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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 9:52:16 PM

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Sorry if I hurt you Nik. It might have been a little insensitive of me to start talking about that given that I know of your current situation. My bad.

Your old rig sounds like mine. It's a Intel Quad 6850 Extreme running at 3.66 GHz. GTS 8800 Gfx card. Only went for 4GB RAM as I run 32 bits XP.

Hope that things will work out for you so you can build that new rig. In the meantime, however, a 17" MacBook is not a too shabby substitute in by books at least

Not at all. I've accepted the situation and am trying to look forward to better things at this point, as well as keeping busy......for example, i've completed a Grand campaign scenario for may 1942 AE and i may even have a couple interviews lining up if things go well. (still waiting to see)

Yes....my system is almost exactly that only i went with a mid-line Core2 Quad (IIRC....a 3860 or something similar) vs. the extreme. Intel almost snared me into paying $700 more for it but after looking at the benchmarks at Tom's Hardware i figured i'd never notice the slight performance increase....certainly not enough to justify 1100$ vs. 400$ for the CPU!!!! (Intel is doing the same with the i7....their 'extreme' version is 1100.00 while a good midline i7 is only 300-400$) Originally it was 4GB running 32bit Vista but after upgrading to Win7 64 i added 4 more Gigs. She was a sweet rig......till the ASUS "CPU INIT" bug hit, leaving me with nothing but spare parts.

I'll never buy ASUS again. MSI from here on out.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:06:16 PM

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Sorry if I hurt you Nik. It might have been a little insensitive of me to start talking about that given that I know of your current situation. My bad.

Your old rig sounds like mine. It's a Intel Quad 6850 Extreme running at 3.66 GHz. GTS 8800 Gfx card. Only went for 4GB RAM as I run 32 bits XP.

Hope that things will work out for you so you can build that new rig. In the meantime, however, a 17" MacBook is not a too shabby substitute in by books at least

Not at all. I've accepted the situation and am trying to look forward to better things at this point, as well as keeping busy......for example, i've completed a Grand campaign scenario for may 1942 AE and i may even have a couple interviews lining up if things go well. (still waiting to see)

Good, and fingers crossed for the last part.

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Yes....my system is almost exactly that only i went with a mid-line Core2 Quad (IIRC....a 3860 or something similar) vs. the extreme. Intel almost snared me into paying $700 more for it but after looking at the benchmarks at Tom's Hardware i figured i'd never notice the slight performance increase....certainly not enough to justify 1100$ vs. 400$ for the CPU!!!! (Intel is doing the same with the i7....their 'extreme' version is 1100.00 while a good midline i7 is only 300-400$) Originally it was 4GB running 32bit Vista but after upgrading to Win7 64 i added 4 more Gigs. She was a sweet rig......till the ASUS "CPU INIT" bug hit, leaving me with nothing but spare parts.

I'll never buy ASUS again. MSI from here on out.

Yeah I know about that pricey CPU thing. I had some vision about starting to learn and do some serious overclocking so I went for the "Extreme" model. Hindsight says I shouldn't have bothered. Too much work with too little output. In the end, just went for upping the clock frequency multiplier with 20% in the bios. Runs fast and is stable at those settings. Will probably go for a mid-range model if I buy an i7.

Oh, you got the dreaded ASUS bug

. I used to run ASUS MB's in my earlier rigs and never had any problems with them. (Luckily) switched to a Gigabyte MB for this one and is even more satisfied. Good quality for a pretty good price. Never tried MSI although they usually get good reviews.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:09:48 PM

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I'll never buy ASUS again. MSI from here on out.

I've always run MSI boards. Never had a problem. Of course, I don't do cussing-edge machines either, since gaming isn't my thing. I do just dandy with prior generation CPUs. I put my bucks where it counts for me: audio software. Saving up my dollars for DigiTools now that they've decided to support any audio interface.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:10:16 PM

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Man, prayers for the pacific.....that's a MASSIVE quake. Doesn't Richter only go to 9?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:14:11 PM

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Man, prayers for the pacific.....that's a MASSIVE quake. Doesn't Richter only go to 9?

