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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/13/2010 6:24:58 PM

rich12545

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I downloaded the new manuals. But since I had surgery around my eyes a few days ago I won't be able to read them for at least a week. Then when the patch comes out I'll give the whole thing a run and see what improvements over the last patch. If ANW has improved considerably that will be nice too. HCE was my fifth Harpoon purchase over the years so I suppose I'll end up getting another probably next year.

And I don't worry about personal attacks. It says more about what the poster is really like inside than anything else.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/13/2010 6:35:48 PM

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I must state, I wasnt being personal, I was just stating that the level of petulant children on the board had dramatically increased since this release. It was not a personal attack on you or anyone else.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/13/2010 7:34:06 PM

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quote:

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It must be nice to have enough money to plunk down $35 just to see what it looks like.

Well I work hard 9-5:30 5 days a week and I believe I earn my wage...so I have no problems spending it. I wish I didn't buy games. I seldom play any through. It's a curse - trust me

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/13/2010 7:54:56 PM

rich12545

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

quote:

ORIGINAL: rich12545
It must be nice to have enough money to plunk down $35 just to see what it looks like.

Well I work hard 9-5:30 5 days a week and I believe I earn my wage...so I have no problems spending it. I wish I didn't buy games. I seldom play any through. It's a curse - trust me

Oh I trust you on this. I've had the curse for 30 years.

And it used to be where I could just do it too. But now I'm retired on a very limited income. Things change.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/13/2010 7:56:52 PM

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In this, we are all agreed :D

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 12:27:32 AM

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Erik,

AGSI/Matrix Games has done the unthinkable (as interpreted solely by the relatively small group of consistent complainers) ! You have, with the publication of HUE, just stopped dead in their tracks the people who have been complaining for years now. Many of those griping in this thread are lead by one particular narcissistic pied piper gifted with a persuasive silver tongue (or in this case keyboard) and a penchant for fabrication.

By closing the books on 3.9.x and ALL pervious versions the developers and Matrix just vaporized the phantom bug list floating around, it ended once and for any debate of database ownership or scenario creation authorship. In essence you've just elimated the very reason for living for one or two of these folks and sorely hurt their minions; egos have been deflated and prides wounded and, thankfully, soon keyboards of bitching will be silenced. I'd buy you and the devs a beer if I wasn't using my discretionary funds to buyHUE!

So, Erik, grab a brew sit down and lean back put your feet up on the desk turn you monitor so you can see it comfortably and just read and laugh along with the rest of us who care about this game. Watch as that small group of thorns in our side slowly begin to implode. Imagine the look on their faces as they spray their drinks all over their monitors when they fully realize they're not complaining about the 35 dollar price tag, nor the fact that 3.10 is substantially the same as 3.9.X with all those updates/patches/features that have been included over the past for years for the whopping price of zero dollars and the devs on board for future improvements. No, it's not either of those that is the psychological reason for griping If it hasn't yet, it will eventually strike them and strike them hard that they've been SILENCED! In one fell swoop their reign of complain came to an abrupt and bitter end!

They can now move on to something else, or choose to comisserate with each other and complain about what was and might have been on some other obscure board or USENET listserv, or shut up and move forward with 3.10 and beyond.

I for one, and doubtfully am I alone in this, sick of the flame wars, personal attacks, FUD campaigns, unsubstantiated and unverifiable phantom bug lists, databases of dubious origins being claimed as authoritative, postings of the umteenth new scenario this year that's not garaunteed to work with the latest official version and then hearing the same scenario designers scream of bug when <gasp>it doesn't work. Bye, adios, ciao, so-long.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 12:55:34 AM

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 1:14:58 AM

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 1:28:54 AM

rich12545

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I've read posts by some of the folks described in roeddog's post. But I never got involved in all that and really didn't pay much attention. Too boring. Maybe I'm missing something. I don't see how Ultimate will solve this problem.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 1:41:40 AM

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quote:

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... Maybe I'm missing something. I don't see how Ultimate will solve this problem.

Without naming names, I believe roeddog was referring to a specific person that would spam nearly every Harpoon thread on many different forums with a "bug" list that mainly consisted of complaints about parts of certain scenarios that wouldn't run under certain versions/databases of Harpoon.

