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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 11:19:56 PM   
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Detrinsky Tullovich Guards.


LOL Not a good idea though Knowing me, I would keep them out of harm ways... parading all day and night long. They would soon become an alcoholic mob only good to loot and pursue nurses or any woman which moves

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 11:31:10 PM   
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TD has brought in a lot more units than I have normally seen in an AAR. I suspect that is what has surprised 2ndACR. Most Soviets seem to try to setup at Pskov.


Mynok, this is one of the things I learned on my other game True, on my other game I didn't hide near Pskov but I wasn't next to the Panzer spearheads either (if I remember correctly). When I finished my AAR one of my conclusions was: no free spaces for Panzers, NOTHING. ZOCs, ZOCs and more ZOCs. I will stick to it because 1) that's what the experts say and most important 2) I am much more confident now, after that first game So I doubt I'll be running away. I will wait for my opponent. The good thing? If he does not play his cards correctly (which is possibly the case now) you are rather close to the enemy and then...

GO FOR THE JUGULAR!



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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 11:36:35 PM   
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GO FOR THE JUGULAR!




I think you took off the whole head. That's if you believe the theory that once behind, always behind, though.

His supply states should be ok yet, though.

This is fun to follow...

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 11:43:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, where you moved into Rumania. They were already active from the German units moving down there. I had wondered if you would see to move the two mountain units into Rumania to cut off those units. I just don't see how he didn't anticipate that move. You did and I am going to guess the first thing out will be a aww sh** moment for him. 



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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 11:53:46 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 2:38:36 AM   
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Yes, where you moved into Rumania. They were already active from the German units moving down there. I had wondered if you would see to move the two mountain units into Rumania to cut off those units. I just don't see how he didn't anticipate that move. You did and I am going to guess the first thing out will be a aww sh** moment for him. 





If Comrade Tullovich gets a Rumanian surrender roll......well....let's just say that 2ndACR is a combat vet and will absolutely empty his vast vocabulary of expletives. There might be a rule I've forgotten or never knew preventing that but I don't recall one.

Indeed, if that does happen I believe 2ndACR's wife will be buying paint.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 3:08:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I believe the early Romanian activation is something that just the Axis player can perform.

The Ruskie player should be aware that his units in the area can also be victimized by the 'freeze' situation; a unit north of the line, moved to the south of the freeze line ( I believe the freeze line begins at Y 97 ) will freeze, like the Sov units already frozen, until the Romanians are unfrozen.

I've seen 2ACR busy in the "Axis 1st turn" threads; he may be trying out something new.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 3:48:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have had Russian units go into "freeze mode" if you move them too far south, so that sounds right. So if you move them down there, make sure you get them to where you want them on that turn. :)

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 3:59:50 AM   
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Anyone know if Rumanian surrender was risked here? Need to read those rules.


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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 4:07:55 AM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 12:44:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now I'm at work. 2ndACR striked back, a very nice recovery!

My worst scenario (or should I say nightmare) is here! The Southwestern Front does not exist As other people said, maybe I bought one turn in the Western and Northwest Fronts. I'll be cutting off again some of his pixel truppen (Panzer units) in these two important fronts. Let's see if I can slow him down again. I will try to send the turn tonight and of course paste some screenshots

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 1:08:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, we have seen 2ndACR's turn and we were waiting for you to arrive here in what a cynic observer could call mournful silence...

But most of the SW Front is more or less doomed from the outset, due to the developed Axis opening theory present in the Forum, so if he finally kills that in Turn 4 is OK for you.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 1:30:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Southwestern front starts well over command capacity anyway.

The Lvov units were doomed, so why not break the isolation and isolate his panzers.

You didnt really have a choice. I think you may have only commited a few units which could have otherwise escaped.

A little bit of excitement is what us AAR readers need.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 3:28:01 PM   
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on my other game


Er spricht wie ein Deutscher! :)

And no, SW Front isn't gone, it is just about to teleport far, far to the rear.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 4:17:25 PM   
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on my other game


Er spricht wie ein Deutscher! :)

And no, SW Front isn't gone, it is just about to teleport far, far to the rear.


You mean far to the German rear, I suspect... industry armaments He is going to put these many hordes to good use!

Now I have two choices... I do NOT divert forces from the Western Front to the SW or I do... The case is if I do that all the fronts will be weak. So I have made my choice: only the STAVKA strategic reserves which appear more or less near the SW will be sent there, basically behind the Dnper. So that means a free ride for him here.

