at Changsha. Plus China has now lost an auto daily 40 supply generation with the loss of Liuchow.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/10/2010 10:13:05 PM

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The Garrison at Kweilin is large; about the same size as the one at Liuchow. Because it's in rough terrain, and because I am 0% prepped for Kweilin, it won't be a quick take. Still, I can pursue those broken troops, they won't be worth much.

All my combat reports at Liuchow had a "supply(-)" for the defenders. Supply is normally a problem for the Chinese, but I wonder if losing India is making it doubly-so. There is no "Hump", and no overland flow at all. If so, I maybe need to send some troops to China and take advantage of that.

(NOTE: WE have a house rule prohibiting Strat bombing in China, otherwise the Chinese would be starving a long time ago).

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/10/2010 10:27:13 PM

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The Garrison at Kweilin is large; about the same size as the one at Liuchow. Because it's in rough terrain, and because I am 0% prepped for Kweilin, it won't be a quick take. Still, I can pursue those broken troops, they won't be worth much.

All my combat reports at Liuchow had a "supply(-)" for the defenders. Supply is normally a problem for the Chinese, but I wonder if losing India is making it doubly-so. There is no "Hump", and no overland flow at all. If so, I maybe need to send some troops to China and take advantage of that.

(NOTE: WE have a house rule prohibiting Strat bombing in China, otherwise the Chinese would be starving a long time ago).

Well that is actually quite good news for you if Kweilin has a similar sized garrison. Kweilin also only has a daily auto 40 supply generation (IIRC it has very limited local industry, if that). Thus the Kweilin garrison will be starving and their stockpiles are not going to be improved with the arrival of any Liuchow refugees. Your margin of victory at Liuchow was so decisive (look at how drastic was the reduction in the Chinese adjusted AV), that a similar result should be achievable eventually at Kweilin.

The bottom line is this. In China, only cities with a large industrial base + sizeable daily auto supply generation can afford to have a garrison of more than 3 Corps long term. The only cities that fit the bill are Chungking, Changsha and Sian. Other cities with garrisons of about 10 Corps will merely have starving garrisons.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/10/2010 11:16:24 PM

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The Garrison at Kweilin is large; about the same size as the one at Liuchow. Because it's in rough terrain, and because I am 0% prepped for Kweilin, it won't be a quick take. Still, I can pursue those broken troops, they won't be worth much.

All my combat reports at Liuchow had a "supply(-)" for the defenders. Supply is normally a problem for the Chinese, but I wonder if losing India is making it doubly-so. There is no "Hump", and no overland flow at all. If so, I maybe need to send some troops to China and take advantage of that.

(NOTE: WE have a house rule prohibiting Strat bombing in China, otherwise the Chinese would be starving a long time ago).

Should not be a factor as the Allies have virtually no air transport at this time in the game. So, I would say at this time taking India has very little effect on China. Taking Burma cuts China off and the hump transport route really can't get going until late 42 or so. However, if you continue to snap up Chinese production cities and he is unable to take back Kohima and Ledo by the end of the year or early 1943 at best, then I suspect China will be a big problem for CR.

What you saw at Lanchow is a typical Allied problem in China. Any base that has a very large concentration of troops will quickly go to zero supply and the troops in the city will soon starve-making city hexes insanely easy to take once the Japanese player can force a fight in the base hex. This is a serious problem for the Allied player and the only real solution is to actually fight in terrain outside of the bases where supply will flow normally to your units. It is majorly screwed but there has been no indication that it is going to be fixed.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/10/2010 11:33:36 PM

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What you saw at Lanchow is a typical Allied problem in China. Any base that has a very large concentration of troops will quickly go to zero supply and the troops in the city will soon starve-making city hexes insanely easy to take once the Japanese player can force a fight in the base hex. This is a serious problem for the Allied player and the only real solution is to actually fight in terrain outside of the bases where supply will flow normally to your units. It is majorly screwed but there has been no indication that it is going to be fixed.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/12/2010 10:59:07 PM

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Aug 15-18, 1942:

Bombay Area: Alot of action around Bombay the last couple days.

