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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/6/2011 5:41:40 PM

castor troy

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 24, 44
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Sub attack near Bandjermasin at 62,101

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze
DD Tawakaze

Allied Ships
SS KXI

SS KXI launches 2 torpedoes at DD Hakaze
DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

KXI tonight gets a shot at the tanker convoy but misses the destroyer...
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ASW attack near Bandjermasin at 62,101

Japanese Ships
DD Tawakaze

Allied Ships
SS KXI, hits 1

SS KXI is sighted by escort
KXI bottoming out ....
DD Tawakaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tawakaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Tawakaze is out of ASW ammo
DD Tawakaze is out of ASW ammo
DD Tawakaze is out of ASW ammo
DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

and then takes a hit in shallow water, 18 sys 31 flt... pretty unsuccesful patrol...

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Sub attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 63,77

Japanese Ships
xAK Kyokko Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PB Eiko Maru
SC Ch 16
TK Dairetsu Maru
xAK Teisen Maru
xAK Meiu Maru
xAK Yamabuki Maru
xAK Tamaki Maru
xAK Oregon Maru
E W-14
PB Ogashima
PB Tatsumiya Maru

Allied Ships
SS Jack

SS Jack launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Kyokko Maru
E W-14 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Tatsumiya Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
E W-14 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Jack sends a freighter to hell...

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ASW attack near Bataan at 77,77

Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Haguro
CA Myoko
DD Katsutade
DD Tadeshiwa
DD Arare
DD Yamagumo

Allied Ships
SS Searaven, hits 2

SS Searaven is sighted by escort
DD Katsutade fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Tadeshiwa fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Arare fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yamagumo attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

Searaven being knocked out is worth the intel that the enemy got a heavy cruiser squadron in the Philipines... the sub takes 11 sys 31 flt 2 eng...

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4668 troops, 149 guns, 310 vehicles, Assault Value = 1405

Defending force 10436 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 178

Allied adjusted assault: 102

Japanese adjusted defense: 311

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
86 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 47 (40 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Tank Battalion
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
767th Tank Battalion
2nd Australian Division
1st Australian Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
4th Australian Division
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
143rd USA Base Force
249th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
23rd Air Flotilla
12th Base Force
58th Field AA Battalion
35th JNAF AF Unit

damn, one of the tank units was still on deliberate attack with the artillery units being on bombard... what did the tank unit lose? motorized support only, which is implying that the trucks were leading the attack on the enemy lines... funny ground war...

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/6/2011 7:00:19 PM

castor troy

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 25, 44
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ASW attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 64,77

Japanese Ships
PB Taiko Maru
SC Ch 32
TK Palembang Maru
TK Marifu Maru
TK Okigawa Maru
DD Murakumo
DD Isonami
E Saishu

Allied Ships
SS Raton

SS Raton is sighted by escort
Raton diving deep ....
DD Murakumo fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Isonami fails to find sub and abandons search
E Saishu fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Saishu fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Saishu fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Saishu fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Saishu fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

meeting another tanker convoy but no success...

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *

CAP engaged:
261 Ku S-2 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 17 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes

using Manado�s level 9 airfield complex to full success now, we can attack every base on Mindanao and also the whole South and South East coast of Borneo... we�ll soon deny the enemy of more than 50% of Borneo�s oil fields... as it stands now, there are only small garissons at Balikpapan, Samarinda and Tarakan so knocking out the airfields won�t be that hard I guess... the Corsairs get the dive and wreck havoc within the scrambling Zekes...

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *

CAP engaged:
261 Ku S-2 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 73 minutes

the Zekes long have become absolutely helpless against my Corsairs, I wouldn�t even bother if Rainer would produce 1000 of them per month, it seems it wouldn�t make any difference, the more he sends up, the more are shot down...

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 42

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

as long as the sweeps show up before the bombers everything works just well for us...

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *

two Corsair squadrons follow the piece meal bomber strikes though...

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1269 troops, 117 guns, 91 vehicles, Assault Value = 1408

Defending force 9852 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 170

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Australian Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd Australian Division
767th Tank Battalion
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
4th Australian Division
143rd USA Base Force
249th Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
134th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
58th Field AA Battalion
23rd Air Flotilla
12th Base Force
35th JNAF AF Unit

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/6/2011 7:03:52 PM

castor troy

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if anyone wants to see any special screenshots, any demands are welcome...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 26, 44
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ASW attack near Groot Natoena at 60,79

Japanese Ships
E Ukishima
PB Tomitu Maru
AO Ashizuri
AO Shioya
TK Azuchisan Maru
TK Namba Maru
TK Batopaha Maru
TK Kinmon Maru
TK Fukko Maru
DD Matsukaze
E Takashima
E Hoko

Allied Ships
SS Stingray, hits 3

SS Stingray is sighted by escort
DD Matsukaze attacking submerged sub ....
E Takashima fails to find sub and abandons search
E Hoko fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Matsukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Hoko fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Matsukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Matsukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Stingray is driven off by a heavy escort and retires with 9 sys 11 flt...

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Sub attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 62,77

Japanese Ships
E Kyosai
E Ukishima
AO Ashizuri
AO Shioya
TK Azuchisan Maru
TK Namba Maru
TK Batopaha Maru
TK Mutsuyo Maru
TK Kinmon Maru
TK Fukko Maru
DD Matsukaze
E Takashima
E Hoko

Allied Ships
SS Trout, hits 1

SS Trout launches 6 torpedoes at E Kyosai
Trout diving deep ....
DD Matsukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Takashima attacking submerged sub ....
E Hoko fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Matsukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Takashima fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Matsukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Matsukaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Matsukaze cannot establish contact with SS Trout
DD Matsukaze cannot reach attack position over SS Trout
DD Matsukaze cannot establish contact with SS Trout
SS Trout eludes ASW attack from DD Matsukaze
DD Matsukaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Matsukaze loses contact with SS Trout
DD Matsukaze cannot reach attack position over SS Trout
DD Matsukaze loses contact with SS Trout
SS Trout eludes ASW attack from DD Matsukaze
Escort abandons search for sub

then Trout operates against the same convoy but senselessly attacks one of the escorts and misses... at least she doesn�t sustain heavy damage...

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Sub attack near Balabac at 70,83

Japanese Ships
DD Shinonome
DD Minazuki
DD Uzuki

Allied Ships
SS Pogy

SS Pogy launches 6 torpedoes at DD Shinonome
Pogy bottoming out ....
DD Minazuki fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Uzuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1299 troops, 117 guns, 93 vehicles, Assault Value = 1419

Defending force 9358 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 172

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
1st Australian Division
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
2nd Australian Division
767th Tank Battalion
4th Australian Division
4th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
226th Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
58th Field AA Battalion
23rd Air Flotilla
12th Base Force
35th JNAF AF Unit

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/6/2011 7:16:29 PM

castor troy

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 27, 44
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ASW attack near Busuanga at 77,81

Japanese Ships
DD Hayate
DD Hatakaze
DD Asanagi

Allied Ships
SS Truculent

SS Truculent is located by DD Hayate
Truculent diving deep ....
DD Asanagi fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Hayate fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hayate fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hayate fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hayate attacking submerged sub ....
DD Hayate cannot establish contact with SS Truculent
DD Hayate cannot establish contact with SS Truculent
DD Hayate fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Busuanga at 77,81

Japanese Ships
DD Hayate, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatakaze
DD Asanagi

Allied Ships
SS Truculent

SS Truculent launches 6 torpedoes at DD Hayate
Truculent diving deep ....
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi attacking submerged sub ....
DD Asanagi cannot reach attack position over SS Truculent
SS Truculent eludes ASW attack from DD Asanagi
SS Truculent eludes DD Asanagi by diving deep
SS Truculent eludes ASW attack from DD Asanagi
Escort abandons search for sub

now that was a lucky one... guess all these attacks on escorts results in total in 40% heavily damaged subs, 10% subs sunk and 2% escorts hit... how much would I give for a toggle to keep my subs attacking escorts...

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Sub attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 65,77

Japanese Ships
E W-1
SC Ch 51
SC Ch 15
SC Ch 13
TK Toshikawa Maru
TK Kyokuyo Maru
TK Rokkosan Maru
TK Kikusui Maru
TK Ogura Maru #2
E W-28
E Susuki

Allied Ships
SS Trout

SS Trout launches 4 torpedoes at E W-1
E W-28 fails to find sub and abandons search
E W-1 fails to find sub and abandons search
E Susuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Susuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Susuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Susuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Susuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Trout attacks a second time a tanker convoy in two days but also a second time one of the E...

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 45
N1K1-J George x 2

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
254 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 28 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes

ordered lots of fighter squadrons to sweep Cagayan today in front of our B-24 plastering the base... we had intel about lots of fighters, I was glad to see them mostly being Zekes... the first squadron of Corsairs was hit quite hard though due to facing 2.5:1 odds as we get the usual "funny" way our fighter squadrons fighting their own private war against the Japanese...

this squadron lost 6 Corsairs in the end with 4 pilots MIA/KIA... most of the Zekes were only damaged this time...
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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 19
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
254 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500 , scrambling fighters to 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters to 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes

the first sweep took out 50% of the Cap and the second sweep gets a long dive and shreds the enemy for light losses...

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 66 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes

the fourth squadron then finally clears the sky...

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet

thank god the Lightnings are the ones to show up as the last as they usually can�t compete with the Corsair squadrons even though the P-38 are flown by superior pilots...

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Morning Air attack on Kendari , at 70,106

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 22
PV-1 Ventura x 66

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 92

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

training strike... not sure these Ventura squadrons will ever get the chance to drop bombs on enemy ships... the whole IJN is hiding somewhere... at some point Rainer will have missed his last chance to do some severe damage at acceptable cost, but this is pretty much mirroring real life...

he seems to be waiting for the decisive battle but he already faces pretty much bad odds IMO...

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Morning Air attack on Kendari , at 70,106

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 9

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Kendari , at 70,106

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 9

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 64

Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground
H6K5 Mavis: 2 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 84

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

here comes the hammer...

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 46

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

not as much destroyed on the ground as I have been hoping for...

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
H6K5 Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
H6K5 Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground
H6K5 Mavis: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sangi at 77,97

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
LCT-180
LCT-161
LCT-361
PT-42

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 plane(s) with no ordnance
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
13 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
475th FG/432nd FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Raid is overhead

the enemy is using Zekes to attack my LCT convoys but they are met by two P-47 leaking out from Manado... only one Zeke shot down but they all miss the LCT... Sangi is going to be built up to provide a fighter strip closer to Mindanao...

