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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 4:57:18 PM   
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Ground combat at Nadi (131,160)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 30350 troops, 958 guns, 630 vehicles, Assault Value = 1465

Defending force 22341 troops, 418 guns, 421 vehicles, Assault Value = 779

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled


Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)


Assaulting units:
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
2nd Marine Regiment
145th Infantry Regiment
182nd Infantry Regiment
9th Marine Regiment
6th Marine Regiment
161st Infantry Regiment
8th Marine Regiment
2nd USMC Engineer Regiment
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
1st Marine Raider Battalion
30th NZ Battalion
1st Marine Regiment
132nd Infantry Regiment
34th Infantry Regiment
276th Coastal Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Raider Battalion
2nd/102nd Infantry Battalion
2nd Marine Defense Battalion
1st USMC Air Wing Base Force
4th Field Artillery Battalion
Nandi Base Force
97th Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
811th Engineer Aviation Battalion
205th Coast AA Regiment
70th Coast AA Regiment
148th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
I US Amphib Corps /1

Defending units:
8th Engineer Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Brigade
14th Division
Guards Tank Division
56th Field Artillery Regiment
8th Mountain Gun Regiment
24th JNAF AF Unit
2nd Air Division
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
36th JNAF AF Unit

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 5:31:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Questions about forming up US infantry divisions:

Is it worth it (is there an improvement in combat power to be achieved)?

I found the regiments for Americal (24th) (one regiment was lazing about stateside and two are in Nadi after evacuating New Caledonia) but what are the component regiments for 25th USA Div. according to AE (apparetnly 5 different regiments served in the 25th in WWII)?


Ditto the Marine Divisions.

Pacific Ocean Areas and South Pacific flagged US Army infantry:




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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 5:47:17 PM   
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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 5:50:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem is that due to a quirk in the combat model you will run into problems if you do not form divisions. The combat model likes to punish units disproportionately, to the point of wiping out small units. Small means relative to the battle. In a large battle that can mean a regiment. The unrealistic part is that it seems to go too far too often, although in general some units taking most of the casualties seems realistic overall.

When the patch is released (or if you have the Beta), you can purchase destroyed LCU's to rebuild so the problem is less now than it was before.

Also, small atolls/islands are often best assaulted by one or two regiment sized units, but dividing into /A/B/C would work for that.

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 6:17:11 PM   
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US Army Regiments haven't recovered from New Scotland either:




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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 6:28:38 PM   
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It might be time to give Lt. Grey a promotion.




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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 6:30:51 PM   
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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 6:48:43 PM   
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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 7:34:31 PM   
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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 8:26:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Seems like the extra flexibility of regiments is desirable at this time in SouPac

US Army Regiments haven't recovered from New Scotland either:




Cap'n , regiments are fine for the defensive phase of the game for the Allies. A US Rgt dug-in can defeat an IJA division; however, when the tables are turned, you will need divisions.

Recommend as you are spending PPs to free up restricted units, pay attentiton and assign all the elements of a division to the same HQs so you can consolidate into divisions as you transition to the offense without paying more PPs for the privilage.

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 9:37:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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What kind of replacement rate can we expect for these nasty buggers?

Expect them to be the mainstay IJAAF fighter for the next year or so. >150/month would not be atypical.


Santa Maria! 150 per month???? Isn't that more than all US types at this time?

Admiral Lord Sprior....bring lots and lots of Hurricanes for Weasel.

Yes, yes it is. Maybe you picked the wrong side in this fight, round eyes?

If you're playing scenario 2, they've had time to get their factories in full swing by now. I'd expect you to start seeing them regularly replacing Oscar Ic units, particularly in the defensive where their short 'legs' won't be as much an issue.

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 10:11:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Seems like the extra flexibility of regiments is desirable at this time in SouPac

US Army Regiments haven't recovered from New Scotland either:




Cap'n , regiments are fine for the defensive phase of the game for the Allies. A US Rgt dug-in can defeat an IJA division; however, when the tables are turned, you will need divisions.

Recommend as you are spending PPs to free up restricted units, pay attentiton and assign all the elements of a division to the same HQs so you can consolidate into divisions as you transition to the offense without paying more PPs for the privilage.


Hellooo... That is a novel concept to me. If I had to crystalize it I would say the central thesis is planning ahead! I like it.

So who knows which regiments belong to 25th ID?

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 10:38:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
What kind of replacement rate can we expect for these nasty buggers?

Expect them to be the mainstay IJAAF fighter for the next year or so. >150/month would not be atypical.


Santa Maria! 150 per month???? Isn't that more than all US types at this time?

Admiral Lord Sprior....bring lots and lots of Hurricanes for Weasel.

Yes, yes it is. Maybe you picked the wrong side in this fight, round eyes?

If you're playing scenario 2, they've had time to get their factories in full swing by now. I'd expect you to start seeing them regularly replacing Oscar Ic units, particularly in the defensive where their short 'legs' won't be as much an issue.


You are a regular "nattering nabob of negativism".

July 42 replacement rates for Allied fighters in production:

US (P-39/P-40E/F4F-4) ................................105 per month
Britain (Hurricane [all types], Martlet II).........66 per month
Commonwealth (Kittyhawk I/IA)....................31 per month

Total...................................................202

I didnt count the Canadian Huricane XIIb's because the only RCAF fighter squadron willing to leave Maple Leaf Land wont accept Hurris. I also just lost a slight gaminess notion for sending an RCAF squadron to the South Pacific if there are going to be 150 new Tojos every month.

