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OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 2:32:06 PM   
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Now you know what to ask for for Christmas! If you buy over $50 it is free delivery. That helps, the engines are stripped out already.
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 2:42:35 PM   
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 3:00:37 PM   
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 3:08:12 PM   
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Yeah, but then you'd have a carrier with no no aircraft to fly from it.  And who'd be daft enough to do a thing like that?.........

Someone like me. A couple of years ago the DOD sold me a ICBM launch control center (Juilet 0). Couldn't turn it down. They made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 4:11:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was this ship, or her sister, which was docked several hundred yards away from my clunky tanker, in an Oman port in 2002. Quite freindly crew. Lifted a pint or two with the lads, at the little 'western' compound on the hill outside the port gate. My ship was acting as a floating gas station for B-1 bomber unit at the time. This was also the first and only time I got to see the 'Rising Sun', which was flying from a Japanese cruiser anchored across the quay.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 4:49:02 PM   
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It was this ship, or her sister, which was docked several hundred yards away from my clunky tanker, in an Oman port in 2002. Quite freindly crew. Lifted a pint or two with the lads, at the little 'western' compound on the hill outside the port gate. My ship was acting as a floating gas station for B-1 bomber unit at the time. This was also the first and only time I got to see the 'Rising Sun', which was flying from a Japanese cruiser anchored across the quay.



From witP play you didnt get 'itchy trigger' syndrome ?

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 5:01:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I was surprised to see the imfamous ensign. Being a child of the 'fifties' I assumed the Japanese naval mission was still defensive............never epected to see the Japanese battle 'colors' again. The ensign, and the ship, was quite impressive.............and in a way........spooky, even!

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 5:25:16 PM   
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 5:38:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a shame to see Great Britain's fleet being dwindled down so. I assume Invincible's sale to the 'breakers' is an economic consequence of the times, or does Britain have a replacement in mind?

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 5:42:41 PM   
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 6:01:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whilst the first (QE) is expected to launch around that time, commissioning will be a couple years later. The second (POW) has been 'delayed' due to economic spending cuts
Worst still the F-35 aircraft are not due to come into service until 2021
To cover the 10 years fixed wing naval aviation capability gap, the UK Government is negotiating with the French to "share" the Charles de Gaulle nuclear CV

and 1 in 4 of us civvies working with the military in the Ministry of Defence will loose our jobs in the next 4 years.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 6:19:48 PM   
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Actually, I was surprised to see the imfamous ensign. Being a child of the 'fifties' I assumed the Japanese naval mission was still defensive............never epected to see the Japanese battle 'colors' again. The ensign, and the ship, was quite impressive.............and in a way........spooky, even!


When I read your first post on this I took for granted you meant the red sun on white field - but you mean they actually were flying the rising sun flag (the one with the sun burst)?

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 6:39:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, witpqs; not the meatball, the rising sun, which you are aware, is the battle flag. I have been to Japan several times in my earlier carreer, particularly the Sasebo and Yokusuka areas; never saw it then, that I can remember. It was quite a surprise to see it in 2002. A proud tradition, apparently, has kept that sun from setting.
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 7:35:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow! I sort of thought it had been outlawed for the Japanese military. Did you get pictures (I know they wouldn't be digital for posting here, I'm just curious if you got one for a keepsake)?

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 7:45:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Will the new CV's be standard design or the smaller type, as used by Harrier air craft.
The thumping of Lord Nelson's wooden parts against cathedral stone must echo loudly in Admiralty halls, every time the Chares de Gaul gently vibrates her stern through the English Channel.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 8:04:42 PM   
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Wow! I sort of thought it had been outlawed for the Japanese military.

The rising sun flag that was "outlawed" was the original Army version (with the 'meatball' in the centre) nowdays the JSDF uses a (slightly?) different flag, the Navy Ensign, that has the slightly offset 'sun' is still in use.

See the photos here:
http://budousha.jugem.jp/?eid=500

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 8:17:10 PM   
steamboateng


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Status: offline 		witpqs; I took pictures at the time but unfortunately never had them developed. The film is still around the house, somewhere. I also took pictures of the Brit flat top. I also got pulled over by Oman security for running around the place with a camera. I also got pulled over for questioning on my passport. etc., etc.
It was a quite memorable time, all in all.
I will check for the film and see if it's still good.
I'm sure seeing that flag flying over a Japanese warship will still send a chill to most. It was spooky!
I don't think it was outlawed. This wasn't a dinky 3 x 5 they flew; closer to 2 or 3 times that. The Brit carrier was in port at the time; maybe they were talking to one another.
At that time, we were warned (by US military) not show US colors.
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 8:24:36 PM   
steamboateng


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Status: offline 		Yes, the 'Rising Sun' was centered somwhat below the horizontal center of the flag. Than you amattucci.
Now I just have to find those films.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 9:38:51 PM   
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Will the new CV's be standard design or the smaller type, as used by Harrier air craft.
The thumping of Lord Nelson's wooden parts against cathedral stone must echo loudly in Admiralty halls, every time the Chares de Gaul gently vibrates her stern through the English Channel.


They just changed their order for the F-35s, from the VTOL F-35B to the conventional F-35C, that the US Navy will acquire and are now planning to install a catapult on the QE. This is probably to ensure compatibility with the French navy and perhaps also because there is some doubt about the F-35B, which has a much shorter range and is proving the most difficult and costly to develop.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/2/2010 9:46:25 PM   
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 12:38:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I supose if we put Pearl Harbor and 9/11 into our scrapbooks as simply 'bad experiences' we can all exchange our guns for butter.
But that ain't really how it works, now; is it?

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 1:09:42 AM   
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 1:50:50 AM   
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 2:36:43 AM   
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I don't want to start anything.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 3:13:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		You didn't start anything over here. I respect your views. It's the same coin in the air. We just call it different ways.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 3:57:17 AM   
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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 10:12:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		From memory, wasn't she up for sale just before the Falklands War broke out which gave her a reprieve?



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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 10:42:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, I can't remember if it was the Aussies or the Indians who she was being sold to. The Herpes was about to be scrapped too.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 12:11:19 PM   
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Yep, I can't remember if it was the Aussies or the Indians who she was being sold to. The Herpes was about to be scrapped too.


She would've gone to the Aussies.

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RE: OT: HMS Invincible up for sale - 12/3/2010 1:18:43 PM   
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