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1315 troops, 117 guns, 93 vehicles, Assault Value = 1421

Defending force 8912 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 170

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
767th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
1st Australian Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
2nd Australian Division
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
4th Australian Division
4th Field Artillery Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
97th Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
23rd Air Flotilla
58th Field AA Battalion
12th Base Force
35th JNAF AF Unit

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/6/2011 7:24:30 PM

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Posts: 14330
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 28, 44
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Sub attack near Balabac at 69,83

Japanese Ships
E Uruyame
xAK Kenzan Maru
xAK Nanko Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Zinzan Maru
DD Minekaze

Allied Ships
SS Stingray

SS Stingray launches 4 torpedoes at E Uruyame
DD Minekaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Uruyame fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Minekaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

while the number of my subs in total is still increasing, they�ve long passed their time of being effective... absolutely a parrallel to real life Kriegsmarine during early 44...

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ASW attack near Balabac at 70,83

Japanese Ships
DD Shinonome
DD Minazuki
DD Uzuki

Allied Ships
SS Bluegill, hits 7

SS Bluegill is located by DD Shinonome
Bluegill bottoming out ....
DD Minazuki fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Uzuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Uzuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Uzuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Uzuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Uzuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Uzuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Uzuki is out of ASW ammo
DD Uzuki is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub

SS Bluegill didn�t even reach patrol zone, 13 sys 15 flt... SS Bashaw is hit twice by air ASW today: 95/50/10, sinks at the end of the turn...

hello, my name is Karl D�nitz...

the next two or three months I will closely take a look at what my subs actually achieve, then I will probably decide to order them all back to port as it seems to be totally senseless to use them...

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1323 troops, 117 guns, 93 vehicles, Assault Value = 1423

Defending force 8573 troops, 100 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 172

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
1st Australian Division
767th Tank Battalion
2nd Australian Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
4th Australian Division
249th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
134th Field Artillery Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
58th Field AA Battalion
12th Base Force
23rd Air Flotilla
35th JNAF AF Unit

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/7/2011 2:34:20 PM

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Posts: 14330
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 29, 44
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Sub attack near Puerto Princesa at 71,78

Japanese Ships
TK Toan Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 12
SC Ch 4
TK Mirii Maru
TK Ryoei Maru
TK Kumanoyama
PB Muroran Maru
PB Myoken Maru

Allied Ships
SS Billfish

SS Billfish launches 4 torpedoes at TK Toan Maru
Billfish diving deep ....
PB Muroran Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Myoken Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Muroran Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Muroran Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Muroran Maru attacking submerged sub ....
PB Muroran Maru cannot establish contact with SS Billfish
PB Muroran Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Muroran Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

well done here, convoys without E or DD usually are easy prey for the subs so I don�t understand why I see some xAK convoys being escorted by E but this tanker convoy seems to completely miss them...

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ASW attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 69,72

Japanese Ships
E No.1
E No.10
E No.9

Allied Ships
SS Puffer, hits 16, on fire, heavy damage

SS Puffer is located by E No.1
E No.10 fails to find sub and abandons search
E No.9 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.9 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.9 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.9 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.9 attacking submerged sub ....
Large oil slick appears over area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub

sunk...

well, these E "No.x" are the new ones that are coming out of the shipyards in 44... there were some complaints about them on the forum already from ppl that have reached later war times (not a common happening anyway) and I can only agree... these vessels sure look historical correct, but their performance couldn�t be any more ahistorical... with an ASW value of 14 and a DC mount dropping 12 DCs at once they are truly uber ASW weapons... the explanation of having more smaller mounts dropping more patterns being better than one big mount is just off or is obviously coming from people that perhaps know what should go on in the game in theory but they obviously never saw how these E actually work in the game... must be the same of what actually happens in the game in regards to A2A and what the dev thinks what should happen in theory... the enemy probably doesn�t have more than halve a dozen of these E No.x at the moment but the IJN will flood all areas with them in a couple of months at the latest and this will be the time when the Allied sub offensive will come to a complete halt (if not earlier as sub losses are insane already)... while looking good on paper, these ships just didn�t have the ability to sink Allied subs at will in real life, the devs know that, but this doesn�t mean these E would be showing any different performance than high experienced British DD... and they do this with experience levels BELOW 50... well tested indeed...

like I�ve said earlier, AE was a step forward also in sub war and ASW but this doesn�t mean we are close to reality now (not talking about different USE of ASW assets, but totally different performance of each individual ship class)... and this is what usually gets me upset, in WITP ppl just accepted the weaknesses of a GAME, since AE was released, ppl are now constantly stating how realistic every aspect of the game is... and that is just silly... it�s a game with a great map, and an excellent OOB but it�s not a sim...

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Sub attack near Torishima at 109,68

Japanese Ships
xAKL Takegawa Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Kinmo Maru
xAK Sansho Maru
xAK Kosei Maru
PB Kaiun Maru

Allied Ships
SS Herring

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS Herring launches 6 torpedoes at xAKL Takegawa Maru
Herring diving deep ....
PB Kaiun Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Kaiun Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Kaiun Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Kaiun Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Kaiun Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

sending a troop transport to the bottom...

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ASW attack near Balabac at 71,84

Japanese Ships
E Iki
E Wakamiya
E Shimushu
xAK Tokusima Maru
xAK Nitiai Maru
xAK Nitiyo Maru
xAK Morioka Maru
xAK Hakodate Maru
E Mikura
E Amakusa

Allied Ships
SS Lapon, hits 3

SS Lapon launches 6 torpedoes at E Iki
Lapon diving deep ....
E Mikura fails to find sub and abandons search
E Iki fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Amakusa fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Iki fails to find sub and abandons search
E Amakusa fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Amakusa attacking submerged sub ....
E Amakusa fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Amakusa attacking submerged sub ....
E Amakusa fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

thank god these are only "normal" E...

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Sub attack near Puerto Princesa at 74,84

Japanese Ships
xAK Zinzan Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Kenzan Maru
xAK Nanko Maru
xAK Syoto Maru
DD Minekaze
E Uruyame

Allied Ships
SS Narwhal, hits 13

SS Narwhal launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Zinzan Maru
Narwhal diving deep ....
DD Minekaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Uruyame attacking submerged sub ....
DD Minekaze fails to find sub and abandons search
E Uruyame attacking submerged sub ....
E Uruyame attacking submerged sub ....
E Uruyame attacking submerged sub ....
E Uruyame fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Uruyame fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Narwhal also kills a freighter today but suffers... 41 sys 42 flt means being in high danger of sinking...

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ASW attack near Pescadores at 85,62

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 52
TK Hoshin Maru
PB Spey Maru

Allied Ships
SS Steelhead

SS Steelhead is sighted by escort
PB Spey Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Spey Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Spey Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Spey Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Spey Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 69,72

Japanese Ships
PC Nire
DD Tadeyame
DD Myojinami

Allied Ships
SS Pogy, hits 1

SS Pogy is sighted by escort
Pogy diving deep ....
DD Tadeyame fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami attacking submerged sub ....
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 14
N1K1-J George x 6

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000
Raid is overhead
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
254 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
301 Ku S-2 with N1K1-J George (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes

no dive for the Corsairs and the eneny losses are within reasonable numbers...

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
N1K1-J George x 2

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
301 Ku S-2 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41000 , scrambling fighters to 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 36900.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 6

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet
3 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

great, now the Corsair squadrons seem to suffer the same "we lose three fighters on the way to the target syndrom"...

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Dinagat at 82,87

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Yamayuri Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Brasil Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

9 out of 48 PB4Y-1 manage to get to the target, the rest all had "failed to link up" or "fail due to range or weather" which is hardcoded for LBA strikes against ships... two freighters are sent to hell by the 9 bombers and both seem to have carried troops... guess the enemy will soon stop his reinforcement attempts of Mindanao... at the moment, there are some 80 enemy units on the island...

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 92
P-38J Lightning x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged

Airbase hits 10
Runway hits 65

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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and here�s what I call one of the silly results the air routine is bringing up near constantly...

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 64,97

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 9
N1K1-J George x 14

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 74
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hokaze
DD Tawakaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
24 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *
6 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *
8 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
253 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead

ok, you probably are going to ask why... why? because the 74 P-38J that are flown by the best pilots available to the USAAF are shot to pieces by 23 enemy fighters as they lose no less than 22 P-38... the P-38 are set to escort, well, they show up with the bombers but the game treats them as sweep (would that be an advantage then???

), probably the usual coordination silliness (yes, I don�t care about altitude as it just doesn�t matter as coordination is something I call "screwed by design")... what happens then? Do I even have to say the enemy had the never ending dive? The strike was picked up by radar, resulting in 16 min pre warning for the Japanese fighters which are set to 6000ft... the George unit shows up with "Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes"... and then I can watch the replay with the Japanese fighters diving and diving and diving and diving and diving until the point I thought, heck, this GAME is so silly, why not using a board game where all aircraft are the same and the higher dice wins... Lightning after Lightning was sent home burning and nearly two dozen crashed... the Lightnings were able to take down one Zero and damage two Georges... yeah, air to air routines are a masterpiece of computer programming for sure... the flying circus of Lightnings outnumbered the enemy 3.5:1, they had the better aircraft, they had a tactical advantage (height anyone?) and the had overall better pilots as my flying circus didn�t meet two enemy expert units... but hey, why should that mean the game could come up with at least a somewhat reasonable result? It can�t because it�s borked... unfortunately... means the enemy achieves a 22:1 kill rate here...

I�m not going as far as saying that this is a usual result, but one thing is for sure, with all the weaknesses of WITP air combat, you still get LESS totally unreasonable results like these totally silly loops in AE very often... in WITP you could get reasonable, realistic kill rates and this depended on numbers, ac type and pilot exp... when looking at your force and the enemy�s before an engagement, you usually could expect an outcome good or bad for you... in AE, I have no clue what reasonable factors you should look at because there just isn�t anything reasonable as soon as you leave the early war stages of 2 Zero daitais engaging one P-40 squadron it seems...

as a side note, I�m sure there are people around thinking this was a perfectly realistic example of the airwar in the Pacific... to me, with the given factors, it was a totally silly result...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dinagat at 82,87

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Erie Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 33000
Raid is overhead

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Sub attack near Puerto Princesa at 74,84

Japanese Ships
xAK Nitiai Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
E Mutsure
E Shimushu
xAK Tokusima Maru
xAK Nitiyo Maru
xAK Morioka Maru
xAK Hakodate Maru
E Mikura
E Iki
E Amakusa

Allied Ships
SS Trespasser, hits 8

SS Trespasser launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Nitiai Maru
Trespasser diving deep ....
E Mikura attacking submerged sub ....
E Iki fails to find sub and abandons search
E Amakusa fails to find sub and abandons search
E Mikura fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Mikura fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Mikura fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Mikura fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Mikura fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Trespasser also gets a freighter but E Mikura also puts the sub in sinking condition... 25 sys 50 flt 5 eng...

makes it one sub sunk, two more in sinking condition and one damaged this turn for one tanker and three freighters (one small)... I�m not sure if this is an acceptable trade for the USN, it rather looks like kill ratios of Kriegsmarine subs in the Atlantic... and it will only get worse with all the super E coming out of the shipyards in 44/45...

