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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 4:36:05 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 4:36:20 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 4:39:38 PM   
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For all you medical types out there, what is the mechanism by which soaking my damaged finger in warm salt water is good for it. I don't doubt that it is good, the soaking has helped. My question is why?


Salt kills germs. You had a germ infection.

Doubt that it was so much the antibiotic effect of the saline solution as it was:

1. "Wound irrigation". The solution to pollution is dilution. Irrigation of wounds (punctures, abscesses, lacerations, blah blah) is a time honored tradition. Get as much of the offending substance out of there as possible. Irrigation and debridement are typical ways of dealing with soft tissue injury and dead skin.

Tap water is OK, sterile saline better. You had something in between.

2. Osmotic effect. The high salt solution reduced some of the cellular swelling that injury promotes. "Dolor, Tumor and Color" are classic manifestations of injury / infection. Reducing the "tumor" (size) via a reversal of the swelling goes a long ways to reducing the pain (Dolor) and congestion (Color).

3. Since you received some an antibiotic in your keister (as well as the oral Abs), the antibiotics are likely having a systemic affect that you may be attributing to your wound management. Parenteral (read shots) antibiotics generally have much more rapid absorption than oral ABs. If the AB is matched well with the offending infectious organism, it's not uncommon to have some relief in less than 24 hours.

Them's my opinions...


Thank you, Sir. See a nice coherent answer to a coherent question.

I am also on 2 oral antibiotics for another 5 days.

It is getting better slowly.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 5:52:48 PM   
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For all you medical types out there, what is the mechanism by which soaking my damaged finger in warm salt water is good for it. I don't doubt that it is good, the soaking has helped. My question is why?


Salt kills germs. You had a germ infection.

Doubt that it was so much the antibiotic effect of the saline solution as it was:

1. "Wound irrigation". The solution to pollution is dilution. Irrigation of wounds (punctures, abscesses, lacerations, blah blah) is a time honored tradition. Get as much of the offending substance out of there as possible. Irrigation and debridement are typical ways of dealing with soft tissue injury and dead skin.

Tap water is OK, sterile saline better. You had something in between.

2. Osmotic effect. The high salt solution reduced some of the cellular swelling that injury promotes. "Dolor, Tumor and Color" are classic manifestations of injury / infection. Reducing the "tumor" (size) via a reversal of the swelling goes a long ways to reducing the pain (Dolor) and congestion (Color).

3. Since you received some an antibiotic in your keister (as well as the oral Abs), the antibiotics are likely having a systemic affect that you may be attributing to your wound management. Parenteral (read shots) antibiotics generally have much more rapid absorption than oral ABs. If the AB is matched well with the offending infectious organism, it's not uncommon to have some relief in less than 24 hours.

Them's my opinions...


Thank you, Sir. See a nice coherent answer to a coherent question.

I am also on 2 oral antibiotics for another 5 days.

It is getting better slowly.


...reminds me of my brother the financial planner...usually a jovial jokster...a 15 year old living in a 45 year old body until you mention stock options or Roth IRA, then he turns into Encyclopedia Brown and spews more gobbledy gook than you care to hear...

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 5:55:05 PM   
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Personal wtf moments in reading military history (started thinking about this last night when I saw something about #1 again):

1) Reading about Charles XII for the first time and finding out where Poltava was located. This is where the most important real estate in the Russo-Swedish war was? Really?

2) Walking the ground at Gettysburg and wondering why Lee ever thought Pickett's charge was a good idea. Lee was my military hero as a kid, seeing the site of Pickett's charge was like taking Old Yeller out back.

3) Seeing Nagumo's search plan for Midway, frantically going back to see how many planes KB had and thinking, you guessed it, wtf.

Feel free to add.


...sending Lex and Yorktown after the KB in my first WiTP game...

edit: +1 Gettysburg...the only place that makes me more emotional is the Arizona Memorial...

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 5:57:25 PM   
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Post "Black Swan" tithe. Very good movie. Surprisingly so. I dint think Hollyweird could pull that off anymore. She's not a great actress, but she played very well.


My son saw Black Swan. Said he liked it. Since he went with 5 girls I thought he was just brainwashed.

Then a good friend of mine went to see it with his wife. He is a sound fellow. He said he liked it.

Now you.

This must be a very good movie. Or else something sinister is going on.


i vote for the latter...wife unit just mentioned seeing this last night...

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 6:04:44 PM   
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Post "Black Swan" tithe. Very good movie. Surprisingly so. I dint think Hollyweird could pull that off anymore. She's not a great actress, but she played very well.


so she's filled out since being a Cleaner wannabe in The Professional? flipping thru channels the other day and caught that one again...Gary Oldman is one of my favorites...

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 6:19:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

Personal wtf moments in reading military history (started thinking about this last night when I saw something about #1 again):

1) Reading about Charles XII for the first time and finding out where Poltava was located. This is where the most important real estate in the Russo-Swedish war was? Really?

2) Walking the ground at Gettysburg and wondering why Lee ever thought Pickett's charge was a good idea. Lee was my military hero as a kid, seeing the site of Pickett's charge was like taking Old Yeller out back.

3) Seeing Nagumo's search plan for Midway, frantically going back to see how many planes KB had and thinking, you guessed it, wtf.

Feel free to add.

Warspite1

- Italy's decision to invade Greece in October and Regia Marina's naval plans
- Sending Force Z to the Far East/Not reinforcing Malaya and Singapore with any modern aircraft or tanks
- French Saar offensive in 1940
- US declining the offer of DD tanks for D-Day
- Just about every decision made by Japanese commanders in WWII
- Hermann Goering? Why?


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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 6:36:37 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 6:42:06 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.

