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Stalin's in the gulag, I'm in charge! II - vs 2ndACR (A... - 3/6/2011 6:49:02 PM   
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Now I'm busy so I will start this new thing later. And needless to say, all the comments are the most welcome (yes, harsh criticism included). And YES, this time I want to get some! I should get some!! At least until blizzard!

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Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) - 3/6/2011 6:52:49 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/6/2011 7:25:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Nyet! I am Comrade Senno of the NKVD. There shall be no improvisation. This battalion shall help reinforce that lesson, now. Oh, there they are, in the minefield. Comrades, how is the "improvisation" going? I imagine not so well. Now, Comrade TD, what were you saying about improvisation?"

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/6/2011 7:34:24 PM   
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"Nyet! I am Comrade Senno of the NKVD. There shall be no improvisation. This battalion shall help reinforce that lesson, now. Oh, there they are, in the minefield. Comrades, how is the "improvisation" going? I imagine not so well. Now, Comrade TD, what were you saying about improvisation?"


The NKVD guys have little choice. I'm the BOSS And while we talk about them (the NKVD guys) I will mention something. On my other game I let them die in Riga. And that was perhaps a bad thing. I mean, I always let some troops in medium, big cities, that's normal. But the NKVD guys are good fighters (morale bonus or something like that). So now I want them to survive the first massacres. Let's see if it can be done

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/6/2011 7:46:17 PM   
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"Accept my apologies Comrade TD, I was at the front, unaware of our recent change in leadership. Did I say Comrade Senno? I meant I am Comrade Khruschev, that right, c...h...e...v . What am I doing in Moscow? Umm, well, that's a good question... /Runs away.... =P

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/6/2011 8:10:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know people were talking about this thing on some thread. I didn't follow this issue though. All I know is I should be getting some... amphibious operation included or not

Well, I'm lying, I hope he does not pocket all my frontier districts troops (and in fact I suspect he will) If he does then my defensive strategy should be changed accordingly.

Oh, and this time I will not assassinate Vasilevski

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/6/2011 8:11:44 PM   
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Oh, and this time I will not assassinate Vasilevski


Hehe.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/6/2011 8:19:32 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/6/2011 10:06:52 PM   
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Turn 1

22 june 1941


Well... here we go! In the weird and great movie Deliverance there is an infamous scene which everyone knows, remembers. Involving Ned Beatty and hmm the other guy. The case is, when they hired this guy the director asked him about the scene he would be performing. The guy --a semi-professional actor-- apparently replied: "I've done worse"

Well, then I was rather scared when I was opening the turn sent by my opponent. BUT hey, I've seen worse!!!! In fact I was terrorised about ONE thing... the encirclement of my mega Southwestern Front! Then nope! My units in this Lvov salient won't be able to leave like gentlemen (as Oleg would say) because the rail line has been cut off... BUT I have CUT OFF 2 Panzer divisions, which (I hope! ) will allow my troops in this salient to leave towards safety on next turn!



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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:07:04 AM   
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Sooooo... definitely I don't think I will need to improvise! My situation is not that bad so I am going to follow EXACTLY the strategy I used in my other game... I paste from my other AAR

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Now some 'strategic' considerations...

I don't think I will be inventing anything So I'm going to follow the Soviet strategy

a) most important enemy units are in the center (or Western District) [still true vs 2ndACR]
b) Moscow is the capital of the motherland [the Aliens haven't moved it yet]

ergo... most of the strategic reserves will go THERE

The STAVKA armies 19, 20, 21, 22 [and 24] will be sent to this important sector. The 16 (in Ukraine) will be sent to cover the Moscow approaches too.
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The 16th Army (not frozen) has already been sent west of Smolensk (by rail) I have sent quite many independent corps attached to STAVKA which were in the south to the center as well... There's going to be a BIG MASS here, as usual. The mission? Obviously contain the enemies, protect Moscow!

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:08:54 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:10:07 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:11:30 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:13:12 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:14:02 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:19:02 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:22:48 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:30:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you gonna disband any corps hq's?