On the GROUND, no action per se, but I am reorganizing my troops to push east. I am leaving 4 Divisions in Bombay proper; 3 might be enough, the Allies have about 2500 AV, so might be overkill. I may pull another division.

I will post more on the plans in India in another post.

Air Wars: I started to bomb the airstrip at Bombay; after a couple days unopposed, Dan responded very strongly. A large air battle erupted.

He did take a chunk out of my bombers, but our TOJOS shot down P-40s and P-39s in droves. The TOJO is really a better fighter than the P-40E; either that or my pilots are better. My guys are all 70+ experience guys I trained myself, not sure if Dan is keeping up on his pilot training or not.

RAF must be really hurting still if I am seeing Mohawks. MOHAWKS? Nearly 300 Hurricanes have been lost. Dan is probably moving USAAF units to India.

China: The Chinese routed at Liuchow retreated to Kweilin.
We are moving up and starting to prep, though it will be awhile before we can attack. On the flip side, there are 30 units at Kweilin and probably about 50 sandwiches to go around, so there isn't much chance they get stronger.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/12/2010 11:52:35 PM

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Q-Ball,

I notice that you are regularly commenting on the Mohawk IV. FYI, in scenario 1 (again AFAIK no change made to scenario 2) the two RAF squadrons, #5 and #146 are equipped with the fearsome Audax light bomber but they are scheduled to upgrade to the equally fearsome Mohawk IV fighter.

I suspect your opponent has decided to (a) avail himself of this opportunity to manufacture additional fighter units and (b) is still using the original bomber pilots assigned to those units when they were bomber squadrons. Doing so of course places additional stress on Allied airframe stockpiles but it means he can prioritise his better airframes to units with pilots trained as fighters.

Total P-38F production will only be 80. It ceases production on 30 September 1942. When the P-38G enters production in October, its monthly production rate is only 20 ie 50% of the monthly rate for the P-38F. In November 1942, 329FG/337FS arrives to IV Fighter Command. It is equipped with P-38F, so its planes could be cannabilised for use in India.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/13/2010 2:38:12 AM

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Q-Ball,

Very important information has just been disclosed about Indian trigger line.

See this thread.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2620744&mpage=1?

Post #15 is essential reading.

Japan can cross north east of Delhi and NOT trigger Allied reinforcements. This means you can capture Lahore, Amritsar etc with their valuable resources + industry AND the oil of Rawalpindi. Not only will that improve your supply position in India, but it should cripple the Allied production of supplies in India, leading to starving Allied armies unless than can shift in supplies from overseas. It also means that if Allied Indian cities get to starvation, the VPs will not be credited to the Allied score.

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Edit: michaelm has just corected his post. Need to look at it carefully but I think it still leaves an opportunity for a Japanese advance.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/13/2010 1:19:02 PM

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Hiya, Q-ball,

Been away for a bit, but following the AAR from abroad. Glad to see the fight continuing.

Can you please update us on the current VP ratio? Any closer to 4:1?

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/13/2010 9:58:49 PM

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No, the Brits get plenty of squadrons but the 35 Hurricane IIs a month will not keep them equipped with aircraft-especially if there is a big fight going on in CBI. I still have two squadrons with mohawks and two with buffalos in my game and I have not nearly had the fight the Canoe has had. They are training units now but they were front line reserve for quite a while.

Ever since my WITP days if was standard operating proceedure for me to begin moving American fighter units to India on day one. Except then you had to run them from OZ. Now is AE it is safer getting them to India. But without American fighters in India you can't fight.

Q Ball what is are your numbers for monthly fighter production as of this date?

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/22/2010 2:23:16 AM

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Aug 19-Sept 2, 1942:

REAL WORLD: I have been able to do only 1-2 turns a day due to work really picking up. I'm grateful to be working, so can't complain, but it is slowing this down, and making it difficult to keep up on the AAR. Thus, the long absence.