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1338 troops, 117 guns, 94 vehicles, Assault Value = 1430

Defending force 8245 troops, 77 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 164

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Australian Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd Australian Division
4th Australian Division
4th Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
143rd USA Base Force
97th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
12th Base Force
23rd Air Flotilla
58th Field AA Battalion
35th JNAF AF Unit

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Submarine attack near Maryborough at 105,158

Japanese Ships
SS I-28

Allied Ships
APA Heywood, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

APA Heywood is sighted by SS I-28
SS I-28 launches 6 torpedoes

a pity... APA Heywood grounded during the Biak invasion IIRC and had 82 major flotation damage and after undergoing emergency repairs was ordered to move to Auckland to be repaired... as the chances to make it were very low anyway, I didn�t order an escort to accompy the ship and the number of IJN subs in this area are very very low anyway... nevertheless, after making nearly 3/4 of her Voyage, Heywood stumbles over an enemy sub and is sunk...

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TF 124 encounters mine field at Legaspi (82,82)

Japanese Ships
E Niizaki
PB Tokotsu Maru

3 mines cleared

enemy convoys have been passing through this hex to avoid our subs and Argonaut laid 60 mines here... no hits but 3 mines blown up by some escorts... sub mine laying hasn�t even been an annoyance in this PBEM...

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Sub attack near Taytay at 71,77

Japanese Ships
E Saga
E Shimakaze
PB Saiko Maru
PB Kenkon Maru
xAKL Uga Maru
xAKL Kidokawa Maru
xAKL Hanakawa Maru
xAKL Hakuyo Maru
xAKL Kurama Maru
E Hishu
E Nadakaze

Allied Ships
SS Grayling

SS Grayling launches 6 torpedoes at E Saga
E Saga fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Hishu fails to find sub and abandons search
E Nadakaze fails to find sub and abandons search
E Saga attacking submerged sub ....
E Saga fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Saga fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Saga fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Saga fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

why all these small freighters get such an escort is beyond me, must be a troop convoy I guess...

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Iloilo at 79,84

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 27

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Tokusima Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
xAK Morioka Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
xAK Ayo Maru, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
xAK Hakodate Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

amazingly enough, after our PB4Y-1 were flying in low numbers against enemy convoys around Mindanao, Rainer has not decided to back out with this one asap and this time the bombers fly in big numbers and also locate the enemy convoy as this works just well if the convoy is in a base hex... this brings up the question why bombers "fail to link up" if they try to attack a convoy outside of a base hex but are able to link up with their formation if they attack a convoy in a base hex... probably all just chrome and I shouldn�t care about any messages... freighters are just sitting ducks if they�re attacked by low level bombing bombers in acceptable weather... no troop losses, so I�m not sure if the convoy was able to unload or if it was carrying supplies... this strike again was an argument for the Japanese not to move within Manado�s heavy bombers� range...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Iloilo at 79,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 14

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Nitiyo Maru, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Shimushu, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
8 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

another strike flown in the afternoon, sinking another freighter and one of the damned E...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Butuan at 80,89

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 14
N1K1-J George x 8

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Asama Maru #2, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Denmark Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
8 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 33000
Raid is overhead
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead
254 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Raid is overhead
301 Ku S-2 with N1K1-J George (2 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 41000 , scrambling fighters to 4000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 41010
Raid is overhead

1/3 of the available USN patrol bombers attack another convoy in the area but this one is capped by a good dozen of useless Zekes but also 8 Georges which are quite feared by bomber crews... the bombers take losses but are able to score hits on two freighters sinking one for sure...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Iloilo at 79,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
xAK Nitiyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
E Mikura, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

and another halve dozen attacks the convoy at Iloilo and puts more bombs into the sinking Nitiyo Maru but also two bombs into another E...

makes it five xAK and two E of this convoy today... good work... we lose a weekly bomber replacement but not without heavily hitting the enemy...

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ASW attack near Tanegashima at 102,66

Japanese Ships
E Ishinui
E No.8

Allied Ships
SS Tunny, hits 1

SS Tunny is located by E Ishinui
Tunny diving deep ....
E Ishinui attacking submerged sub ....
E No.8 fails to find sub and abandons search
E Ishinui fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Ishinui fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Ishinui attacking submerged sub ....
E Ishinui attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

glad No.8 wasn�t able to locate the sub...
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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1362 troops, 117 guns, 94 vehicles, Assault Value = 1431

Defending force 7789 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 148

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
2nd Australian Division
1st Australian Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
4th Australian Division
249th Field Artillery Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
4th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
97th Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
12th Base Force
58th Field AA Battalion
35th JNAF AF Unit /1

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Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 39

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
13 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

we�re using B-25D1 in level bomber mode now since they�re not forced to the debatable working 100ft attacks anymore and have upgraded all USAAF frontline medium bomber squadrons (except those in Burma/Vietnam)... those in Burma/Vietnam will keep on flying B-25C until the pool has dried up, currently some 140 in the pool after upgrading all those squadrons... the USAAF medium bomber pilots are all trained to 70 lownav with low to high grd too but the focus for these squadrons is anti shipping (even though most of them will never ever see an enemy ship)...

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Morning Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 27
N1K1-J George x 24
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 30
F4U-1A Corsair x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 6 destroyed, 14 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
254 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
341 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 41010
Raid is overhead
6 planes vectored on to bombers
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(11 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 13 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
17 planes vectored on to bombers
301 Ku S-2 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 14 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 41000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
20 planes vectored on to bombers

this was quite an interesting engagement because the Corsairs performed anormally well being on escort... needless to say, they had the dive which was more than surprising because they were outnumbered and were detected by radar...

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Morning Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 10
N1K1-J George x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 6

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
254 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
301 Ku S-2 with N1K1-J George (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 41000
Raid is overhead
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 77 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 41010
Raid is overhead

not much in the air the bombers have to fear...

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Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
301 Ku S-2 with N1K1-J George (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 51 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 10

No Allied losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes

the usual piece meal strikes... Allied heavy bombers can do this...

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Morning Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 18
N1K1-J George x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 8

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
254 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
341 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters to 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
301 Ku S-2 with N1K1-J George (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 41000 , scrambling fighters to 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes

I really love the funny air routines... while the bombers with their escorts flew from Manado in the morning, the squadrons that were ordered to sweep from Manado didn�t fly... these squadrons then flew in the afternoon, as usual one by one... yeah, that�s realism... any brown nosers around?

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Afternoon Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
201 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Malaybalay , at 80,90

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes

all these Corsairs were coming from Manado...

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Afternoon Air attack on Cagayan , at 79,89

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 13

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

same as these...

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Afternoon Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 20
F4U-1A Corsair x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
202 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes

the bombers from Ambon were also not flying in the morning (due to weather) but came in with some escorts in the afternoon... the Japanese fighters on Cap really perform awfully today...

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Afternoon Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Butuan , at 80,89

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 41

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

in total it was a clear victory for the Corsairs today, the first bomber waves took quite a toll though as they were coming from Boela at max range and we�ve lost quite a lot of them due to damage suffered over the target and the long range home... this will soon all become much better when Manado reaches level 9...

7 or 8:1 A2A for the Corsairs today, mostly during escort which is not normal for my fighters on escort, usually it�s better not to send escorts at all... that way we could wear down the enemy airforce over Mindanao at affordable losses...

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36927 troops, 549 guns, 1055 vehicles, Assault Value = 1430

Defending force 7124 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 144

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 1605

Japanese adjusted defense: 69

Allied assault odds: 23 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kendari !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2007 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 99 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 81 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 32 (32 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
201 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Assaulting units:
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd Australian Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
1st Australian Division
767th Tank Battalion
4th Australian Division
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
226th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
12th Base Force
58th Field AA Battalion
35th JNAF AF Unit /1

the Aussies take Kendari... and we�ll soon jump onto the West Coast to take the empty Wattambone, currently a size 1 port 0 airfield but got a potential of being built up to level 9 which is what we�re going to do as this airfield can guard our Western flank, is hard to bombard from the Sea without ending up in range of all my bombers and this airfield also threatens the Soerabaja area and all shipping moving along Borneo�s West Coast...

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/11/2011 12:45:04 PM

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TF 202 encounters mine field at Legaspi (82,82)

Japanese Ships
AM Wa 107
AM Wa 106

9 mines cleared

a pity, Argonaut laid 60 MK12 mines at Legaspi but a TF with minesweepers passes through the hex... that�s it for the minefield...

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TF 202 encounters mine field at Legaspi (82,82)

Japanese Ships
AM Wa 107
AM Wa 106

15 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 5

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
301 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
25th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes

the Lightning squadrons come in one by one as that�s how it�s designed, they aren�t detected by radar and dive on the enemy... massacre...

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

CAP engaged:
25th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 82 minutes

the single Tojo was sent home damaged... these fighters are leaking from Canton where the enemy has massed something like 80-100 fighters it seems, reason for this is unknown... as I�m not allowed to do any stratetig bombing in China I wouldn�t keep any aircraft there as the Japanese... the hr was meant differently but how I worded now means I�m not even allowed to bomb Chinese territory that was held by the Japanese at the outbreak of the war... you could argue if Shanghai for example was Chinese or Japanese on 12/7/41 but I did just let down and there won�t be any strategic bombing in "China"... so IMO there�s no need to have an enemy airforce in China either... but in a couple of weeks we�re going to get the first B-29 squadrons and these can reach Korea from my Chinese bases...

this will then lead to either a dispersion of Japanese fighter strenght or the destruction of all strategic targets at Places like Port Arthur and further down the coast...

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Morning Air attack on 12th Base Force, at 70,106 (Kendari)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 10
PV-1 Ventura x 57

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 64th Infantry Group ...
Also attacking 12th Base Force ...
Also attacking 64th Infantry Group ...
Also attacking 12th Base Force ...
Also attacking 64th Infantry Group ...
Also attacking 12th Base Force ...

training raid...

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Morning Air attack on 12th Base Force, at 70,106 (Kendari)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 9

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 12th Base Force, at 70,106 (Kendari)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 9

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 12th Base Force, at 70,106 (Kendari)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 11
PV-1 Ventura x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 54

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 54

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9

No Allied losses

Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes

3 lost fighters from each of the three attacking squadrons... the usual realistic strike that the biggest ego of computer game development of all times is thinking... yeah baby, THIS is realism!

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 2

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

CAP engaged:
25th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes

and here�s the third squadron... three squadrons ordered to sweep from a level 9 airfield, each shows up alone and each loses 3 fighters on the way to target and this is happening in 95%+ of the time no matter what... with the dive, the Lightnings again shred the enemy at unbelievable rates... can go exactly the other way too though...

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27514 troops, 450 guns, 933 vehicles, Assault Value = 1429

Defending force 5501 troops, 45 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 46

Allied adjusted assault: 512

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 73 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1119 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 87 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Tank Battalion
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
1st Australian Division
2nd Australian Division
767th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
4th Australian Division
I Australian Corps
134th Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
97th Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
249th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group
58th Field AA Battalion
12th Base Force

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Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Kendari

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/11/2011 12:53:37 PM

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Can someone enlighten me why I should upgrade my Avengers to the 1C model? It is slower, got less range and is less maneuverable (don�t know if this matters at all). The only thing the new model is better is the gun value as it got 2 front firing cal.50 but I seriously doubt these are needed at all... so far I haven�t upgraded any of the squadrons and got enough bombers in the pool but there will be the time when the pool is going to dry up. What was the real life reason to come up with a new model or is it just the same aircraft built by another company with two mor cal.50 and therefor overall worse flight characteristics?