There's 80+ of them. Mine disbanded on mass at turn 5.

I was pissed at losing 4 mountain divs to shattering, you may want to save them for Odessa or the Crimea or 2nd/3rd line duty.

BTW construction troops attached to fortified regions dont help them to dig. My bug report was answered with 'This is a known issue, and should...be fixed'.

I disbanded about 17 SAD airbases (they contain 5000 men plus 300-700 vehicles) cos my manpower got tight. I was running out every turn.

I was usually placing 250,000 men in the refit segment into the front line.

After SAD disbands I got an extra 130,000 men allocated.

Are you gonna use the motorised divisions, or place them STATIC?

They can be made static, you will get lots of AP plus they upgrade to rifle divs around turn 10 and can be reactivated cheaply.

Get a unit digging at any city and any piece of rough ground you can find.

Never allow a unit to fortify an unimportant hex around Leningrad/Moscow. The civilians will help the occupied hexes.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:30:13 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:42:28 AM   
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Are you gonna disband any corps hq's?

There's 80+ of them. Mine disbanded on mass at turn 5.

I was pissed at losing 4 mountain divs to shattering, you may want to save them for Odessa or the Crimea or 2nd/3rd line duty.

BTW construction troops attached to fortified regions dont help them to dig. My bug report was answered with 'This is a known issue, and should...be fixed'.

I disbanded about 17 SAD airbases (they contain 5000 men plus 300-700 vehicles) cos my manpower got tight. I was running out every turn.

I was usually placing 250,000 men in the refit segment into the front line.

After SAD disbands I got an extra 130,000 men allocated.

Are you gonna use the motorised divisions, or place them STATIC?

They can be made static, you will get lots of AP plus they upgrade to rifle divs around turn 10 and can be reactivated cheaply.

Get a unit digging at any city and any piece of rough ground you can find.

Never allow a unit to fortify an unimportant hex around Leningrad/Moscow. The civilians will help the occupied hexes.


I've already disbanded some Corps HQs: especially those that were in dangerous places. On my other game on turn 4 or 5 I had disbanded all of them.

I like the mountain divisions. I think they have more morale and experience. I will NOT let them die for nothing. Rifle divisions, ok, but the mountain guys have to survive.

As for the Fortified Regions I only use them to dig far in the rear. When the enemy appears (Sire Chaos never appeared ) I disband them. They dig, they don't fight Perhaps I will be building some of them near Moscow and Leningrad.

As for refit, I did not use it on my other game I will have to pay attention to that now!

The motorized divisions will fight if I need them. They are cannon fodder, just like everyone else I keep them as fighting units.

Yes, I always garrison the medium and big cities.

I don't disband air bases though. I really didn't pay attention to the air war on my other game. Remember that SINGLE pilot flying whilst I was slaughtering the AGN divisions?

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:48:30 AM   
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I disbanded SAD airbases,AT brigades,Cav Corps HQ just to reclaim manpower.

The mountain divs dont come back once destroyed unlike rifle/motorised/tanks.

I wrote this http://witewiki.com/index.php/Organise_your_support_units its the best way of clearing su's from corps cheaply

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:00:42 AM   
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In fact I haven't said all I have done on this turn. So here I go:

HQs:
STAVKA support level: 9
ALL the other HQs: 0

I want all the HQs to kick everything out to STAVKA. Once it's done (1 or 2 turns) I will start buying support units. I 100% micromanage this thing. The priority number ONE? ALL the STAVKA armies in the Center (last screenshot) get Construction Bns (they help your troops to dig ). That's the first thing I assign. Then artillery, etc.

Air Forces:
I have sent all the planes to the National Reserve. I will re-depoly them again on the next turns I want to micro-manage this thing too

Zhukov has not been appointed yet as Boss-in-Chief of the Western Front. The HQ is way too close to enemy Panzers... I don't want them to scare this HQ away and kill my Top Ace Zhukov! So I will wait one more turn. The HQ will be then 100% safe.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:08:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Build RR Brigades there still construction troops and have a construction value of 40 whereas the CB's const value is 10. They both cost the same after all.

