Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I would actually question more the "No Attack Line". Not the existance of it, but the fact that the Soviet Player can effectively hold the Finns in place with 15 or so Fortified Zones (about 30K troops). Although the Soviets were well-aware of the Finnish reluctance to move past that line, they did keep actual combat units there.

Maybe there should be a HR that the Soviets should have to keep real units up there

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ORIGINAL: Jakerson


Well this problem can be solved to allow Finnish troops to attack over the no attack line but suffer big moral penalty from fighting other side of line. This makes Finnish troops less likely to be able to penetrate and decent defenses over the no attack line and retreat and route back to Finland in case some Finnish troops cross the line.

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...I would love to have Finnish separate peace as strategically option for Soviet player as I see it very valid that Soviet could have forced Finland to separate peace earlier major military offensive. Another condition which could trigger Finland separate peace could have Axis VP going too low in campaign. This simulate the fact that Finnish government see axis starting to lose and they willingness to seek separate peace with soviet union increase.

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Take the Finnish no attack line off the map, and set a random line that is unknown to both sides. Then Russians won't know the magic point to stop, and the Finns will push until High Command suddenly says stop. For added fun, have a tiny random chance there is no line at all.

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ORIGINAL: Pertti

The problem is that Finns had set up five different border options in 5/41, depending on the German success. (below a short summary)
1. Russia would be a major force even after the war and would hold Murmansk, therefore the Murmansk railroad should be left alone.
2. German would take Murmansk and Kuola, therefore the Stalin's canal should be left outside Finnish borders
3-5 Options were the boldest ones, identical in the south,Karelian Isthmus border as in 1939, then along Syväri (Svir) and the border facing east was in different place depending the situation.

In all the options the Leningrad was left outside and Svir was never actively crossed.

During the summer 1941, when the war seemed to go for the Germans, Finns started to go for the boldest option. The idea was to go all the way to the White Sea, but still no Leningrad and the Svir would be crossed only by 163.D assisted by Finnish forces when Germans reach and hold Tikhvin.
When Germans in fall -41 started to run out of steam, Finns dropped these calculations and stopped the eastern push in to the Poventsa (outside of WITE map) area.
By December 1941 Finns had reached all the goals set and would have been happy to sign peace with Russia if it would have been up to Finns alone, Germany was still too strong for Finns to take a risk and withdraw from the war. Starting February 1943, Finnish government started to active negotiations with Russians, but the terms were too hard.

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ORIGINAL: molchomor

Yes the game is a bit too obsessed with historical correctness IMHO for it to be the perfect wargame with endless re-playability, but it is very good anyway and perhaps we can hope for an expansion with optional increased player control over e.g.

- Allied limitations (no-go zones, no attack zones, etc.): would need option(s) to have these limitations active or not
- Withdrawals: e.g. option to let the player select units for withdrawal (surely OKH would accept a pzdiv with comparable or higher CV instead of your beloved and long-nursed Totenkopf ?)
- Production control: Now let's see what happens if I switch Magdeburg Hwy factory from producing 15 pz4/turn to tiger 1 production instead (5/turn)..