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/11/2011 4:19:29 PM

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Iirc, the pilots requested forward firing .50s for suppression/strafing purposes on attack runs.

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/11/2011 8:28:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 01, 44
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Submarine attack near Maryborough at 105,158

Japanese Ships
SS I-28

Allied Ships
APA Heywood, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

APA Heywood is sighted by SS I-28
SS I-28 launches 6 torpedoes

a pity... APA Heywood grounded during the Biak invasion IIRC and had 82 major flotation damage and after undergoing emergency repairs was ordered to move to Auckland to be repaired... as the chances to make it were very low anyway, I didn�t order an escort to accompy the ship and the number of IJN subs in this area are very very low anyway... nevertheless, after making nearly 3/4 of her Voyage, Heywood stumbles over an enemy sub and is sunk...

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TF 124 encounters mine field at Legaspi (82,82)

Japanese Ships
E Niizaki
PB Tokotsu Maru

3 mines cleared

enemy convoys have been passing through this hex to avoid our subs and Argonaut laid 60 mines here... no hits but 3 mines blown up by some escorts... sub mine laying hasn�t even been an annoyance in this PBEM...

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In my pbemail, Viperpol keep a nice minefield at Bativa. Normally, this would not present a problem except that any sub with a home base in India will automatically route home through Bativa rather than transit the shorter but more dangerous route through the Singapore Straights. So if I am not paying attention my RTB subs will run over the "known" minefield at Bativa. So far I have lost four subs this way.

Mines have not been dominant in our game but a lot of fun. I have done in about half a dozen Japanese subs and another 20 ships and boats. He has done some damage as well but the Allies get more mines to work with.

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/12/2011 6:59:45 AM

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TBM1C�
(only from wikipedia though)
After hundreds of the original TBF-1 models were built, the TBF-1C began production. The allotment of space for specialized internal and wing-mounted fuel tanks doubled the Avenger's range. By 1943, Grumman began to slowly phase out production of the Avenger to produce F6F Hellcat fighters, and the Eastern Aircraft Division of General Motors took-over, with these aircraft being designated TBM. The Eastern Aircraft plant was located in North Tarrytown (re-named Sleepy Hollow in 1996), NY. Starting in mid-1944, the TBM-3 began production (with a more powerful powerplant and wing hardpoints for drop tanks and rockets). The dash-3 was the most numerous of the Avengers (with about 4,600 produced). However, most of the Avengers in service were dash-1s until near the end of the war (in 1945).

TBF-1CTBF-1 with provision for two 0.5�in (12.7�mm) wing guns and fuel capacity increased to 726�gal (2,748�l). (765 built)
TBM-1Cas TBF-1C. (2336 built)

From� http://www.uboat.net/allies/aircraft/avenger.htm
The designation TBF-1B applied to 402 aircraft built for the Royal Navy, which the British initially called Tarpon T.R. Mark I, but later called Avenger T.R. Mark I. British Avengers were sometimes modified to British specification by Blackburn Aircraft, including the installation British oxygen systems and gunsights. The TBF-1C deleted the nose-mounted machine gun and, instead, mounted one 50 caliber weapon in each wing. This variant was plumbed to carry up to 391 gallons of additional fuel in auxiliary fuel tanks. Grumman built 764, while GM built 2,332 of their virtually identical TBM-1C.

From http://www.acepilots.com/planes/avenger.html
After several hundred of the original TBF-1 were built, a few critical changes were made in the next variant, the TBF-1C. The pilot's single fuselage-mounted .30 caliber machine gun was replaced by two wing-mounted .50 caliber guns. The turret was also equipped with a .50 caliber weapon. And provisions for an internal fuel tank in the bomb bay plus two wing tanks more than doubled the Avenger's fuel capacity, from 335 to 726 gallons. The TBM-3 had these same features.

< Message edited by JeffK -- 1/12/2011 7:02:52 AM >

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Looking at this, the TBF-1 should have DT, and the normal range of the TBM1-C should be greater.

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quote:

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quote:

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 01, 44
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Submarine attack near Maryborough at 105,158

Japanese Ships
SS I-28

Allied Ships
APA Heywood, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

APA Heywood is sighted by SS I-28
SS I-28 launches 6 torpedoes

a pity... APA Heywood grounded during the Biak invasion IIRC and had 82 major flotation damage and after undergoing emergency repairs was ordered to move to Auckland to be repaired... as the chances to make it were very low anyway, I didn�t order an escort to accompy the ship and the number of IJN subs in this area are very very low anyway... nevertheless, after making nearly 3/4 of her Voyage, Heywood stumbles over an enemy sub and is sunk...

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TF 124 encounters mine field at Legaspi (82,82)

Japanese Ships
E Niizaki
PB Tokotsu Maru

3 mines cleared

enemy convoys have been passing through this hex to avoid our subs and Argonaut laid 60 mines here... no hits but 3 mines blown up by some escorts... sub mine laying hasn�t even been an annoyance in this PBEM...

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In my pbemail, Viperpol keep a nice minefield at Bativa. Normally, this would not present a problem except that any sub with a home base in India will automatically route home through Bativa rather than transit the shorter but more dangerous route through the Singapore Straights. So if I am not paying attention my RTB subs will run over the "known" minefield at Bativa. So far I have lost four subs this way.

Mines have not been dominant in our game but a lot of fun. I have done in about half a dozen Japanese subs and another 20 ships and boats. He has done some damage as well but the Allies get more mines to work with.

I haven�t used Argonaut a lot but am doing an annoyance mission now and then, lately with some luck. I haven�t got a single sub in India, all my subs are either operating out of Adak or Darwin so mines at Batavia wouldn�t do my subs much harm.

When I�ve lost Batavia in the game early on, there were still Dutch mines there and these took out three IJN subs passing through the hex though.

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Looking at this, the TBF-1 should have DT, and the normal range of the TBM1-C should be greater.

interesting info, thanks. I don�t see any reason to upgrade my bombers as the TBF is clearly the better choice in the game. On the other hand, Allied carrier strikes are hardcoded to max. 7 hexes anyway so at least the one hex shorter range wouldn�t matter. I just thought I would get a better bomber over the old one when a new model is available.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 04, 44
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TF 202 encounters mine field at Legaspi (82,82)

Japanese Ships
AM Wa 107
AM Wa 106

3 mines cleared

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Afternoon Air attack on Dadjangas , at 78,93

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet *

CAP engaged:
S-601 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
73rd Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes

we keep on putting pressure on Davao�s Cap in attacking leaking fighters... the Lightnings had the dive and performed quite well while halve of them were damaged... in total the Japanese achieved more hits but failed to actually down the robust Allied fighters...

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Afternoon Air attack on Dadjangas , at 78,93

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet *

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Dadjangas , at 78,93

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet *

the strikes of course look as realistic as one could think of them... three squadrons, three sweeps, all three of them coming in with 18 instead of 25 aircraft... the rest of the squadrons didn�t fly at all today... no, they are not set to any other mission and no, the airfield isn�t overstacked...

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Sub attack near Moa at 74,118

Japanese Ships
SS RO-45, hits 6

Allied Ships
AM Motive
AM Sage
AM Revenge
LSD Gunston Hall
LSD Carter Hall
LSD Belle Grove
AM Oracle
AM Swallow

Captain of SS RO-45 elects not to launch torpedoes at this target
AM Oracle fails to find sub and abandons search
AM Motive fails to find sub and abandons search
AM Swallow attacking submerged sub ....
AM Swallow fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Swallow fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Swallow fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Swallow fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Swallow fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

the skipper decides not to attack and takes a beating in return... two hits but the sub seems to get away...

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Ground combat at Kendari (70,106)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27492 troops, 450 guns, 933 vehicles, Assault Value = 1428

Defending force 3235 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Allied adjusted assault: 681

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 681 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3946 casualties reported
Squads: 311 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 271 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 43 (43 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
131st Combat Engineer Regiment
2nd Australian Division
1st Australian Division
767th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
4th Australian Division
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
134th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
226th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
97th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
255th USN Base Force

Defending units:
64th Infantry Group

and Kendari is finally cleared... we�ve destroyed quite a lot of enemy units but the Japanese are still far behind the Allied in points for ground losses, Allied 10000, Japanese 4000 which is quite amazing as we didn�t lose anything anormal...

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I'll set another possible observation.

Do strikes come from airfields in the same sequence, eg always from base 1, then base 2, then base 3.

Playing the Downfall scenario and getting the full Kamikaze blitz, I believe that on 2-3 consecutive days the same base flew the last mission, and with the previous 2-3000 sorties wearing out the CAP & AAA ammo got a clear run on my shipping. Now if you loaded up this airfield you could be very effective ( I sent in 5-600 B29 at 5000ft)

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I'll set another possible observation.

Do strikes come from airfields in the same sequence, eg always from base 1, then base 2, then base 3.

Playing the Downfall scenario and getting the full Kamikaze blitz, I believe that on 2-3 consecutive days the same base flew the last mission, and with the previous 2-3000 sorties wearing out the CAP & AAA ammo got a clear run on my shipping. Now if you loaded up this airfield you could be very effective ( I sent in 5-600 B29 at 5000ft)

instead of having all strikes on the same base, I often try to spread them out over several bases. Funny as it is, you got more chances to see more squadron coming in at the same time if you use several bases, with different ranges and different directions to target than if you have them all at a fully built up and supported airfield complex. That�s how it is by design. Looks funny if you then see a "coordinated" strike with 7 or 8 of these strike lines going to a target. The more you deliberately try to screw up things, the better results you get in the end.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 05, 44
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Submarine attack near Damar at 75,113

Japanese Ships
SS I-39, hits 35, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Columbia
CL Cleveland
DD Caperton
DD Picking
DD Isherwood
DD Erben
DD Dyson

SS I-39 is sighted by escort
DD Picking fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Isherwood attacking submerged sub ....
DD Erben fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Dyson fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Isherwood fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Erben attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-39 forced to surface!
DD Erben firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Dyson firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Picking firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Isherwood firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Dyson firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Picking firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Picking firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Isherwood firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Erben firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Dyson firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Picking firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Isherwood firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Erben firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Dyson firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Picking firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

the carriers have left Darwin again and promptly run over an enemy sub which gets sunk by the escorts... the sub wasn�t even able to indentify any of the carriers... my subs really got a hard life but IJN subs are dead as soon as they leave port...