Bomb Ploesti oilfields with long range bombers, the airbases start in the Crimea.

Then tell us the results.

That'll irritate him!

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 2:08:44 AM   
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Either I am a moron (and therefore haven't understood anything) or he is a kamikaze I can (and will do that) cut off er the 80% (yes, you read it well) of his 4 Panzer Armies! Is this normal?? Part of his isolated AGN Panzers will be at 8 or 10 hexes of friendly controlled hexes. What the f...! Is this a "normal" German strategy (after all vs Sire Chaos nothing was normal)?

Shouldn't this hurt the Panzers or the airdrop thing will make these kessel irrelevant?

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 2:54:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, that's normal. He should be closing in on Pskov, generally. His supplies start off with extra supplies on normal. so he will be in good shape to free them and pocket your forces if you get them cut off. I wouldn't recommend that you get to far forward, as he will pocket you right up.

That's if you are presenting your historical defense, though. I think a checkerboard defense is to jam them up at every step.

Air drops help, but aren't a panacea, in any case.

I will now only read his AAR for enjoyment, and tell him "he's the man" but leave out comment, haha. Not that he wants my help...

My "help" such as it is will be for you during this fine game.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 8:16:11 AM   
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I think the 1st turn shock penalty hurts only portions of the map for the Sovs, and the mount. divisions are out of that area; they aren't necessarily better, they just don't get punched in the groin with the penalty.  Unless I read the manual incorrectly.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 10:49:11 AM   
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During turn 1 as Soviets, it is not my priority to cut off the German sperheads, because I think they are over-stocked at the beginning of the game, and being this turn shorter (only half a week), I think it can be almost irrelevant from the supply point of view whether they are isolated or no.

But...
in turn 2 I would take any chance to cut off. I did it in my own game and my opponent said in his email with Turn Axis 3: "Wow...Im learning alot here. Dont underestimate a human opponent :)", so I understood the supply situation was affected (severely?)

Maybe doing so you can steal some precious MP, and perhaps when Turn 3 arrives you are still holding Vitebsk and Mogilev (I do not know where is you enemy now at turn 2). According to the "Road to Minsk" scenario (which I think is a useful guide), if in turn 3 the Soviet has Vitebsk and Mogilev, he is doing fine.

And yes, I agree with Cookie, it seems better to "buy" RR Brigades than Construction Battalions. Despite their railroad names, they are fine building forts. They cost 1 AP too, and construct much better. They use more manpower, though. But as Flavius says, the best Red weapon is the spade.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 11:39:41 AM   
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Yes, that's normal. He should be closing in on Pskov, generally. His supplies start off with extra supplies on normal. so he will be in good shape to free them and pocket your forces if you get them cut off. I wouldn't recommend that you get to far forward, as he will pocket you right up.


Senno, I still don't get it 1) they will be cut off 2) the territory behind them will be mine 3) his infantry can't catch up either, too early.

The only ones that can encircle me are precisely these units that I will be cutting off I mean, they will NOT be advancing this turn towards Pskov, Mogilev, Vitebsk (the territory around AND behind them is mine). That or I haven't understood anything, really

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 11:55:02 AM   
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Yes, that's normal. He should be closing in on Pskov, generally. His supplies start off with extra supplies on normal. so he will be in good shape to free them and pocket your forces if you get them cut off. I wouldn't recommend that you get to far forward, as he will pocket you right up.


Senno, I still don't get it 1) they will be cut off 2) the territory behind them will be mine 3) his infantry can't catch up either, too early.

The only ones that can encircle me are precisely these units that I will be cutting off I mean, they will NOT be advancing this turn towards Pskov, Mogilev, Vitebsk (the territory around AND behind them is mine). That or I haven't understood anything, really


Well, an isolated unit is not frozen, if you are referring to that. It can be moved. It can advance. But with low efectivity (less MP, less morale). Sorry if I have not understood you. Have you got a screenshot?

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