Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

It's a Finnish division to make the no attack line limitations apply, as otherwise it would be able to attack across it.

It was reassigned to the 20. Gebirgsarmee that was at the time trying to get to Murmansk in Febraury 1942, which moves it off the game map.

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It's a Finnish division to make the no attack line limitations apply, as otherwise it would be able to attack across it.

It was reassigned to the 20. Gebirgsarmee that was at the time trying to get to Murmansk in Febraury 1942, which moves it off the game map.

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163.D did not get assigned to Lappland until 5/42 (15.5-42).

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ORIGINAL: Pertti


The mission for 163.D was to attack towards Tikhvin over river Svir after AG Nord gets there. When AG Nord started their attack towards Tikhvin in November, Mannerheim order Finnish 11.D to prepare to assist 163.d in their attack since
German division was not expected to fulfill its mission without Finnish troops (Finnish evaluation of the quality of 163.D was "Shaky, not to be used for demanding operations without Finnish troops"). When AG Nord reached Tikhvin on 10.11 -41 (November!) order was given for the whole Karelia Army to prepare for supporting 163.D and Finnish 11.D for their drive to Tikhvin. That was put on hold by Mannerheim orders (Did he expected the Russian heavy counterattack because of Leningrad situation?) and when 8.12 Germans withdraw from Tikhvin, the assault was called off. 163.D did not get assigned to Lappland until 5/42 (15.5-42).

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there were no "stop-line" on Zhukov's planning map. I think it should be optional.

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ORIGINAL: Pertti

ComradeP don't sweat it, sometimes it is a real headache to get the information from varied sources. I lately use only 11 different books for Finnish Continuation war alone.

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there were no "stop-line" on Zhukov's planning map. I think it should be optional.

This is a tricky thing. As far as things go (Road to Leningrad scen.) computer pulls all troops from Petroskoi-Svir area before any Finnish troops are able to catch them. Maybe one solution is to requre Russian to have certain amount of CV facing Finnish troops or they can cross Svir. On the other hand, Finns did not (generally speaking) share the German idea of crusade against Bolshevism. Finns wanted just to get back the pre-Winter War borders. Going to Svir was stretching the troops "enthusiasm" for combat but since it was good defensive line, well.... As it is modelled in the game, going over Svir would have caused moral issues to units.
So, this is something I think needs to be kicked around for possible change.

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ORIGINAL: Offworlder

Actually I like the idea that the no cross line should be garrisoned with some real formations (not forts) by the Russians because otherwise the Finns will just walz through. I'm not sure if this could be implemented in the game though. Re this 'division', does the third regiment ever crop up to form the division? Or am I missing something?

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ORIGINAL: Navodchik

However, I think that when Russo-Finnish "Continuation War" ended in september 1944, it released huge amount of Soviet forces, who now were capable to fight against Germans. Does this show in the game in any way? I do not know the excact amount of troops, but it should be clear that with this "extra" manpower the struggle in the very end was made somewhat easier for Soviets...

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ORIGINAL: Pertti

I mentioned in one of the above posts that it was also political problem.
In addition, at the beginning of the war (6/41) Finns tied up to 16% of their total population to the war effort. According to international calculations 10% is the maximum that could be sustained by a nation without falling to pieces. By early -42, around February, the strain started to be too much and Finns had to downsize their military substancially. Therefore, after that date the front became pretty much static until summer -44.

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ORIGINAL: Klydon

Part of the issue is the rail line going across the Svir river is tied into the Finnish rail net when in fact this was not the case. The rail line comes down from Murmansk and served no real purpose to the Finns there from a logistics stand point of view.

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IF the rail road was correct in game as it was in the war, the Finns could not go much beyond the river and not have logistical issues. They had enough issues as it was trying to supply the troops on the river since no rail lines were available that were in the Finnish rail net.

Most any game I have seen involving the Eastern front has severe restrictions on the Finns, especially until Leningrad is in German hands. (Fire in the East has some great options involving the Finnish participation in the war). This game is no exception.

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Part of the issue is the rail line going across the Svir river is tied into the Finnish rail net when in fact this was not the case....IF the rail road was correct in game as it was in the war, the Finns could not go much beyond the river and not have logistical issues. They had enough issues as it was trying to supply the troops on the river since no rail lines were available that were in the Finnish rail net.

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The rail line comes down from Murmansk and served no real purpose to the Finns there from a logistics stand point of view.

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subsequently Finns build another rail-line during the war that went along the coast of Ladoga almost down to Svir river