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Sub attack near Torishima at 109,68

Japanese Ships
xAK Tatuno Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AM Wa 105
xAK Turuga Maru
xAK Taketoyo Maru
PB Atsu Maru
SC CHa-8

Allied Ships
SS Herring

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS Herring launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Tatuno Maru
PB Atsu Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
SC CHa-8 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC CHa-8 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC CHa-8 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC CHa-8 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC CHa-8 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

hitting a troop transport is always nice...

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Sub attack near Torishima at 109,68

Japanese Ships
xAK Tatuno Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PB Atsu Maru

Allied Ships
SS Herring

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS Herring launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Tatuno Maru
Herring diving deep ....
PB Atsu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Atsu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Atsu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Atsu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Atsu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

putting another two torps into the sinking ship...

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ASW attack near Puerto Princesa at 70,76

Japanese Ships
E No.1
E No.10
E No.9

Allied Ships
SS Parche, hits 27, on fire, heavy damage

SS Parche is located by E No.1
Parche diving deep ....
E No.10 attacking submerged sub ....
E No.9 fails to find sub and abandons search
E No.10 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.10 attacking submerged sub ....
Sounds of submarine breaking up detected!
Escort abandons search for sub

SS Parche is sunk by the newly arrived super E... no chance against these ASW 14 vessels... received some very much appreciated info about the ASW mortar having wrong ratings for these vessels but all I see are DC hits and these are actually sinking or heavily damaging my subs... have done some more tests and these also show the DC hitting the subs and due to being told I shouldn�t believe the messages I�ve modded one of these E classes in a test scenario (only removed the ASW mortar with the wrong data base values) after doing 25 test runs with the default E before... well, without the ASW mortar these E still sink subs like wild, they usually only need two or three attempts and a sub is sunk if you encounter a 4 ship ASW TF... and besides the sunk subs you end up with a hell a lot heavily damaged subs and this is done by their 12 DC mount... like I�ve said earlier, IMO the ships look historical correct but their performance is far from what the Japanese were able to do with them because otherwise the USN subs would all have been sunk in 44 just like the Kriegsmarine subs in the Atlantic... either it was the low experience of the crews in real life, the non existing or non working sonar or whatever but these ships weren�t ten times more effective than IJN DD or comparable to USN or British DD in ASW... it�s good for the game as it surely is a big morale boost for the Japanese player if he starts sinking subs everywhere as soon as he fields enough of these ASW 14 E in 44 but it is not historical correct... and I am not talking about how these vessels look like or how they are used, I�m talking about the performance of these ships while having 20-30 less experience than IJN DD... as the DD or other ships performance seems to be ok, you can�t just mod the depthcharges and give them lower accuracy or something like that because this then would make all other IJN ships near completely useless but having these E with a 12 DC mount (plus a single mount and an ASW mortar) really makes them killers comparable to Allied frontline DD...

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Afternoon Air attack on Dadjangas , at 78,93

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
S-601 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Dadjangas , at 78,93

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
S-601 Hikotai with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41000 , scrambling fighters to 26000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes

not enough leaking out of Davao...

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ASW attack near Torishima at 107,67

Japanese Ships
E Mutsure
E Iki
E Amakusa

Allied Ships
SS Tullibee, hits 6

SS Tullibee is sighted by escort
E Iki attacking submerged sub ....
E Amakusa fails to find sub and abandons search
E Iki attacking submerged sub ....
E Iki fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Iki attacking submerged sub ....
E Iki fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

the "old" E classes are a pain but they are by far not the killers the new ones are... and so far the most subs were sunk by "old" E... this one takes 20 sys 40 flt...

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 06, 44
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Sub attack near Puerto Princesa at 70,79

Japanese Ships
DD Oite
DD Hatakaze
DD Tatsukaze
DD Asanagi

Allied Ships
SS Billfish

SS Billfish launches 6 torpedoes at DD Oite
Billfish diving deep ....
DD Tatsukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tatsukaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Asanagi attacking submerged sub ....
DD Asanagi cannot establish contact with SS Billfish
SS Billfish eludes ASW attack from DD Asanagi
SS Billfish eludes DD Asanagi by diving deep
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

not happy about my subs attacking an ASW TF but as long as it isn�t a E killer group I can live with it...

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ASW attack near Brunei at 65,83

Japanese Ships
E W-29
E W-27
E W-26
xAK Hokkai Maru
xAK Yahiko Maru
xAK Kosin Maru
xAK Uga Maru
xAK Muroran Maru
xAK Toyokawa Maru
xAK Naples Maru
xAK Aden Maru
E W-33
E W-30

Allied Ships
SS Gabilan, hits 1

SS Gabilan is sighted by escort
E W-33 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E W-30 fails to find sub and abandons search
E W-33 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E W-33 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E W-33 attacking submerged sub ....
E W-33 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Bataan at 77,77

Japanese Ships
AK Sakura Maru, Torpedo hits 1
PB Genmei Maru
PB Kiko Maru
PB Taiko Maru
PB Toshi Maru #7
PB Takunan Maru #3
PB Shintohoku Maru
SC CHa-37
SC CHa-29
SC CHa-20
SC Ch 50
AK Sasako Maru
AK Sagami Maru
AK Hirokawa Maru
xAP Teibi Maru
xAP Naminoue Maru
xAP Kobe Maru
xAP Hakusan Maru
xAP Hie Maru
xAP Argentina Maru
xAP Teia Maru
xAP Teiko Maru
xAK Yosida Maru #3
xAK Utide Maru
xAK Nihonka Maru
xAK Kiyoshima Maru
xAK Giyu Maru
xAK Gosei Maru
xAK Teiryu Maru
xAK Tempei Maru
xAK Tensin Maru
xAK Unyo Maru
xAK Daigen Maru
xAK Manyo Maru
xAK Mexico Maru
xAK Aobasan Maru
xAK Hokkai Maru
xAK Goyo Maru
E Nuwashima
E Tsubame
PB Ginyo Maru
PB Daitei Maru

Allied Ships
SS Whale, hits 2

SS Whale launches 6 torpedoes at AK Sakura Maru
Whale diving deep ....
E Nuwashima attacking submerged sub ....
E Tsubame fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Ginyo Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Daitei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Nuwashima fails to find sub and abandons search
E Tsubame attacking submerged sub ....
PB Daitei Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
E Tsubame attacking submerged sub ....
E Tsubame fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Tsubame fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Tsubame fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

huge TF, guess the hit is FOW...

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Sub attack near Groot Natoena at 60,80

Japanese Ships
PC Nire
DD Tadeyame
DD Myojinami

Allied Ships
SS Gudgeon

SS Gudgeon launches 6 torpedoes at PC Nire
Gudgeon diving deep ....
DD Tadeyame fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

should have kept doing my sub statistics and also count the torps being spent in total... something I am going to do right from the start if I ever start another PBEM... would be cool if tracker could do that for me...

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Sub attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 72,72

Japanese Ships
PB Shinko Maru #3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
E Shirakami
PB Ryusei Maru
xAK Toei Maru
xAK Nissen Maru #3
xAK Syunsei Maru
xAK Yamahuzi Maru
E Hirashima

Allied Ships
SS Skate

SS Skate launches 4 torpedoes at PB Shinko Maru #3
Skate diving deep ....
E Hirashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Hirashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Hirashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Hirashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Hirashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Lomblen at 69,111

Japanese Ships
SS I-183, hits 17, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Chicago, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

CL Denver
CL Montpelier
DD Cowell
DD Ammen
DD Thatcher
DD Terry
DD Dashiell
DD Daly

SS I-183 launches 6 torpedoes at CA Chicago
DD Thatcher attacking submerged sub ....
DD Terry fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Dashiell fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Daly fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Thatcher fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Terry attacking submerged sub ....
DD Daly attacking submerged sub ....
DD Terry fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Daly attacking submerged sub ....
Debris floats to surface in area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub

my carrier group is attacked again on the way North towards Java and the damned I-183 manages to achieve three hits on the undamaged CA Chicago that sinks immediately... quite an achievement on an undamaged heavy cruiser during daylight... a tragedy but only the second heavy cruiser that is lost in the war... the sub is reported sunk in return but that�s only a small consolation prize... the carriers again weren�t spotted but I guess Rainer is aware of my fleet coming towards him as several Nells on nav search were shot down over my carriers...

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Morning Air attack on Dadjangas , at 78,93

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

no leaking Cap at all today...

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 72
P-38J Lightning x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 28
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 86

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet *

we take out Jolo today... 40 enemy fighters reported there (probably a 27 fighter daitai) but none of them in the air...

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 26
P-38J Lightning x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 39

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 9
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

they don�t seem to all sit on the field either though...

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Dadjangas , at 78,93

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 50

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 81

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 26

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 48

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8

No Allied losses

Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 10

No Allied losses

Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 07, 44
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ASW attack near Torishima at 109,66

Japanese Ships
E Ishinui
E No.8

Allied Ships
SS Harder, hits 20, heavy damage

SS Harder is sighted by escort
E Ishinui fails to find sub and abandons search
E No.8 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.8 attacking submerged sub ....
Large oil slick appears over area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub

hurrey, hurrey! And the new super E sink the next sub, hit by four Type 2 depth charges... sorry guys, but this is ridicoulos... I was wondering if it is still worth it to keep my subs in the frontlines hunting enemy ressource/oil/fuel convoys when these new E types weren�t around so it becomes more and more clear now that I should withdraw all my subs as more and more of these ASW 14 super vessels show up... my subs all got patrol zones set so they are not static nor do they get spotted by air search all the time so detection level isn�t a real issue here... the 12 DC mount is the killer...

it was yet again enouth that only ONE of these ships actually engaged the sub...

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Submarine attack near Colombo at 27,46

Japanese Ships
SS I-159, hits 18, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Nizam
DD Nestor
DD Napier

SS I-159 is located by DD Isaac Sweers
I-159 diving deep ....
DD Nizam fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Nestor attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-159 forced to surface!
DD Nestor firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Napier firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nizam firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nestor firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Napier firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nizam firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Napier firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

which actually means these super E vessels with exp around 40-45 achieve the same results as highly experienced British and US DD... nothing you can really do about them...

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Amphibious Assault at Watampone

TF 297 troops unloading over beach at Watampone, 66,105

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)

8 Naval Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 111th USN Base Force /2

we land a force at the empty Wattambone... got some inf units and base forces to seize and hold the place, the enemy only got low value troops at this side of the coast and I doubt he will try to attack... LCT convoys will start to move in engineering units from Kendari to build up the place, potential level 9 airfield...

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Sub attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 63,75

Japanese Ships
DD Tadeyame
PC Nire
DD Myojinami

Allied Ships
SS Gurnard

SS Gurnard launches 6 torpedoes at DD Tadeyame
Gurnard diving deep ....
DD Tadeyame fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Myojinami attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

nothing in the IJN arsenal is nearly as good as the E No.x...

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

the usual way sweeps show up in the game... no leaking Cap from Canton (100+ fighters reported there)...