Agreed. And no, the Richter scale is a normal logaritmic scale so could (theoretically) go even higher. Highest magnitude earthquake that they've measured was a 9.5 in Chile 1960.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:16:22 PM

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Oh, you got the dreaded ASUS bug . I used to run ASUS MB's in my earlier rigs and never had any problems with them. (Luckily) switched to a Gigabyte MB for this one and is even more satisfied. Good quality for a pretty good price. Never tried MSI although they usually get good reviews.

My P4 was rebuilt back in the early 00's using an MSI high end board (Neo- series ....designed for overclocking etc). Great board and performed just as advertised on the boot up screen...."Fast...reliable...stable". Ran for eight years of heavy use without a hitch......till it caught fire. (and that was most likely due to a defective power source.) I purchased a used one of the same model off Ebay to replace it as i still use the P4 as my Win98 box (and along with the 486 i found...i still have it)

The core2 machine....yeah, serious pisser. I tried every fix i could find via research, including removing the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS completely. Nothing worked....even had it worked, there was no fix from ASUS so i'd litterally have had to leave the machine on for the rest of it's service life.....kind of hard when your living out of your car!

Scrapped the MOB....and the case and now i'm carrying around several hundred dollars worth of spare parts in the trunk of my car. I should probably sell the CPU.....might get a few bucks for it......still a spry CPU.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:24:09 PM

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... and now I sank the Hibiki. Having a "feeling guilty" evening over here.

Well, Per, if you felt that guilty about sinking the HIJMS Hibiki, you *could* always cleanse yourself the old fashioned way-through ritual atonement to the Emperor.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:27:42 PM

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I'm sorry, but my wakizashi is in the dishwasher.

Edited. Language center malfunction.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:52:46 PM

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I'm sorry, but my wakizashi is in the dishwasher.

Edited. Language center malfunction.

You could use a dull butter knife.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:54:31 PM

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Man, prayers for the pacific.....that's a MASSIVE quake. Doesn't Richter only go to 9?

Agreed. And no, the Richter scale is a normal logaritmic scale so could (theoretically) go even higher. Highest magnitude earthquake that they've measured was a 9.5 in Chile 1960.

Translated into non-geek: it's an open-ended scale.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:58:27 PM

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Started Dragon Age II. It's early days yet, but the story seems very complicated.

Bought it yesterday, started it up... BUT, I need a new system. Without a dual core CPU whenever you reach an autosave point the game goes into a continuous loop trying to save. I guess sometimes in the next few weeks I'll have to put together a new machine...

Well, that's why I have an i7.

Does DA2 really need that much more processing power than the original? The original DA ran fine on my ****e machine.

No, not even close.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 10:59:01 PM

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Simon, Dixie, or anyone else who knows....

I was skimming through my upcoming reinforcements and came upon K Squadron, a Brit fighter unit. Do you guys know what the backstory is to it not having a numeric designation? Just curious.

Thanks.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:02:20 PM

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I'm sorry, but my wakizashi is in the dishwasher.

Edited. Language center malfunction.

You could use a dull butter knife.

Those are also in the dishwasher.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:03:39 PM

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Man, prayers for the pacific.....that's a MASSIVE quake. Doesn't Richter only go to 9?

Agreed. And no, the Richter scale is a normal logaritmic scale so could (theoretically) go even higher. Highest magnitude earthquake that they've measured was a 9.5 in Chile 1960.

Translated into non-geek: it's an open-ended scale.

Right. And for every 1.0 the magnitude goes up, the shaking amplitude doubles.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:06:14 PM

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Simon, Dixie, or anyone else who knows....

I was skimming through my upcoming reinforcements and came upon K Squadron, a Brit fighter unit. Do you guys know what the backstory is to it not having a numeric designation? Just curious.

