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Tiger vs JS-II and JS- III - 8/27/2002 11:45:30 PM

Egg_Shen

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****!

How come I can't punch through the front of a JS-II with 88/71L from the Tiger 2!!! (6 shots)
and then the JS - II can then kill the Tiger 2 in 1 shot. I think it was a JS-II hmm maybe it was a JS-III but the pen tables still say I can get through that much armour.

Or does this have something to do with the armour sloping too?

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- 8/28/2002 12:27:17 AM

Belisarius

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Most definately. Hit angle, armor slope, armor quality modifiers etc etc play in. Oh yeah, and range! ;)

Hit alt+L during combat and check the combat.txt in the main directory afterwards. There you will see how the game calculates pen.

Check my thread in the AAR/DAR forum. I hit an IS-2 in the front turret and achieved a pen of 134. The corresponding armor thickness was in this case, after angles etc. were calculated, 136 mm. Ouch. 2mm short. The IS-2 then hit the Tiger on top of the turret since it (the IS-2) was standing on a hill. No need to say, Tigers are quite vulnerable to head bonking. :p

The 88/L71 is a great gun, but the IS-2s features a 122 mm gun. :eek: Enough to kill a Tiger II in any case. You need to be careful with your cats.

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- 8/28/2002 10:47:04 PM

Egg_Shen

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so what is the diff. between a Js-2 and a Js-3?

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- 8/28/2002 11:12:50 PM

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I believe the JSIII incorporated armour sloping improvements over the JSII ... the troops nicknamed it the 'Pike' because of it's pointed front glacis. If you look at a pic of the JSIII it looks remarkably like a modern MBT with the ballistic armour and a turret that looks like an upside down frying pan. IIRC the JS family of tanks carries a small ammo load though, and I believe it had some reliability problems. The T-44 became the forerunner of the postwar Soviet tank family instead ... Still its a very scary beast indeed :D :eek:

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- 8/28/2002 11:17:48 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Egg_Shen
[B]so what is the diff. between a Js-2 and a Js-3? [/B][/QUOTE]

Quite a lot, especially if you look at the turret..I recall some fierce discussions about what would be the correct slope to be used in the OOB.. :)

Some info: http://www.skalman.nu/soviet/ww2-equipment-tank-is2.htm
and http://www.skalman.nu/soviet/ww2-equipment-tank-is3.htm

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- 8/29/2002 10:25:08 AM

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Here's more info and pictures on the IS-2 and IS-3 at my web site:

[URL=http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/ussr/is.html]http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/ussr/is.html[/URL]

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- 8/29/2002 7:46:12 PM

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An interesting comparison: the JS3 and the Pz IV h/j in the background.

[IMG]http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/ussr/is3_02.jpg[/IMG]

I believe this is at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland.

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- 8/30/2002 4:48:06 AM

Heide

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Yeah, that's APG. I have several (relatively poor quality) photos I took there when I was working for DOD back in '95.

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- 8/30/2002 4:51:43 PM

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