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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/23/2010 9:51:48 PM   
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Erik you tease us so well...How does WW2 in Europe sound; based on the WitE engine lets say from 1936-1946 then some way to tie the Pacific and European Theatres together in one mega (I'll need a divorce Lawyer) game.... Anyway bottom line is Matrix Rocks just keep doing what you guys do best....


It's already under consideration. Check the old production thread.


We don't have WiTE yet and you already want a Theater sized game? Are you kidding me???

..... When is it coming out??? Gotta have

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/23/2010 11:40:21 PM   
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Horrible news!
I had hoped War in the East would be delayed for another couple of years.


The "horrible" part here is, that WitE was the last 'big' game in Matrix current pipeline. Aside of WiF, whose release is arguable. It might take years until we'll see another grognard title.


They are still going to do that Grognard title for the Hundred Years War!!

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 12:00:21 AM   
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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 10:24:25 AM   
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You mean the day by day down to the pitch fork game?


That actually sounds pretty good...

But for now we must take solace in WitE. Fine balance between sex and divorce.




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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 12:56:00 PM   
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We don't have WiTE yet and you already want a Theater sized game? Are you kidding me???


I suppose the wish for a full European theater sized WW2 game "WitE" at the detail level and economy side of WITP-AE with a sub-division level force management and AI like WitEast (hopefully) existed long before the the announcement of WiTEast... Of course carrying that to a word-level game, for example by enabling WiTE and WitP(n) to interface each other, would be the crowning of an emperor -- but then playing this game would be a full-time job, or indeed alternative reality... Probably would only work with the German unemployment benefits system...

For now, excitement is up for WitEast, and its AI...

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 6:18:32 PM   
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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 9:56:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I just found out about this game today. I am heavily in my second WITP:AE game with a good friend. We both screwed up the first one, me as Japan and him as the Allies. We are doing much better the second time around.

My questions are thus:

1. Will my wife think I have gone really crazy with another game of this magnitude and all the data crunching that it requires?

2. Will my current opponent in WITP:AE and my heads explode if we take up another game of this magnitude?

3. Will Amarillo Design Bureau "fire" me as FEAR since I have fully immersed myself in two other monster games other than "Federation and Empire"?

4. Will they eventually tie both the land engine from this and the naval/air engine from WITP:AE together for "WWII: The whole shebang"?

I am thinking, no, to the first three, but it might be close on those three!

The thought of yes to number 4 makes me drool uncontrollably!

I need a mop with all the drool I am leaving on the BBS!

I am awaiting the release date with great anticipation.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 9:59:27 PM   
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Maybe Matrix and ADB should have a chat about this...



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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 10:09:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a F&E online computer port being worked on by a volunteer programmer based on the SFBOL engine. It has a lot of potential, I have been invovled in the development of it and if the programmer can get some time away from his very busy medical programming job... we might have something of great potential.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 10:38:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		All the hype aside, I don't think that WitE will remotely approximate to WitP AE in terms of detail and size.

WitE plays on divisional level with weekly turns. At Barabarossa launch the Axis had around 160 divisions available. Even if one takes attachable units and air squads into account, there will be hardly more than 300-400 counters to consider for a single turn and the whole conflict lasted about 200 weeks.

I expect WitE rather on a level with some of the larger PanzerCampaign scenarios.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/24/2010 11:23:45 PM   
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This cant come fast enough for me - have waited years for game like this ... AND it goes to 1945 as well ... so many russian front games - board and computer stop at 44 ...

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/25/2010 2:38:49 AM   
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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/25/2010 11:25:54 AM   
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So my guess is about 2-3 weeks until WitE release.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/25/2010 11:33:13 AM   
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All the hype aside, I don't think that WitE will remotely approximate to WitP AE in terms of detail and size.

WitE plays on divisional level with weekly turns. At Barabarossa launch the Axis had around 160 divisions available.


Compared to WitE, the amount of divisions in WitP:AE will appear to be small. I'm not sure how many land units there are in WitP:AE, does each side have more than 1000 land units?

WitP:AE also has issues when it comes to simulating land battles, it is primarily a naval(/air) simulation. In WitE, you can track what every squad does in a battle should you desire to do so, similarly to how WitP:AE allows you to see what your ships and planes are doing.

WitP:AE is good at simulating naval battles and amphibious operations, but not so good at simulating the land war. That's what WitE does best.

It would be pointless to hype WitE into a game it isn't.