Warspite1

Yes, I should have referred to the Hobart's Funnies generally - thanks.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 6:44:05 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.

Warspite1

Yes, I should have referred to the Hobart's Funnies generally - thanks.


Stil, another good wtf moment.

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LOG! - 1/7/2011 7:27:29 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.


and some high level movers and shakers (including Patton) declined to support pushing forward the deployment of the T-26....it being felt the Sherman would be the more mobile of the two.



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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 7:37:00 PM   
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2. Hess' peace mission to Britain.
3. Hitler unilaterally declaring war on the US on December 11, 1941.
4. The Japanese development of balloon bombs as strategic weapons and shelling of oil installations on the West coast.




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RE: LOG! - 1/7/2011 8:38:22 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.


and some high level movers and shakers (including Patton) declined to support pushing forward the deployment of the T-26....it being felt the Sherman would be the more mobile of the two.




Odd, Patton would have been privy to a lot of post-Kasserine reports when he took over II Corps and seen the relative effectiveness of the Sherman during NA and Sicily. Maybe he still believed in the tank vs. inf, tank-destroyer vs. tank theory. Actually, I call that another wtf moment.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 8:38:43 PM   
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As a director I would have suggested that nudity play a major role in the film. Still pretty good tho.

Full frontal nudity? Hooray!


Only of women.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 8:39:45 PM   
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1. Repeated assaults into the meat grinder of the Hurtgen is my US WTF moment...
2. Hess' peace mission to Britain.
3. Hitler unilaterally declaring war on the US on December 11, 1941.
4. The Japanese development of balloon bombs as strategic weapons and shelling of oil installations on the West coast.





1. No idea what Bradley was thinking. Good one.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 8:41:34 PM   
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As a director I would have suggested that nudity play a major role in the film. Still pretty good tho.

Full frontal nudity? Hooray!


Only of women.


Agreed. Pet peeve: the 'N' warning MUST be changed to 'FN' or 'MN' as appropriate. It can have a direct effect on whether or not I want to watch a film.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 8:43:37 PM   
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2) Walking the ground at Gettysburg and wondering why Lee ever thought Pickett's charge was a good idea. Lee was my military hero as a kid, seeing the site of Pickett's charge was like taking Old Yeller out back.


Relatedly, standing on top of Little Round Top and looking down into the gap towards Big Round Top and wondering how on earth Hood got as close as he did to taking it.


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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 8:45:06 PM   
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As a director I would have suggested that nudity play a major role in the film. Still pretty good tho.

Full frontal nudity? Hooray!


Only of women.

I thought you extraterrestrials didn't have such artificial and externally differentiable constructs as 'men' and 'women'. Don't tell me you're forgetting the differences, little red dude?

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 8:52:42 PM   
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2) Walking the ground at Gettysburg and wondering why Lee ever thought Pickett's charge was a good idea. Lee was my military hero as a kid, seeing the site of Pickett's charge was like taking Old Yeller out back.


Relatedly, standing on top of Little Round Top and looking down into the gap towards Big Round Top and wondering how on earth Hood got as close as he did to taking it.



Wish I would have taken the time to go up there. I need a smiley for 'kicks self in ass'.

Hood had a lot of faults and missing appendages but he was a mover and shaker at div. and below.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 8:58:46 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 9:05:14 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 9:19:44 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 9:56:29 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.

i saw a reconstruction of this not too long ago... it turns out they did things right (i.e. - as they had trained), but the planners miscalculated the current. The DD tanks kept steering for a particular landmark (a steeple) but the current kept pushing them off course... they kept correcting, and pretty soon they had corrected so much that they were broadside to the wave action, and got swamped.

They had conducted several landings on the British coast, but the practice site did not have the cross-current of the Omaha beach area.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 9:58:03 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:00:40 PM   
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Iirc the US declined the 'funnies' for DDay but they did use dd tanks. Unfortunately, for the Omaha beach landing contingent they released them too far from the beach and they sank.

i saw a reconstruction of this not too long ago... it turns out they did things right (i.e. - as they had trained), but the planners miscalculated the current. The DD tanks kept steering for a particular landmark (a steeple) but the current kept pushing them off course... they kept correcting, and pretty soon they had corrected so much that they were broadside to the wave action, and got swamped.

They had conducted several landings on the British coast, but the practice site did not have the cross-current of the Omaha beach area.


I think I remember seeing that as well. Iirc they dove on one of the sunken tanks during the episode.

Given how thoroughly researched the plan and the area was its kinda hard to believe they missed the presence/effects of the current on dd tanks.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:04:35 PM   
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OK - a question for the forumites... is it an "old German tradition" that MEN also get engagement rings? Inquiring minds want to know!!


I'll say no. Germans have never seemed too jewelry obsessed to me. The lederhosen on the other hand . . .

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:07:44 PM   
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OK - a question for the forumites... is it an "old German tradition" that MEN also get engagement rings? Inquiring minds want to know!!


I'll say no. Germans have never seemed too jewelry obsessed to me. The lederhosen on the other hand . . .

i'd never heard of such a thing, but i figure we have more European types to weigh in on the matter...

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:07:57 PM   
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As a director I would have suggested that nudity play a major role in the film. Still pretty good tho.

Full frontal nudity? Hooray!


Only of women.

I thought you extraterrestrials didn't have such artificial and externally differentiable constructs as 'men' and 'women'. Don't tell me you're forgetting the differences, little red dude?


All the ones in this galaxy do.

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RE: THE THREAD !!! - 1/7/2011 10:10:08 PM   
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OK - a question for the forumites... is it an "old German tradition" that MEN also get engagement rings? Inquiring minds want to know!!


Not a "tradition" per se in Denmark, though it does happen, especially if it's the woman that does the proposing.

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