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PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 2:00:03 AM   
abulbulian


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Status: offline 		OMG, just when I thought maybe the worse was over, then I get to turn #8. Also, what is going on such that Rundstedt is no where in my leaders pool? He was dismissed, not shot? Thought he'd show up. Funny, but sad, part is that Von Bock who was himself dismissed few turns back from AGS took his spot. The leaders issues continue to kill me one turn at a time.





I know this was tested, but is it just really bad luck that I've had 2 Army Group Commanders dismissed by the start of August 1941? I know testers had much on their plate or maybe this is recent regression bug. I just had to play two games to see that this was a serious issue for WitE. Sorry, but just a bit down since I've put a lot into my game so far and then get hit with this. I know people working hard to make it better...any chance for a patch this weekend or early next week? Even though this happened, I'll be strong and continue to enjoy what really is a great game!



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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 2:38:30 AM   
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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 2:44:42 AM   
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I saw that post, just hoping maybe it could be a bit sooner. I understand there is a process in place to release these patches which sometimes can consume extra time even when code is ready. I'll try and be patient in the meantime.


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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 3:28:42 AM   
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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 7:01:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nope. He went to France... for good

Seriously. This general issue can be a real deal breaker. I mean for example the Italians get one decent general Messe. I had him dismissed or killed, I forgot, but hey this guy is simply irreplacable. The same applies to the few other decent minor axis allied generals.

The Germans at least have a lot of decent generals and I believe they do get additional ones as the war goes on. But still, the waste of APs is a real pain in the butt, especially if you have the omni present Sodenstern becoming the next commander of a Panzer Group that is trying to encircle Moscow...

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 10:00:06 AM   
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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 5:44:37 PM   
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Good grief, you're complaining that this has happened in TWO games??? If you can show that it has happened in FIFTY games, then you might have half a leg to stand on...


I don't think you understand the concept about what I was suggesting. There were other posts about leaderships changes to come. End result is Joel and Gary have agreed that no dismissals for Germans will occur prior to 12/15/41. Here's the link to the upcoming patch look at #7.

They agreed that even a chance of a dismissal for a top German general early in the game should never occur.

IMO, I find your reply to my post confrontation and with no merit to this forum. I was sharing my experience and thoughts about how significant this situation would be, even if it happened ONCE to anybody.

Please don't treat this forum as your avenue to post petty personal attacks about somebody's attempt to sharing gaming experiences. The forum is about making suggestions and sharing experiences in WitE, not attacking somebody at the level you attempted.


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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 5:48:13 PM   
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It is stupid to complain about something that is being fixed.


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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 5:51:47 PM   
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Nope. He went to France... for good

Seriously. This general issue can be a real deal breaker. I mean for example the Italians get one decent general Messe. I had him dismissed or killed, I forgot, but hey this guy is simply irreplacable. The same applies to the few other decent minor axis allied generals.

The Germans at least have a lot of decent generals and I believe they do get additional ones as the war goes on. But still, the waste of APs is a real pain in the butt, especially if you have the omni present Sodenstern becoming the next commander of a Panzer Group that is trying to encircle Moscow...



Yes! Why is good old Georg von Sodenstern seemingly omnipresent?

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 7:52:20 PM   
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It is stupid to complain about something that is being fixed.



Too bad that doesn't keep people from doing so... SOME people...

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 7:52:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Offworlder

Nope. He went to France... for good

Seriously. This general issue can be a real deal breaker. I mean for example the Italians get one decent general Messe. I had him dismissed or killed, I forgot, but hey this guy is simply irreplacable. The same applies to the few other decent minor axis allied generals.

The Germans at least have a lot of decent generals and I believe they do get additional ones as the war goes on. But still, the waste of APs is a real pain in the butt, especially if you have the omni present Sodenstern becoming the next commander of a Panzer Group that is trying to encircle Moscow...



Yes! Why is good old Georg von Sodenstern seemingly omnipresent?


Coz for some reason if someone at army or corps level gets dismissed, lo and behold, here comes Sodenstern!!!! I think he's got a high political rating. So I just send him to one of rear commands when I have APs to spare...