Air Wars over India: The last two weeks have been continuous air fights. They kind of go like this: Tojos sweep P-38s, and usually score 2-1 over them. I really want to attrite P-38s. B-17s bomb my airbases, though, and usually get a bunch of planes, though I usually shoot down 1-2 per trip using NICKS. Occasionally, Dan has brought in P-40s or Hurricanes, which get absolutely slaughtered by Tojos. Overall, I am probably ahead 2-1.

India on Ground: I am re-arranging my forces, to cut-off the troops facing me near Bombay. I have no intention of attacking Bombay; I hope to create a stalemate through 1942, then get out pretty quickly, as India cannot be held, and the only reason to do so is for Auto VPs.

I have pulled 4 Infantry Divisions total for other areas. I have, though, dropped off 2 Tank Divisions; that makes 3 Tank Divisions and a Tank Bde. Panzer Armee India!

Other Plans: I have another operation cooking that potentially can yield enough VPs for Auto Victory, particularly if Dan brings out the fleet, which I hope he does.

Surface Fight off Karachi: I have had a small TF lurking, and making night runs into the channel off Karachi. A few days back, they found and sank 2 KVs and some MTBs. Finally, though, they hit some paydirt:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Karachi at 38,7, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1
DD Yudachi, Shell hits 1
DD Samidare, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Nenohi, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Tjerk Hiddes, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
DMS Southard, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Harris, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Hunter Liggett, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Monterey, Shell hits 3
AK Fomalhaut, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Alhena, Shell hits 5
xAK Autolycus, Shell hits 2, on fire
xAK Kiangsu, Shell hits 5, heavy fires

Not the greatest result; they were set on RETIRE, not sure why they hung around and attacked during the day. They expended enough OPS points that CL ISUZU was caught and sunk by bombers from Karachi. Apparently she struck a mine. Another DD is on fire, and probably about 50/50; the OPS damage is only 42 so far.

It is nice to sink the Harris-class APs which convert to APAs. I think I sank the HUNTER LIGGETT.

A sub finished off the xAK ATOLYCUS, which was left without an escort.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/22/2010 1:31:40 PM

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quote:

Surface Fight off Karachi: I have had a small TF lurking, and making night runs into the channel off Karachi. A few days back, they found and sank 2 KVs and some MTBs. Finally, though, they hit some paydirt:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Karachi at 38,7, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1
DD Yudachi, Shell hits 1
DD Samidare, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Nenohi, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Tjerk Hiddes, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
DMS Southard, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Harris, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Hunter Liggett, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Monterey, Shell hits 3
AK Fomalhaut, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Alhena, Shell hits 5
xAK Autolycus, Shell hits 2, on fire
xAK Kiangsu, Shell hits 5, heavy fires

Not the greatest result; they were set on RETIRE, not sure why they hung around and attacked during the day. They expended enough OPS points that CL ISUZU was caught and sunk by bombers from Karachi. Apparently she struck a mine. Another DD is on fire, and probably about 50/50; the OPS damage is only 42 so far.

It is nice to sink the Harris-class APs which convert to APAs. I think I sank the HUNTER LIGGETT.

A sub finished off the xAK ATOLYCUS, which was left without an escort.

Grateful for any updates you can send. Busy at work is a good thing though.
I am surprised you have not do more raiding/blockading of Karachi. Looks like these transports were empty, but it is always helpful to sink Ak's and AP's. Surprised CR used them. I don't think there is much advantage unless you are using them amphibiously, and they are pretty valuable in 1942. Don't count on the extra sinking. If it made port or the wormhole it's almost certainly saved.

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RE: Illinois Yankee in Showa Court (Q-Ball v Canoe) - 11/22/2010 8:47:32 PM

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DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

One lousy shell and it's gone? Must have hit a torpedo mount . . .
All in all, I'd say that a CL and a DD is a fairly high price for what you bagged. But that's the way the dice roll...

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