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 62
P-38J Lightning x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 79

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 35
P-38J Lightning x 17

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 49

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 13
P-38J Lightning x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 15

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Jolo , at 74,90

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 9

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
3 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
3 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

the super ego must have never really played this game, otherwise he wouldn�t stubbornly insist on how much realism is built in... built in stupidity and borked by design... it�s not the borked way it works that is pissing me off, it�s the stupidity of ppl that keep on telling how great it is when no AAR shows anything different from what is shown here... but hey, if your ego is big enough, you probably believe your own propaganda... oh wait, just searching the net about 3 fighters of each squadron lost on the way to target... this is how it must have been in real life... it�s so obvious and so consitent that this must have come up since day one of testing so everyone is/was aware of it so telling everything would be near perfect is just silly... not the faulty routine is the problem, denying the fault it is...

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 63

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 220

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 76

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 11

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 31

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

our carriers are covering the landings at Wattambone against strikes coming from Java but there wasn�t anything showing up but some Nells and Mavis on navsearch...

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Submarine attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 63,75

Japanese Ships
PC Take
PC Nire
DD Tadeyame
DD Myojinami

Allied Ships
SS Gurnard, hits 8, and is sunk

SS Gurnard is located by PC Take
Gurnard diving deep ....
DD Tadeyame attacking submerged sub ....
SS Gurnard forced to surface!
DD Tadeyame firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Myojinami firing on surfaced sub ....
PC Take firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

what a great day, two USN subs sunk for nothing in return... guess even the Kriegsmarine ratio was better in real life...

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 08, 44
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Sub attack near Tanegashima at 103,67

Japanese Ships
xAKL Taiyo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PB Taian Maru

Allied Ships
SS Aspro, hits 3

SS Aspro launches 6 torpedoes at xAKL Taiyo Maru
PB Taian Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Taian Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Taian Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Taian Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Taian Maru attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

for two subs sunk yesterday, we kill a xAKL today... the PB sends Aspro home damaged, suffering 13 sys 24 flt 9 eng...

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ASW attack near Busuanga at 77,81

Japanese Ships
DD Hatakaze
DD Tatsukaze
DD Asanagi

Allied Ships
SS KXVII, hits 3

SS KXVII launches 4 torpedoes at DD Hatakaze
DD Tatsukaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi attacking submerged sub ....
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asanagi attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

missed salvo, 7 sys..

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Sub attack near Groot Natoena at 60,79

Japanese Ships
TK San Pedro Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Shiretoko
DD Suruyame

Allied Ships
SS Cod, hits 1

SS Cod launches 6 torpedoes at TK San Pedro Maru
Cod diving deep ....
DD Suruyame attacking submerged sub ....
DD Suruyame fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Suruyame fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Suruyame fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Cod hits a tanker but also suffers damage, retiring with 6 sys 27 flt... the subs have become one shot weapons, they usually never run out of fuel or torps as they won�t be long enough on station...

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

forgot to stand down the P-38 at Hanoi, sweeps look as silly as always...

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

No.2

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Morning Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 31

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
3 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
3 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

and NO.3 with the two fragments of No.1 and No.2... please note that flying in formation wasn�t a common practice of squadrons in real life WWII, they just all took off and the aircraft then individually tried to find their target... if you don�t believe that or have read anything different, please feel free to take a history lesson from a guy that knows better than you but hasn�t fired up the game for a long time...

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 78

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 126

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 38

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

lots of op losses for the enemy today...

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ASW attack near Culion at 74,77

Japanese Ships
E Asagao
SC Ch 39
SC Ch 24
SC Ch 41

Allied Ships
SS Grayling, hits 1

SS Grayling is located by E Asagao
Grayling diving deep ....
E Asagao fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Asagao attacking submerged sub ....
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Asagao fails to find sub and abandons search
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 41 attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

Grayling gets away... compared to yesterday, our subs had a great day...

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Ground combat at Watampone (66,105)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12099 troops, 113 guns, 334 vehicles, Assault Value = 336

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 153

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 153 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Watampone !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
15th NZ Brigade
111th USN Base Force
179th USAAF Base Force

seizing the empty base, this force is easily strong enough to hold the place, the enemy won�t attack us anyway I guess... both Makassar and the base North of Watampone got a small Japanese garisson but this potential level 9 airfield was left empty...

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ASW attack near Dili at 72,117

Japanese Ships
SS RO-46, hits 7, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Abbot
CA Baltimore
CL Boise
DD Boyd
DD Kimberly
DD Conner
DD Chauncey
DD Charrette

SS RO-46 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Abbot
RO-46 diving deep ....
DD Kimberly attacking submerged sub ....
DD Conner fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Chauncey fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Charrette fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Kimberly fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kimberly attacking submerged sub ....
DD Kimberly fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kimberly fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kimberly attacking submerged sub ....
DD Kimberly fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

the carrier and invasion fleet is retiring to Darwin again when they run over an enemy sub that dares to attack one of the escorts of a CV TF... torps missed and the sub being put out of action... probably not sunk...

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Morning Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 9
N1K1-J George x 45

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed

CAP engaged:
253 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 31 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes

ordered a full strike on Samarinda today, with lots of fighters on sweep and escort, followed by the full strenght B-24 force at Manada... Samarinda recon showed some 40 fighters there (so I expected one daitai) with Balikpapan one hex West having twice the number of fighters and therefore I�ve ordered the first strike to attack Samarinda to knock out the airfield there and to kill some leaking fighters from Balikpapan... well, it seems there were either a hell a lot more fighters at Samarinda today or nearly all were coming over from Balikpapan... the Corsairs did well at start, taking down more than a dozen enemies but when the Corsairs ran out of the dive, they were all either shot down or sent home damaged, causing the loss of one third of this squadron with 6 pilots KIA/MIA (including two aces)...

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Morning Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
N1K1-J George x 22

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 126

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 13 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *
16 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *
18 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *
16 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 14 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
253 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes

must be Jackpot time this turn, don�t know if I have ever seen a 7 squadron sweep showing up over the target, after the initial single squadron sweep took out the majority of the enemy Cap, this mega sweep had no problem taking out the rest... don�t know what all has gone wrong in this turn, it must have been a mega screw up, otherwise the routine wouldn�t have sent 7 squadrons in at the same time I guess... I�m not asking for all squadrons in one sweep, but there should be at least some sense behind how the strikes look like, it wasn�t a 99% screw up in real life...

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Morning Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 75

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 43
Airbase supply hits 12
Runway hits 172

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes

then the bombers show up, without a single escort... ok, means the sweeps went in first and the squadrons set to escort failed and also went in first... and no, having the fighters at the same altitude has never made any difference for me... only spreading out the squadrons over a dozen airfields gives me better "coordination", something that is totally odd... the airfield is trashed and with very few enemy troops (therefore very few engineers) at the base it will take forever to repair the damage... next target is going to be Balikpapan (the enemy has abandoned it after today�s massacre) and as soon as the airfields are knocked out, there is not going to be a single tanker convoy picking up fuel or oil from Balikpapan, Samarinda or Tarakan again... the loss of Manado actually meant the loss of all the oil/fuel in Southern Borneo for the Japanese...

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Morning Air attack on Zamboanga , at 75,89

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 3 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 89

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

the Mitchells do quite well too...

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Morning Air attack on Zamboanga , at 75,89

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 11
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

the enemy had Vals here, guess these were flying nav search or ASW our subs and other TFs in the area spotted them a couple of times...

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Morning Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 26

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 49

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

not a single escort was actually escorting the bombers, guess three or four of the eight Corsair squadrons were set to escort, all showed up sweeping before the bombers... while this may work well in terms of losses in the end, it nevertheless again was a total screw up... all four squadrons failing to escort the bombers?

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Afternoon Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 21

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

guess I should stand down my P-38 at Hanoi, not really a good idea to forget them again...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Brunei at 65,87

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 9 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Uzuki
DD Minazuki
DD Shinonome
DD Yayoi

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
261 Ku S-2 with A6M2 Zero (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead

had my USN patrol bombers at 17 hex range, have now reduced the range to 15 to avaid attacks against TFs that are capped at Brunei or Miri...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Brunei at 65,87

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Uzuki
DD Yayoi

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
261 Ku S-2 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 1000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Brunei at 65,87

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 1

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
261 Ku S-2 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Brunei at 65,87

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Wuchow , at 76,57

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet

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Sub attack near Groot Natoena at 60,84

Japanese Ships
E Yomogi
E Tomozuru
E Hatsukari

Allied Ships
SS Dace, hits 3

SS Dace launches 6 torpedoes at E Yomogi
Dace diving deep ....
E Tomozuru attacking submerged sub ....
E Hatsukari fails to find sub and abandons search
E Tomozuru fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Tomozuru fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Tomozuru fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Tomozuru fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Tomozuru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Dace ends up attacking one of the "normal" E ASW TFs and misses to take a hit and two near misses in return... 23 sys 42 flt...

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what now follows isn�t something I have edited or that is fake, it happened in this PBEM and can be confirmed by my opponent...

Morning Air attack on Sangi , at 77,97

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 49

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 33
F4U-1A Corsair x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 18 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
VMF-113 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
VMF-115 with F4U-1A Corsair (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
VMF-217 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
VMF-224 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
VMF-225 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
VMF-311 with F4U-1A Corsair (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Raid is overhead
VMF-441 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
80th FG/90th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
475th FG/432nd FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Raid is overhead
49th FG/9th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 19 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes

Sangi is the small island North East of Manado that is being built up by our sea bee units... to cover the LCT convoys going there we have place a single Thunderbolt squadron there, set to 30 Cap... two base forces and a USMC def. btn are providing air support and radar... the enemy has massed fighter units at Davao today and probably due to being pissed off by the too big (for my taste) success of my sweeps against Samarinda yesterday, he has ordered his first line units to sweep Sangi to take out the 30-40 fighters he had intel and ends up facing the Thud squadron at Sangi plus Thuds from Manado plus Corsairs from 7 squadrons leaking from Manado, leaving us with 63 vs. 49 fighters at the start of the engagement... raid was detected by radar... what then followed must have been as awful to watch for my opponent as it was for me... his fighters were set to 6000ft (an altitude the enemy had great success BEFORE radar was working again) and all our squadrons were diving, shooting, diving, shooting, diving, shooting, diving, shooting, diving, shooting, diving, shooting right from the start until the end of the battle... the result was... omg... around 40 Tojos shot down for 1 Thunderbolt destroyed... 49 fighters on sweep meeting 63 fighters on Cap resulting in 40:1 aircraft lost?