P.S.: now please somebody assassinate the ****** who developed the AGS sophisticated first moves ...

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 6:07:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a matter of fact, Axis opening theory is progressively making the remarks about "oh, the Soviets can avoid their mistakes and the Germans cannot" less true. It seems as if the Soviet player cannot do much, against an erudite bookish opening, to avoid the encirclement and destruction of an important part of its frontier forces.

It is pretty clear that 2ndACR is a formidable opponent, so this is going to be funny funny funny.

And yes, I think you are right, sending some forces from STAVKA to SW Front behind the Dnieper seems a sensible option. If you feel during his next turns that his central or northern push are not so strong as they could/should be, you can consider redirect a increasingly greater portion of reinforcements towards Ukrainia (although I know it is not at the top of your strategic priorities)

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/8/2011 9:05:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's exciting, for sure. 2ndACR made an amazing turnaround.

I can't wait to see how you come back. But as you have noted elsewhere, and others here, South-Western front was "extra" just about. And did a fine job of delaying while meeting their expected end.



edit: /poke.



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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 10:46:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		OUUFFFF!! I thought Vasilevsky would be KIA or POW! *Gone, poof, vanished* I knew he was in charge of the 6th Rifle Corps and thought the poor soul was trapped somewhere in the Lvov salient. Imagine the poor guy forced to serve the coffees and pretzels to Goering, Goebbels or Hitler himself with a Bavarian fraulein outfit... But I found his Rifle Corps EAST of the trapped units in the Southwestern Front! I have disbanded the HQ, so he stays...





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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:05:30 PM   
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Turn 3

3 july 1941


Ok, changes on the AAR. I will only upload screenshots after I moved. No two steps. It takes many time.

In the Northwest I am cutting his AGN Panzers off again. This should slow him down




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:10:41 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:10:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Woot. Yeah, you have started the battle for Leningrad way out in front of Pskov. It's all a great delay. As long as you are careful and avoid encirclements, it's another turn for ya as a success, I think.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:17:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the Western Front my defence is taking shape. I love it! More Panzers will be cut off here as well.




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:24:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		And now the Massacre Zone! Great job, 2ndACR. As I have said, I will deliberately be weak here... If I were sending STAVKA strategic reserves here (I mean now) my Western Front would not look that "massive" (only turn 3, remember). I have also sent reserves to the NW and W rears...




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:27:19 PM   
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His parry was a thing of beauty. But it's early as you said.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:27:22 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		And the STAVKA strategic reserves sent to Moscow approaches. SWAMP hexes and towns.

Like 4 divisions will be arriving to the Leningrad area on next turn from the east map edge.






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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:42:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now almost all the armies got minimum 2 sapper Bns + 2 RR brigades (aka dig or die!) + artillery. No APs left to put good leaders in charge of some armies. In theory minimum the ones between Vitbesk and Smolensk: the 24th and 19th armies that is On the next turn I will appoint these top aces, I guess: Vatutin, etc.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/9/2011 11:47:51 PM   
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Land for time in the south.

His parry was a thing of beauty. But it's early as you said.


Yes It has indeed complicated my defence... When your many hordes in the Southwest survive... that's bad news for Germans! On my other game I ended up diverting 19 divisions to other fronts... And my defence was still strong down there in Ukraine.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/10/2011 12:00:19 AM   
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Land for time in the south.

His parry was a thing of beauty. But it's early as you said.


Yes It has indeed complicated my defence... When your many hordes in the Southwest survive... that's bad news for Germans!


Yeah, found that out the hard way...

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/10/2011 12:01:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		One more thing. On my first email to 2ndACR --when I was sending the first PBEM turn (the Soviets create and send the thing to the German player)-- I told my opponent that I would NOT be moving the Soviet divisions from the two Finnish No Attack Lines: north of Leningrad and east of Lake Ladoga.

As I see it, that IS a gamey tactic. If you kick these rifle divisions out of this task you have an extra 8 or 9 divisions to fight elsewhere... but is that realistic? The truth is the Soviets ALWAYS kept divisions up there: the 7th and 23rd armies Keeping only Security Regiments and Fortified Regions is in my opinion a nasty little trick

No matter what I will keep them there. And I think every Soviet player should do the same...

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