Maybe it's just in my games and thankfully its being tackled by the devs

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 8:01:58 PM   
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It is stupid to complain about something that is being fixed.



Too bad that doesn't keep people from doing so... SOME people...



yes, I've been down that road. have already apologized to those. But from now on I'm going to make sure my post are rooted at assisting those who care to make the game better.

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/8/2011 8:02:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's "sad"? I'll tell you what's really sad. On my first PBEM turn (obviously as Soviet) I ASSASSINATED Vassilevsky... using the HQ Relocate thing to make his HQ leave the almost Lvov pocket. Now that's sad ... ... am I crying? Nope

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 2:54:01 PM   
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It is stupid to complain about something that is being fixed.



Heres why maybe you've heard of it. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. If you let someone know it's really effecting you then sometimes you might help get a patch pushed out faster. Perhaps even get to try a patch that is supposed to fix the issue. Like my mother used to say if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 2:56:33 PM   
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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 2:57:16 PM   
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That's "sad"? I'll tell you what's really sad. On my first PBEM turn (obviously as Soviet) I ASSASSINATED Vassilevsky... using the HQ Relocate thing to make his HQ leave the almost Lvov pocket. Now that's sad ... ... am I crying? Nope


Nothing to cry about on that front. If a german (or soviet) HQ gets circled early in the game and has to use the relocation option to jump through enemy lines. You should have a chance your general dies. Nothing to complain about if that german/soviet general dies.
That is a completely separate issue then leader dismissals.


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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 2:57:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		And whining troublemakers should never be able to get patches out faster. They'll whine even louder if the patch comes out too fast and doesn't "solve" their pet "issue".

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 2:57:37 PM   
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It is stupid to complain about something that is being fixed.



Too bad that doesn't keep people from doing so... SOME people...


Snarky alert!!!

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 4:37:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bwheatley


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ORIGINAL: Terminus


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It is stupid to complain about something that is being fixed.



Too bad that doesn't keep people from doing so... SOME people...


Snarky alert!!!


Not sure what that means, but that is at least consistent for this thread.

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 5:19:15 PM   
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And whining troublemakers should never be able to get patches out faster. They'll whine even louder if the patch comes out too fast and doesn't "solve" their pet "issue".


The only person i'd consider a trouble maker is someone talking about a game who didn't pay money for it. If someone paid they have as much right to say their peace. Someone has as much right to talk about things that frustrate them as you do to come in and start calling them "troublemakers". That being said yes there are always going to be people who will complain high and low about anything and everything. Knowing ara for a few years now he's not one of those people.
We all get frustrated and vent on the boards at times. We all sometimes might even be snarky to one another at times. But most people will always apologize and move on.
He just wants the game to be better. We've both put a few weeks into playing the GC in PBEM. Since the game has launched the forums have done a good job of making it out to be that the soviets can get into berlin in 1943. I'm not bringing up that debate now since it still rages. But i'm simply illustrating the midset of an axis player. Now as ara is playing the axis i can understand the frustration when you lose one of your top generals and he simply disappears. Doesn't say he's executed but he's gone.

So not only do you come into the game having this thought in the back of your head that you have to play perfectly if you want any chance of winning but then a game bug eats one of your leaders. I can empathise with that. I think anyone who really sits and thinks it through can see where ara is coming from.

You being a long time witp as well term you should know how frustrating it can be. :) You owned the launch version of witp right? I mean it was a night and day difference between witp and witp:ae. The final patch to original witp was still a far way better then launch day witp. Even UV and witp saw a ton of improvements. That stuff only comes about when "trouble makers" push for things.

I hope i didn't come across as a jerk because i'm trying to be respectful. If not sorry we can hug it out later. <3

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 6:30:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		The games werent improved because of people whining, it was improved because people contributed constructively (in comments and suggestions) to game mechanics.. and playtested it.... We dont need a negative atmosphere...

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 9:49:44 PM   
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Who breeds these little trolls? We need to find the mother ship and sink it for sure.