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Morning Air attack on Sangi , at 77,97

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 30

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 26
F4U-1A Corsair x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 15 destroyed

CAP engaged:
VMF-113 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
VMF-115 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
VMF-217 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
VMF-224 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
VMF-225 with F4U-1A Corsair (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
VMF-311 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
49th FG/9th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
80th FG/90th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
475th FG/432nd FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 42000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes

I bet the moment the Tojos were shot down in droves Rainer hoped his Franks would fail to fly... well, they flew... 30 Franks incoming against still 52 fighters on Cap... the Franks at 6000ft, the Cap alerted by radar... guess how that turned out... dive, shoot, dive, shoot, dive, shoot, dive, shoot, dive, shoot, dive, shoot, dive, shoot, dive, shoot, dive, shoot until all Franks were shot down or damaged for not a single US fighter destroyed during the replay... at this moment we were at 60+:1 kill rate... the enemy has sent 79 fighters at this point, so actually outnumbered us 79:63 in total at this point...

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Morning Air attack on Cotabato , at 78,90

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet *

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes

we have sent out the Lightnings to attack leaking Cap at Cotabato and the P-38 did quite well here, the Tojo tally for today is further increasing...

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Morning Air attack on Cotabato , at 78,90

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 1

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet *

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 84 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Cotabato , at 78,90

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Sangi , at 77,97

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 7

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 23
F4U-1A Corsair x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
VMF-113 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
VMF-115 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
VMF-217 with F4U-1A Corsair (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
VMF-224 with F4U-1A Corsair (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
VMF-311 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
49th FG/9th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 11 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
80th FG/90th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
VMF-225 with F4U-1A Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
475th FG/432nd FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 42000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes

and here�s the rest of the Frank sweep... 6 more are coming in to be massacred... makes it a 85:63 in total fighter numbers with total losses over Sangi being something like 70:3... would I post this result in the main forum, I sure would hear something like "your opponent has sent in totally green pilots and you were fielding elite pilots" or "the Mars was in wrong position to the Sun" or "your opponent forgot to sacrifice a lamb" or something else... well, Rainer told me he has sent in his normal frontline pilots that got 70 air skill with 50+ def skill, which is nothing different from what I�m using in my squadrons (while I�m in the slow process of replacing my pilots with 70 air 70 def skill pilots, but on average, both sides� pilots were like clones)... in total, the enemy outnumbered us but this doesn�t matter as the strike routine takes care of any numerical advantages (and in this case, it didn�t even look that bad in terms of how the strikes looked like if you leave aside the 6 Franks that were lost on the way to the target)... we had radar and this enabled all available Thuds at Sangi to scramble, so setting a high Cap % isn�t necessary anymore (this is also true for the enemy as he routinely gets all his ac into the air now)...

so the pilots being equal, the enemy getting the "sweep bonus", "outnumbering" us, having not all that bad ac with the Tojo still doing very well usually and the Frank being quite a match for our fighters and the end result is a 70:3 loop... yeah, pure realism... real life kill rates went up to 10:1 at times, later in the war, having well trained Allied pilots flying excellent aircraft vs green Japanese pilots flying outdated aircraft like Oscars, Zekes or unreliable more modern types (the unreliability thing isn�t factored in in A2A of the game but only in the service rating so let�s leave this beside)... kill rates higher than 5:1 for the Allied were already great so what should I think about a 70:3 kill rate against Japanese pilots that are as good as the Allied flying aircraft that are far superior in A2A than the average Japanese fighter of real life? Radar has spotted the incoming raids, the Thuds were reinforced by 40 fighters from Manado and the enemy was at 6000ft which seems to be the main problem (wouldn�t matter if he would be at 30000ft though as radar would send our fighters just further up)... this alltogether then ends up in a never ending dive session that tears the enemy apart no matter how many fighters he would send in... with the 40+ Allied fighters still remaining at the end of this engagement we would have been able to take down another 150 enemy fighters! I don�t know if these never ending dive silliness is a poor attempt to simulate zoom and boom tactics but no matter if diving or not, these kill rates are nothing but a plain stupid thing... recently I bitched about 75 Lightnings flown by elite pilots (far better than my pilots in this case) losing 22:1 vs 30 Zekes/Georges on Cap that had the never ending dive, today I see the same stupidity just the other way around... I really don�t care which side is suffering, when I look at what is facing each other and I look at the results in the end then either I think it is ok (booh, or even realistic) or I think it is total stupidity. Both the recently instance with my P-38 as well as this turn�s happenings over Sangi is something I would call a totally borked routine. It�s not only the hardcoded screw up of every mission flown when it�s only about luck if you have something you would call a realistic strike (go and play BoB bombing the Reich to get some tips) this all then is made worse by a totally out of whack air to air routine that is absolutely ignoring physics or how things actually turned out 66 years ago.

Sorry people, I may be bitching a lot, I may be annoying, I may be going a step too far at times but I�m so annoyed about the stubborn ignorance that keeps on telling oh how realistic everything is. Or going the other way, blaming the players for exploiting something. Well, the strato sweep was the best exploit you could do as long as land based radar worked (never worked against nav based radar) and I�ve said it 50 times, everything is going to become worse when land based radar actually works again. Not because the strato sweep would be neutralized (now you most often see everything diving on your ac even though the enemy can�t even reach you - same as in WITP, explained with an argument like "your fighters have to come down to the enemy" - and then they get dived by the enemy when the come down or what?) but because radar is godmode now, just like it was in WITP. Do I think it is the same as in WITP? No, sorry, it is worse! Why? Because in WITP you had the bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce... this is now called dive... the difference is that in WITP when you had equally experienced pilots in first line aircraft you still could do "ok" while still suffering horrendous losses. Now you get loops like this one here. This is just off, sorry, it�s ridicoulos.

You know, the silliness trumps in the latest comment of the super ego posting:

Another interesting thing you'll see is players stating "when I fly my Sweeps at 45k' They rule the skies and take advantage of the sweep bonus...something isn't right about that. When they are told that they can see more historical results by flying more normal altitudes the totally ignore the obvious and continue to fly high altitude sweeps while complaining that the system is "broken"....

You can lead a horse to water....

this is when I laugh my a$$ off because it yet again proves that the main responsible for all this is still not playing the game or still fails to actually realize that most of his comments about the game are plain wrong (something he seems to have been told by the betas already). Well, as you can see in the above example (and in most examples in this AAR since radar has been working again), the aircraft are NOT set to their ceiling, neither the Japanese, nor the Allied, in the case at Sangi, not a single ac was flying even near it�s ceiling. But hey, there sure is another silly explanation for a result like this, probably one like "your opponent has done it wrong"... I�ve bitched about the strato sweep during the full year land based radar was broken, while me and my opponent both using the strato sweep, at the same time I�ve said it probably is going to become worse when land based radar is going to work again and that�s exactly how it is. Leaves me with the question if land based radar has never worked during development or if the results back then already were like they are now, or if the testing never made it out of Dec. 41 just like most of the brown nosers� games seem to never make it further than 5/42. The funny thing is that you then hear more and more people complaining about the same things as they reach later stages of the game with more and more loops.

Again, it�s not the game that is pissing me off, it�s the fact that some ppl still insist on how realistic it is, not admiting that there is a problem. I stopped bitching about the strato sweeps the day when it was officially admitted it would be an "exploit". But 10 months long it was said everything is working 100% realistic. It can�t, it is a game, but then don�t come up with those fantasy explanations why this or that happened please. In WITP everyone accepted the weaknesses because there was no chance to get them solved. Since AE has been out, there are people that suddenly think everything is near perfect or even realistic because there are halve a dozen more messages during air combat. AE has not only done one step forward, it has done lots of steps forward, it is a fully enhanced WITP and overal the far better GAME. But this won�t ever keep me from saying that these kind of results are nothing but stupid. Many things (if not all) are different from real life and many things can be done that couldn�t be done in real life, it�s a game and this is good for the game. If the Japanese can do more than in real life, then this is what really makes the game interesting. But if you then show up telling someone that this is realistic, then this is causing me

It�s great to have an opponent like Rainer who�s not only a realiable and sneaky opponent but who�s also thinking the same about all this shortcomings of the game like I do, even though he isn�t by far not as vocal as I may be. So many things in this game can�t be matched by any other game, the support is awesome, so many things were improved or it simply was said it wasn�t possible, but nearly with everything related to the air war (one of the most important aspects) I again go with what a beta tester told me over a year ago:

The longer you play, the more you will find out how borked the airroutines really are. Whise words...

at the moment I�ve got some issues with these E ship classes available in 44/45 but that�s more going into the direction of what I�ve written above in what is good for the game (boosting the morale and ASW ability of the Japanese player), but this is by far not as annoying as the airroutines which are just off the line.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Miri at 64,87

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
A6M5 Zero x 7
N1K1-J George x 2

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 12 damaged

Japanese Ships
PB Yamahagi Maru #3, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PB Kamitsu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Oyashima Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
8 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead
253 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead
261 Ku S-2 with A6M2 Zero (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead

wanted to shorten the range of these bombers last time but forgot about it... it paid off for us as the Cap was weak and weather was great...

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/13/2011 10:21:25 PM

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I will say that I find the tojo to be mostly outclassed by any second generation fighter. Surprisingly the hellcat seems to eat them up even though it is not faster. Thunderbolts, corsairs and lightnings have little problem in my game. Basically speed kills. It had its day but without armor and only middling speed the tojo is becoming obsolete. My oppoent has decided to build jacks and tonys as well and they seem to be much better fighters vs the heavy bombers. The tony really does shoot down a few liberators. But they are not very good vs my fighters because they are much slower, and the tony has a pretty poor climb rate as well which I believe is a big factor in beating the dive. I really don't worry about the Frank or George so much. I know that I will face them in the next few months but with a service rating of three, I expect to kill a lot of them on the ground.

Still the never ending dive rules and now that I have better planes it only works all that better. We have a ceiling cap of 29,000 feet so a lot of our combat takes place at 29k. The results are a little more balanced but the better Allied fighters still own the tojo.

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and here�s what I call one of the silly results the air routine is bringing up near constantly...

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 64,97

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 9
N1K1-J George x 14

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 74
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hokaze
DD Tawakaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
24 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *
6 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *
8 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
253 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead

ok, you probably are going to ask why... why? because the 74 P-38J that are flown by the best pilots available to the USAAF are shot to pieces by 23 enemy fighters as they lose no less than 22 P-38... the P-38 are set to escort, well, they show up with the bombers but the game treats them as sweep (would that be an advantage then??? ), probably the usual coordination silliness (yes, I don�t care about altitude as it just doesn�t matter as coordination is something I call "screwed by design")... what happens then? Do I even have to say the enemy had the never ending dive? The strike was picked up by radar, resulting in 16 min pre warning for the Japanese fighters which are set to 6000ft... the George unit shows up with "Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes"... and then I can watch the replay with the Japanese fighters diving and diving and diving and diving and diving until the point I thought, heck, this GAME is so silly, why not using a board game where all aircraft are the same and the higher dice wins... Lightning after Lightning was sent home burning and nearly two dozen crashed... the Lightnings were able to take down one Zero and damage two Georges... yeah, air to air routines are a masterpiece of computer programming for sure... the flying circus of Lightnings outnumbered the enemy 3.5:1, they had the better aircraft, they had a tactical advantage (height anyone?) and the had overall better pilots as my flying circus didn�t meet two enemy expert units... but hey, why should that mean the game could come up with at least a somewhat reasonable result? It can�t because it�s borked... unfortunately... means the enemy achieves a 22:1 kill rate here...