(Like listing problems of a scenario designed for 3.6.3 when running under 3.9.x)

Ultimate "solves" that separate issue as it contains many of those older versions which may run certain scenarios better.

It doesn't solve the problem of charging for patches--which I thought was what this thread was about.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 1:48:18 AM

rich12545

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Thanks Tony. Now I get it.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 10:32:20 AM

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@ roeddog,

If you are sick of personal flaming wars, why do you start one ?

Why isn�t it possible to discuss a particular point of the game, without someone jumping in, trying to turn the discussion into a personal

war?

Obviously the same persons, complaining about flaming are doing the same thing. I don�t get it.

Everyone knows, who you talking about. There wasn�t any need to turn into that direction. Most people talking in this thread aren�t envolved

in that conflict.

I wrote it before and I wrote it once again. The best you can do to put new customers off, is to continue with that flaming wars.

This old conflict, doesn�t interest many new Harpoon gamers.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 4:38:22 PM

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costs of game

about whether the patches break or fix the game

the almost constant flame war tween peoples.

Yet another set of reasons why I have retreated from the Computer version of Harpoon and gone back to the pen/paper version. When I will have the money I may purchase the latest and greatest verison of Computer Harpoon, but all of this previous six pages of hate and discontent is what has turned people away from this game on the computer. It is a damn shame, but egos are egos.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 11/14/2010 5:02:48 PM

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Well, although the H3ANW is quite disappointing, I really think the HCE is very good in quality and indeed, after i bought both of the games three years ago, i has only played HCE intensively. You know, H3ANW is always disappointing since its release. I have one thing to mention, that is the intro video of Harpoon 3 (remember the various pics and the ground music of the original H3?) which fails to be included in any version of H3ANW. I have to copy and paste the intro video file from my old H3 directory...I think this is ridiculous, and I don't know whether HUE will solve this issue (since it claims that it includes all the previous edition, so I suppose the intro video is included at least in the H3.6).

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 12/3/2010 11:47:23 PM

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I believe I have owned/downloaded/patched every version since Harpoon 1.0. I've gone away and come back to the game full bore a dozen or more times. You get tired of it eventually, but then in a few months it calls out to ya. I love what they've done with Ultimate Edition. My computer is pretty organized, but my H1, H2, H3, HCE, Gold, etc. directories, battlessets and databases ended up all over the place, and I forgot half of what went with what. And crash-caused new computer purchases were a Harpoon nightmare, except for the last boxed releases (H3ANW + HCE) that I would load and start over from scratch. This product straightens that out for me and probably most hardcore users. I understand that it isn't cheap but the $25 discount was quite welcome and more than fair in my opinion. Ultimate Edition is their entire Harpoon inventory, neatly packaged, pick what you want. How cool is that? And the description was very clear on that point.
We know Harpoon's not perfect. At the risk of setting Herman off again, it never will be. We (Herman excepted) live with it. It's a game. We have received thousands and thousands of hours of play for, what, 20 years now out of this game and probably averaged about $7 a year over that period. I'd pay five times that for what we've received.
So I'm very grateful to all those who are doing this for us, and the others over the years who have worked hard (many are on the list of Pooners of the Year). The entertainment value of this game, over time, surpasses any entertainment product I've seen in my lifetime. I will endure a crash, or a plane that won't attack.
Eric, Tony, Randal, "new guy", thanks for your work on our behalf. Same goes to Dale, Bucks, Jesse, Ralf, and all those many others (I know I'm forgetting many...). Keep it up!
--Tim Ousley

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 12/4/2010 3:47:21 PM

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Ego are always going to be present, no matter who's banned or not. It's sorta like Fox News....he with the loudest voice often is the only one that gets heard, regardless of right or wrong.

That being said, it takes a special type of commitment (or sanity) to work on databases and scenarios. This level of commitment is something that alot of guys can't make because they don't have the time. The added commets from people who 'demand' uber realism, or post fake bug lists (which simply isn't possible unless you join the navy and then you'll be very disappointed) don't help.