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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 10:13:39 PM   
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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/9/2011 10:33:07 PM   
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That's "sad"? I'll tell you what's really sad. On my first PBEM turn (obviously as Soviet) I ASSASSINATED Vassilevsky... using the HQ Relocate thing to make his HQ leave the almost Lvov pocket. Now that's sad ... ... am I crying? Nope


Nothing to cry about on that front. If a german (or soviet) HQ gets circled early in the game and has to use the relocation option to jump through enemy lines. You should have a chance your general dies. Nothing to complain about if that german/soviet general dies.
That is a completely separate issue then leader dismissals.


bwheatley, I DID laugh when that happened to me

And no, you only know half of the story Vassilevsky was NOT the boss of that Corps HQ in the Lvov salient. Another guy was in charge... I FIRST assassinated that other guy (with the relocate thing). So ONCE I managed to kill that poor soul the STAVKA automatically assigned another vict... er, guy to that Corps HQ. Er... Vassilevsky, a top ace... that did not stop me from assassinating him too So it was not the game's fault. It was MY fault (my first PBEM turn, a total NOOB, etc.)

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/10/2011 12:41:24 AM   
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The games werent improved because of people whining, it was improved because people contributed constructively (in comments and suggestions) to game mechanics.. and playtested it.... We dont need a negative atmosphere...



Well the problem with this interpretation is that 'somebody' labeled my initial post as whining. This was totally incorrect and IMO just somebody trying to attack me at a personal level rather than actually trying to understand what I was attempting to convey. Look back to my initial post. I clearly documented (w/screen shot) my encountered issue. Sure I was a bit frustrated, after almost 40hrs playing this game there's an emotional attachment. Not going to apologize for that. What I did was to get this issue documented and have been told by developers it was correct and they have now implement a new rule to correct this behavior in the next patch.


So I'd say mission accomplished by this post. I think what should be said is 'closed mouths don't get feed'.

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/10/2011 12:57:17 AM   
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How many times has Joel told you that they are making fix that no German leader dismissal will occur before December? At least TWICE by my count. Yet you still are whining about it.

That is why you are a troll.



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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/10/2011 1:31:12 AM   
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How many times has Joel told you that they are making fix that no German leader dismissal will occur before December? At least TWICE by my count. Yet you still are whining about it.

That is why you are a troll.





Once again Mynok is showing his immaturity. Thing is you're wrong. It was abulbulian's post that prompted the change about leader dismissals and/or added some level of priority to it. There had been other posts about leaders dying to frequent and that formula had been talked about being adjusted too.

What is the matter with you that you need to keep making attempts to insult people?

If possible I think people like Mynok that don't contribute at any significant level should just be banned. Nobody respects people that use this forum to just throw out insults. Can't you control yourself?

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/10/2011 1:38:04 AM   
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It was abulbulian's post that prompted the change about leader dismissals and/or added some level of priority to it.

Notice the past tense on that sentence.

The problem isn't that he's pointing out an issue, the problem is that he's pointing out an issue that's already been acknowledged and addressed.

Even if we grant that trolling is too strong a word, at best the thread is unproductive.

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/10/2011 1:41:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're wrong the leadership dismissal change had not been added to change until after posts. Look at some of the threads. Why do you jump on here with no facts.

It was the leaders dying that had been discussed and changes in motion. The thread was productive. Just ask Joel if you don't believe me.

And who the heck do you think you are trying to say who should or shouldn't start a thread? Do you have some sort of God complex? He paid his money and posted a serious concern and documented it. What is not productive is your post trying to be negative and with nothing to back it up.

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RE: PATCH PLEASE... makes me sad - 1/10/2011 1:43:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		As someone who frequents these matrix forums this makes me sad. Usually its pretty congenial in here. OP made his concerns for the current state of then game known. Whats the problem with that. Nothing imo. No need to jump down this guys throat for it.

Hope progress goes well on the patch for these issues. As it is to frustating for me to continue current game. Leaders dieing way to frequent and Guderian getting replaced in July in my newest game. All in all a gem of a game. Even the worlds best diamonds have flaws in them.

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