Thanks.

K Squadron was a provisional Hurricane unit pieced together from bits and pieces (planes and pilots in transit) for the defence of Ceylon. It became G Squadron and ended up as 258 Squadron.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:06:54 PM

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Oh, you got the dreaded ASUS bug . I used to run ASUS MB's in my earlier rigs and never had any problems with them. (Luckily) switched to a Gigabyte MB for this one and is even more satisfied. Good quality for a pretty good price. Never tried MSI although they usually get good reviews.

My P4 was rebuilt back in the early 00's using an MSI high end board (Neo- series ....designed for overclocking etc). Great board and performed just as advertised on the boot up screen...."Fast...reliable...stable". Ran for eight years of heavy use without a hitch......till it caught fire. (and that was most likely due to a defective power source.) I purchased a used one of the same model off Ebay to replace it as i still use the P4 as my Win98 box (and along with the 486 i found...i still have it)

The core2 machine....yeah, serious pisser. I tried every fix i could find via research, including removing the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS completely. Nothing worked....even had it worked, there was no fix from ASUS so i'd litterally have had to leave the machine on for the rest of it's service life.....kind of hard when your living out of your car!

Scrapped the MOB....and the case and now i'm carrying around several hundred dollars worth of spare parts in the trunk of my car. I should probably sell the CPU.....might get a few bucks for it......still a spry CPU.

Howdy, Nik and Per.

What is it that's so special about "gaming" machines? I do lots of very graphics intensive drawings for patent applications and lots of engineering drawings for the toys we build for the military, but have never had any issues with a good old standard machine (does have 4 Meg RAM and a 1 Gig HD, though). What is it that gaming machines do that makes them so pricey? or need all that extra oomph?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:07:54 PM

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A lot of it is pure testosterone, John. "Look at my mighty machine! Cower, for it is great!".

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:08:46 PM

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Speaking of toys, I got a PS3 today. I think I'm getting a little overexcited with the money...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:16:43 PM

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Oh, you got the dreaded ASUS bug . I used to run ASUS MB's in my earlier rigs and never had any problems with them. (Luckily) switched to a Gigabyte MB for this one and is even more satisfied. Good quality for a pretty good price. Never tried MSI although they usually get good reviews.

My P4 was rebuilt back in the early 00's using an MSI high end board (Neo- series ....designed for overclocking etc). Great board and performed just as advertised on the boot up screen...."Fast...reliable...stable". Ran for eight years of heavy use without a hitch......till it caught fire. (and that was most likely due to a defective power source.) I purchased a used one of the same model off Ebay to replace it as i still use the P4 as my Win98 box (and along with the 486 i found...i still have it)

The core2 machine....yeah, serious pisser. I tried every fix i could find via research, including removing the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS completely. Nothing worked....even had it worked, there was no fix from ASUS so i'd litterally have had to leave the machine on for the rest of it's service life.....kind of hard when your living out of your car!

Scrapped the MOB....and the case and now i'm carrying around several hundred dollars worth of spare parts in the trunk of my car. I should probably sell the CPU.....might get a few bucks for it......still a spry CPU.

Howdy, Nik and Per.

What is it that's so special about "gaming" machines? I do lots of very graphics intensive drawings for patent applications and lots of engineering drawings for the toys we build for the military, but have never had any issues with a good old standard machine (does have 4 Meg RAM and a 1 Gig HD, though). What is it that gaming machines do that makes them so pricey? or need all that extra oomph?

John,

Actually, T hits the mark, concerning me at least. Guilty as charged. The price does not justify what the machine can do (as compared to "normal" machines) and I don't *really* need a graphics monster just to play games. It gives a certain satisfaction, though, to be able to run any graphics heavy game without the slightest hickup. The funniest part, though, is evaluating components before you have even built it, and then to put it together.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:17:20 PM

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Howdy, Nik and Per.