I�m not going as far as saying that this is a usual result, but one thing is for sure, with all the weaknesses of WITP air combat, you still get LESS totally unreasonable results like these totally silly loops in AE very often... in WITP you could get reasonable, realistic kill rates and this depended on numbers, ac type and pilot exp... when looking at your force and the enemy�s before an engagement, you usually could expect an outcome good or bad for you... in AE, I have no clue what reasonable factors you should look at because there just isn�t anything reasonable as soon as you leave the early war stages of 2 Zero daitais engaging one P-40 squadron it seems...

as a side note, I�m sure there are people around thinking this was a perfectly realistic example of the airwar in the Pacific... to me, with the given factors, it was a totally silly result...

Ok, Castor...I promised myself I'd stay away, but to be honest, out of morbid curiosity I look in on my little friend from time to time. Normally I chuckle and walk away. This time I am going to try and help you with a teachable moment...first let me throw out some numbers and let you chew on them. Feel free to PM me with your analysis of their meaning in this instance.

In no particular order...

29, 13, 6000, 16, 27, 3:1, 3000, 47

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/14/2011 3:08:45 AM

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29, 13, 6000, 16, 27, 3:1, 3000, 47

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RE: AE = Alpine Edition <-> Rainer79 vs. ranting... - 1/14/2011 7:25:23 AM

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I will say that I find the tojo to be mostly outclassed by any second generation fighter. Surprisingly the hellcat seems to eat them up even though it is not faster. Thunderbolts, corsairs and lightnings have little problem in my game. Basically speed kills. It had its day but without armor and only middling speed the tojo is becoming obsolete. My oppoent has decided to build jacks and tonys as well and they seem to be much better fighters vs the heavy bombers. The tony really does shoot down a few liberators. But they are not very good vs my fighters because they are much slower, and the tony has a pretty poor climb rate as well which I believe is a big factor in beating the dive. I really don't worry about the Frank or George so much. I know that I will face them in the next few months but with a service rating of three, I expect to kill a lot of them on the ground.

Still the never ending dive rules and now that I have better planes it only works all that better. We have a ceiling cap of 29,000 feet so a lot of our combat takes place at 29k. The results are a little more balanced but the better Allied fighters still own the tojo.

Rainer has opted for the George instead of the Jack it seems (there were some Jacks around earlier). The Tojo still does well in my game and as you can see, while the Frank has overall excellent stats (better than the Hellcat) it was shot out of the sky at a rate of 30:0 today. If this isn�t ass odd as today�s overall kill rate then I don�t know what. Achieving a three times better kill rate than in real life when the Allied faced crappy aircraft with crappy pilots when we face better aircraft and as good pilots as the Allied have?

You are going to be surprised that you won�t take out lots of Franks (or any other fighter) on the ground because radar works now. As you can see in this AAR already (game still three weeks ahead), the enemy is usually having all his fighters scramble with a low Cap setting (just as we do), which means his fighters don�t suffer from a high service rating and you hardly ever kill them on the ground, except you have damaged them the days before but I can asure you that you are also going to suffer for this (see cap&gown�s AAR for example when the Allied drained his airforce over Truk). In my case, I wouldn�t accept such losses and already would stop after one day as I can not afford it, so there wouldn�t be much destroyed on the ground on the fifth or sixth day of fighting because by then I would have already stopped.

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and here�s what I call one of the silly results the air routine is bringing up near constantly...

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 64,97

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 9
N1K1-J George x 14

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 74
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hokaze
DD Tawakaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
24 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *
6 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *
8 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet *

CAP engaged:
252 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
253 Ku S-1 with A6M5 Zero (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Raid is overhead

ok, you probably are going to ask why... why? because the 74 P-38J that are flown by the best pilots available to the USAAF are shot to pieces by 23 enemy fighters as they lose no less than 22 P-38... the P-38 are set to escort, well, they show up with the bombers but the game treats them as sweep (would that be an advantage then??? ), probably the usual coordination silliness (yes, I don�t care about altitude as it just doesn�t matter as coordination is something I call "screwed by design")... what happens then? Do I even have to say the enemy had the never ending dive? The strike was picked up by radar, resulting in 16 min pre warning for the Japanese fighters which are set to 6000ft... the George unit shows up with "Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes"... and then I can watch the replay with the Japanese fighters diving and diving and diving and diving and diving until the point I thought, heck, this GAME is so silly, why not using a board game where all aircraft are the same and the higher dice wins... Lightning after Lightning was sent home burning and nearly two dozen crashed... the Lightnings were able to take down one Zero and damage two Georges... yeah, air to air routines are a masterpiece of computer programming for sure... the flying circus of Lightnings outnumbered the enemy 3.5:1, they had the better aircraft, they had a tactical advantage (height anyone?) and the had overall better pilots as my flying circus didn�t meet two enemy expert units... but hey, why should that mean the game could come up with at least a somewhat reasonable result? It can�t because it�s borked... unfortunately... means the enemy achieves a 22:1 kill rate here...

I�m not going as far as saying that this is a usual result, but one thing is for sure, with all the weaknesses of WITP air combat, you still get LESS totally unreasonable results like these totally silly loops in AE very often... in WITP you could get reasonable, realistic kill rates and this depended on numbers, ac type and pilot exp... when looking at your force and the enemy�s before an engagement, you usually could expect an outcome good or bad for you... in AE, I have no clue what reasonable factors you should look at because there just isn�t anything reasonable as soon as you leave the early war stages of 2 Zero daitais engaging one P-40 squadron it seems...

as a side note, I�m sure there are people around thinking this was a perfectly realistic example of the airwar in the Pacific... to me, with the given factors, it was a totally silly result...

Ok, Castor...I promised myself I'd stay away, but to be honest, out of morbid curiosity I look in on my little friend from time to time. Normally I chuckle and walk away. This time I am going to try and help you with a teachable moment...first let me throw out some numbers and let you chew on them. Feel free to PM me with your analysis of their meaning in this instance.

In no particular order...

29, 13, 6000, 16, 27, 3:1, 3000, 47

Ian, I have promised not to start any of "these threads" on the main forum anymore because it is neither good for sales nor is it going to help the mood on the forum so I usually keep my disliked comments within this AAR now where ppl who don�t want to read don�t have to enter anyway and a potential customer probably won�t end up when skimming the forum for a couple of minutes. I�m amazed tbh that you do enter from time to time as you sure are aware my comments here wouldn�t look any different (or even worse) than my comments earlier on the main forum. Nevertheless you are of course very welcome. If you read a couple of turns further, you will get to March 11, which shows 70 Japanese fighters with excellent pilots mostly on a sweep shot down for the loss of 3 Allied fighters. These are the things that I feel that aren�t right as it just stretches the "what could be possible" too far IMO. You won�t believe it, many thoughts and things that went into the new system were great IMO with the biggest step forward being the fact that Cap isn�t 100% bullet prove anymore. The biggest drawback IMO are these loops that happen every couple of turns when you end up with kill rates around 20:1, means 2, 3, or 4+ times higher than in real life but with having well trained pilots and better aircraft for the Japanese (same aircraft and slightly better pilots for the Allied). I bet you won�t see me complain about a 3:1, 1:1, 5:1, 2:3, etc when it comes down to kill raes. Well, complaining about the performance of my strike not being great perhaps but not saying something is broken.

But hey, let�s see what we can get out of this. I would like to post my answer here instead of sending you a pm, so other ppl could benefit from the posts here or at least get amused by us two getting into a quarrel again.

let�s take your numbers (I�m at work and I don�t have the game available, so I can only go by memory if we are talking about aircraft stats for example).

29, (guess) man rating of the Tojo or George below 10k?

13, (guess) man rating of the Lightning below 10k?

6000, altitude the Cap is set

16, time the incoming strike still needs to reach the target

27, no idea

3:1, no idea, 3:1 numerical superiority for the Lightnings? Probably not, as this was one of my arguments why I found it odd that you lose 22:1 with a 3:1 numerical superiority

3000, altitude the raid was detected

47, distance the raid was detected

without the ranting comments above, let me summarize what I see here (feel free to tell me if there is something wrong with what I notice). The bombers are coming in with 74 Lightnings, they are listed as sweeping so this should even be an advantage for them in the game, they meet a maximum of 23 enemy fighters on Cap (not all according to the combat report as it takes some of them longer to reach the incoming strike than it takes the incoming strike to reach the target), the Lightnings are having an altitude advantage over the Cap (I�ve always thought such an alt difference wouldn�t be much of an advantage, you as a pilot told the forum it is because it�s not a problem to spot the enemy from the higher position - note that this is a strato sweep, but most of sweeps have been flown at various other altitudes since working radar has made this tactic pretty much obsolete - referring to March 10 turn) and the Lightnings are flown by my best pilots, air skill 70+, def between 60 and 70+ with many aces. None of the Cap fighters made it to the bombers but halve of the Lightning formation was shot up, resulting in 22 of them being shot down in the end. The 74 Lightnings manage to down one enemy fighter. The altitude this fight is happening may be better for the Japanese fighters than if it would happen at 30000ft (at least for the Zekes) but the altitude isn�t far from where it happened in real life in the end and with 3.5 times more Lightnings coming down to pass on the enemy fighters I wouldn�t expect it to turn out into a turning combat anyway which again leads me to the comment that I don�t think a 22:1 in losses that favours the Japanese is plausible. Neither this, nor the March 10 turn�s kill rates seem to be plausible to me as they are just too "good". Even if you aren�t really interested on the Pacific War, many people have heard the term Great Mariana�s turkey shoot and even there, the total ac loss ratio didn�t exceed 5:1 IIRC, with the A2A being probably at least twice as high but this with all the bombers shot down, in this turn and in the March 10 turn, we are talking about fighter vs. fighter kill rates. Doesn�t mean there weren�t insane kill rates (at least reported by the pilots) against enemy fighters, I think it were Bellau Wood�s Hellcats that claimed more than 30 enemy fighters shot down over Guam. Adding in all the bombers shot down and aircraft destroyed by flak I don�t know how this then fits in in the tally though and the question remains just how often and at what conditions it happened. If I post the total aircraft lost A2A in the game then one can see that the totals seem to look just fine with a 2:1 at best at this date, but that�s more due to having loops on both sides happening, so I�m not saying it�s side related. But to me, they happen just too often and aren�t just claims by pilots but the actual losses.

Perhaps (no, for sure) I should keep my usual comments more civilized, without anything that is seen as a personal attack or that is the constant rant about my petpeeves as it sure would be a more constructive way. It would for sure help coming along better but I�m not sure it would change the situation and usually it does just boom at my place when my PBEM runs turns like this one above or (even worse) the March 10 turn. Lots of unexpected things happened in real life, the question just is how often and how "unexpected".

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