Let's say the wee Jap dobbers ramp up the Tojo to 150 per month....what fighter will they sacrifice? Do they have to cut back on carrier capable Zeroes?

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 11:02:27 PM   
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So who knows which regiments belong to 25th ID?

Select one of the regiments of the division and click on the "Unit Organization" button in the lower left corner. It'll list the other units, and their location.

By ra way, when does the Stasi finally come into play?

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 11:03:14 PM   
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South Pacific: After the B-17 raid on Tanna which caught some 8 bombers adn 4 Zeroes on the ground, I predicted (to myself..using my Svengali-like powers) that JJ would put more fighters at Tanna, expecting another attack. Therefore, I suprise them...I no show up.

They did, indeed, reinforce Tanna at the expense of Noumea, which, according to the F-4 Lightnings and Cats at Nadi, still has 2 CV's in harbor. They are probably CS's or something of the sort...but....it is hard to resist. The B-17's will attack Noumea today even though about 1/3 or the aircraft are not ready.

A large bombardment attack at Nadi resulted in more friendly casualties than enemy. Doh! Time to go back to aerial bombardment.

The transports are unloading succesfully at Suva. SouthPac HQ is coming in today in a second convoy.

Oz: A Jap unit moved down the rail line toward Daly Waters. More planes scouted at Port Headland.

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 11:09:42 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

So who knows which regiments belong to 25th ID?

Select one of the regiments of the division and click on the "Unit Organization" button in the lower left corner. It'll list the other units, and their location.


I will try that. Thx.

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By ra way, when does the Stasi finally come into play?


Well, the Stasi part is the informing on your neighbors and housemates part. The HOA (OKW) has adopted the cool-sounding ranks of the SS AND the secret informant network of the Stasi. In business-speak this is known as "adopting best practices".

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/12/2011 11:12:28 PM   
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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 12:45:27 AM   
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Let's say the wee Jap dobbers ramp up the Tojo to 150 per month....what fighter will they sacrifice? Do they have to cut back on carrier capable Zeroes?

Well...

I'd answer this question as best I could, but I don't want to be misconstrued as "Mr. Negative-san".

Alright. Here's your answer. But I'm warning you, you aren't going to like it. Producing more Tojo IIas will likely mean production of less Oscar Ic s. Then again, those should be upgrading for the enemy soon to IIa s anyways. Yes, expect to see fewer Oscar Ic s in the air, but you were going to see fewer in the air anyways.

As far as the Tojo line goes, the IIb is scarcely an improvement over the IIa. The IIc (which is undoubtedly being hurried through R&D) is a killer with 4x20mm cannons main armament, IIRC. You'll likely be seeing some of these, mixed with Georges and Franks before long. Alright, I'm being snippy-you've got about a year or so. Hope this helps.

In terms of carrier-capable aircraft: I'd say that you will soon see fewer A6M2s in the air. That's because they will be replaced shortly by A6M3a s and, later in 1943-A6M5s. You shouldn't be seeing more A6M2s in the air then.

ETA: Sorry, not sure I answered your original question. The Japs don't have to sacrifice anything to produce copious quantities of the fighters that I've just outlined. It shouldn't be too difficult for them to continue to exceed your fighter production. With a little bit of ingenuity and planning, they may be able to produce 1.25-1.5x the number of fighters you have for much of 1943.

ETA II: Geez, that was negative, wasn't it? Now you die, Yankee dog!

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 1:10:50 AM   
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ETA II: Geez, that was negative, wasn't it? Now you die, Yankee dog!


Aha, but it could be we are smarter than they are ...well...it's possible.

Plus we have a large inventory of Wapiti!

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 9:20:51 AM   
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Hmmm........

Just a small question??????

Roger

I realise of course that this is a parallel universe - this AAR anyway.

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 9:59:27 AM   
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No, I don't see any problem with that at all.........



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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 10:52:53 AM   
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Aha, but it could be we are smarter than they are ...


It could be... We're doomed aren't we?

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 11:56:49 AM   
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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 1:33:41 PM   
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We are all doomed, but some are doomed faster than others.

Roger


Shades of Animal Farm?

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 4:03:33 PM   
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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 4:04:48 PM   
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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 4:28:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		*******Analysis of Allied Fighter production October 42*********

Let's look at October 42 after P-40E production has stopped and the K model is in production and the P-38F/G is rolling off the lines.


P-39...............................25
Sea Hurricane................5
F4F-4.............................45
Hurricane IIc..................36
P-38F/G..........................60
P-43A.........................12
KittyhawkIII...................12
P40K..............................65
Beaufighter Vc................6
Spitfire Vc......................18

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Total............................284


Now, this is likely a bit rosier than reality because I am sure there will be some restricted squadrons mopping up US production of P-38's to some degree and because it may be difficult to fully employ the RCAF because of restrictions as well.




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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 4:35:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose someone is going to tell us that wee Jap dobber pilot traing can also match the Allies in Scenario 2???

And carrier production too???

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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 4:41:01 PM   
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I suppose someone is going to tell us that wee Jap dobber pilot traing can also match the Allies in Scenario 2???

And carrier production too???



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RE: Game theory and the Stasi - 2/13/2011 4:45:25 PM   
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Somebody's cousin apparently has the contract for those crappy Fulmars. We are wallowing in Martlets too. Maybe they can get into the fight more. Perhaps we can sell some MiG's to Ecuador or something.




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