Over the last several weeks I've seen AGSI and Matrix begin to take control of the message here from people like Herman and his unbanned buddies. While I for one appreciate it, the job is far from complete. The community had been all but destroyed by people like Herman (there's more people like him out there still active) and to re-spark it, we need people with that commitment that I speak of above.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 12/4/2010 11:58:50 PM

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Over the last several weeks I've seen AGSI and Matrix begin to take control of the message here from people like Herman and his unbanned buddies.� While I for one appreciate it, the job is far from complete.� The community had been all but destroyed by people like Herman (there's more people like him out there still active) and to re-spark it, we need people with that commitment that I speak of above.�

Good point about Herman.

I thought seriously about buying this game until I read some of Herman's posts on a couple of Harpoon sites. I thought to myself "My god, is there even a point in purchasing this?"

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 12/5/2010 2:15:23 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TimOusley
Eric, Tony, Randal, "new guy", thanks for your work on our behalf. Same goes to Dale, Bucks, Jesse, Ralf, and all those many others (I know I'm forgetting many...). Keep it up!
--Tim Ousley

Tim,

Thanks for your kind words. Posts like yours make the effort worthwhile, regardless of how much "flak" is aimed at those of us attempting to keep the old girl alive and well.

Cheers

Darren

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 12/6/2010 3:22:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: shauny1987

Cry baby.

There are way too many whiners here. Either buy the product or dont. Whether it is fair or not doesnt matter. Whether you like it or not doesnt matter. Whether you think its just a patch doesnt matter.

Either you buy it or you dont, quit whining about it. Any true fan of Harpoon would not whine about shelling out a fair amount of money with a discount for EVERY Harpoon game + patches + further support for the Harpoon franchise.

*and Harpoon is a niche market, it needs die hards not whiners.

LOL! Are you being serious?

It's like: "shaddap and drink the Kool-Aid".

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 12/31/2010 3:43:13 PM

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Just my 2 cents...

I didn't even know UE was available. I have been out of the loop for a couple of years. I bought the same day I found out about it. Was it expensive? Well not really in my way of thinking and here is why,

Way back in the 2003-5 time frame, there were many that were just hoping that H2AE could be converted to windows. Here we are five years later and it IS a windows game now, no DOS mode swaps etc. Although I prefer H3 over Classic, I play both. I am very pleased that they are still around, and still moving forward.

Does anyone here remember how exciting the possibility of Harpoon MP would be? How about Nuclear release in H3? These are the things that matter.....now it moves forward.

So, I paid the $$, even if I never play the older versions etc etc. It was worth it and until something better comes along, it will remain the best game of its Genre, period.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 1/8/2011 4:08:16 PM

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Yeah, if you simply bought the game it's fine. Or if you had only previously bought either game, it's fine. It's those of us who paid for both games and now have to pay again in order to get future patches who get screwed.

And speaking of patches, it's now been more than two months, the UE patches that we were promised are still not here, and MG is ignoring requests for information about them. With service like that, they want another $35 just for future patches. What, so they can continue to ignore us?

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 1/8/2011 8:00:05 PM

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I have bought all the updates, see I like it and want to support it as best I can. I can see why you are frustrated, but there is probably a good reason that the updates are not out yet. PM someone on Matrix instead of shouting in multiple threads?

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 1/8/2011 8:54:38 PM

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I'll try pming Erik. I don't normally like to do that because the forum is the place for asking questions and getting support.

If you like to give money to a company just for support I think that's great. Some of us are on a limited budget and just can't afford to do so. When I buy a game I expect patches for as long as they're being made. I don't expect to have to fork over more money at a later date to keep the patches coming.

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RE: Sorry, but this is wrong - 1/8/2011 8:58:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rich12545 I'll try pming Erik.� I don't normally like to do that because the forum is the place for asking questions and getting support.

I think that would work, there has to be a reason.

quote:

If you like to give money to a company just for support I think that's great.� Some of us are on a limited budget and just can't afford to do so.� When I buy a game I expect patches for as long as they're being made.� I don't expect to have to fork over more money at a later date to keep the patches coming.

In a sense I can agree, but this is such a 'nitch' product that I want to support it. $50 is something I don't spend on a lark. I could have waited for the update, but I saw that ASGI was trying to release a new package and would give a discount if older versions were purchased. I thought it was a good deal. I want to support it.

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