You can't manage equipment production in WitE, so that's where the Japanese side in WitP:AE will be more detailed. You can, however, create units as the Soviets, which provides more detail than WitP:AE has. The army you have at the end of the war as the Soviets will be truly "yours", as you essentially rebuild it following the defeats in 1941 to a juggernaught late in the war. That, to me, is one of the main attractions of the game and also reasonably unique for a wargame, where there's usually some form of reinforcement schedule. The land forces you have in WitP:AE were either already on the map at the start of the game or came in as reinforcements at some point.

The land war is more detailed and the air war is less detailed in terms of that you can't train individual pilots (pilot training is automatic up to 40 experience), but you can track how many planes in a squadron are operational or damaged.

The primary differences are the time scale for the turns, the size of the game map, the lack of a naval component and the focus on the land war with a mostly tactical, not strategic air force. The game isn't short on detail, it's just a very different game from WitP:AE. It might be a good idea to judge the game through playing it or through reading AAR's, rather than simply saying it's less or more detailed than game X based on no experience with the game.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/25/2010 1:25:32 PM   
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Switch over and play the Sovs! More rifle divisions than you can shake a stick at.





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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/25/2010 1:51:40 PM   
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They are still going to do that Grognard title for the Hundred Years War!!


And let's hope RTS really means real time for once

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 8:00:12 AM   
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They are still going to do that Grognard title for the Hundred Years War!!


And let's hope RTS really means real time for once


what game is this in the pipeline?

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 8:23:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Was just reading Joel's dev diary on wargamer. Can you point out how the admin system in WitE works? In regard to this paragraph:

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Providing players with an endless number of items they could micromanage was easy, but trying to keep the more casual player from feeling he had to micromanage in order to be successful was more difficult. As testing continued it became clear that limits needed to be put on just what the player could do. Gary had always envisioned that the admin point system would be the limiting factor. Through development more items were tied to the admin system such as forming Soviet corps sized combat units and manually upgrading aircraft in air groups. By tying these to the admin system, players can decide how best to spend their limited command focus. For those players that wish to play with more micromanagement, we encourage them to increase the Admin Level Game Option.


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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 8:44:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		You get 50 admin points/AP's each turn as the Axis and 50 increasing to 60 in 1942 as the Soviets. With those points, both sides must "buy" leader reassignments, support unit reassignments and in the Soviet case (support) unit construction/corps consolidation. You can hoard points to a certain limit to be able to, say, convert a large number of divisions into corps on one turn, but that means you would have to save up which means you can't spend AP's on anything else. Managing AP's effectively is a lesson both the Axis and Soviet player will have to learn, although for the Axis player there's somewhat less pressure on AP's as they don't have to construct units.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 8:50:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of the customisable settings for adjusting the difficulty level against the AI and or handicapping PBEM players of different experience/ability levels, is admin level. Each Campaign and scenario allocates players a set number of Admin Points (APs) per turn. By adjusting this setting you can increase/decrease the number of APs each side gets.





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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 9:13:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Condidering one set admin level to highest possible value (100?), is the game still balanced then or in favor for one side?

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 9:31:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		The figure on the screenshot is a percentage modifier, so 100 means that in the 1941 campaign the GE would get 50 APs per turn.


The highest possible setting is 400%; the lowest is 25%; so the max. number of APs is 200 for the GE, the min. is 12-13 depending on rounding.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 9:53:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I'm an Axis player who enjoys micromanagement and tinkering with units, as more as merrier. If I set the value to 400%, wouldn't this favor the Sovjets, or maybe blow their production out of proportions? On the other hand I don't want to give one side an artifical handicap by turning down their admin points.

I know Gary is a fan of asymmetric gameplay and his rulesets are usually well elaborated. But in case of WbtS it was a bit overdone, as the leader focus removed most necessity for micromanagement and made the game too fast-paced.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 10:01:05 PM   
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or maybe blow their production out of proportions


As testers we try to remain strictly neutral, but I can think of one or 2 testers who would dance with joy at the thought of having 200 APs to build their Mechanised Corps/Artillery division Juggernaut.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 10:08:09 PM   
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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 10:10:51 PM   
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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 10:16:50 PM   
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Because the SU builds his army with them and the GE doesn't - the asymmetrical factor you mentioned; then they will probably feel under the most pressure, particularly when they want to move from the defensive to build and organise an attacking army, hence the recent increase from 50 to 60 APs, and to be honest we have not had enough testing time to saying if this is too little or too much. But ongoing tweaking of this will be easy to do.

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 10:36:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alright. Since we have the game options window here (and I'm obviously bored tonite): can you increase the other stats over 100% as well? And if so, how the logistics level influences gameplay?

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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/26/2010 10:42:10 PM   
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RE: Released 23 november? - 11/27/2010 2:19:19 AM   
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