What is it that's so special about "gaming" machines? I do lots of very graphics intensive drawings for patent applications and lots of engineering drawings for the toys we build for the military, but have never had any issues with a good old standard machine (does have 4 Meg RAM and a 1 Gig HD, though). What is it that gaming machines do that makes them so pricey? or need all that extra oomph?

It depends in part on the time period your in. Back in the mid 00's......the latest 3D graphical intensive games (aka "Doom 3") on the highest settings actually were beyond even the best Pentium 4 machines of the day. (i recall my Alienware laptop P4 could just run it....but started hitching if too many enemies were on screen at the same time....Quake 4 was even worse)

Nowadays.....advances in computers have so exceeded current gaming needs that you don't need an ultra system to run programs well. A good Core2 quad will still run most games well if you have a good GPU to back it up.

Still....you want high quality to ensure smooth running for games under the highest quality settings and just as importantly, for new games that will come around in the near future. Gaming rigs include not only a high end CPU and GPU but also will support large quantities of the best RAM and prior to the i5/7 era, very fast FSB and other bus speeds.

That said.....as related when i built my Core2 machine...i was able to build a very powerful system for my needs without getting the absolute fastest most expensive CPU offered by Intel. That saved me serious buckage and even 3 years later, it was still running everything i bought at the highest settings with mirror smooth graphics.

Terminus is 100% right in regards, absolute bleeding edge systems. Its all about bragging rights. Its a losing proposition though.....today's best is tomorrow's 2nd best so for the people whom bragging rights are most important in regards their rigs....they have to continually spend major bucks to stay on top...and no "top line" system stays on top for more than a few weeks to a few months at the absolute latest.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:29:28 PM

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Man, prayers for the pacific.....that's a MASSIVE quake. Doesn't Richter only go to 9?

Agreed. And no, the Richter scale is a normal logaritmic scale so could (theoretically) go even higher. Highest magnitude earthquake that they've measured was a 9.5 in Chile 1960.

Translated into non-geek: it's an open-ended scale.

Right. And for every 1.0 the magnitude goes up, the shaking amplitude doubles.

I'm pretty sure it's actually a logarithmic scale, so every 1.0 increase on the scale is actually 10 times more powerful. Now I need to go look it up to make sure.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:32:54 PM

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Thanks guys. LoL, always thought testosterone was an important component, but the hardware guys could always confuse me enough that I was never really sure.

So I guess the gaming part is mostly for motion processing of 3D graphics renderings? That makes a lot of sense to me. Most of the processing I do is iterative math computation aiming for convergence for finite element and finite difference kinda stuff. Not hard, just twiddle-your-thumb time consuming. My graphics have gazillions of verticies, but they are still flat, and don't have to move.

Okay, think I get it.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:34:02 PM

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Man, prayers for the pacific.....that's a MASSIVE quake. Doesn't Richter only go to 9?

Agreed. And no, the Richter scale is a normal logaritmic scale so could (theoretically) go even higher. Highest magnitude earthquake that they've measured was a 9.5 in Chile 1960.

Translated into non-geek: it's an open-ended scale.

Right. And for every 1.0 the magnitude goes up, the shaking amplitude doubles.

I'm pretty sure it's actually a logarithmic scale, so every 1.0 increase on the scale is actually 10 times more powerful. Now I need to go look it up to make sure.

Don't bother to look it up Mike. You're of course right and I'm an idiot.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/11/2011 11:45:23 PM

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Too late, Per.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/12/2011 12:04:51 AM

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Simon, Dixie, or anyone else who knows....

I was skimming through my upcoming reinforcements and came upon K Squadron, a Brit fighter unit. Do you guys know what the backstory is to it not having a numeric designation? Just curious.

Thanks.

K Squadron was a provisional Hurricane unit pieced together from bits and pieces (planes and pilots in transit) for the defence of Ceylon. It became G Squadron and ended up as 258 Squadron.

Thanks T.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/12/2011 12:07:15 AM

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My dad is a math professor. I understand the concept of logarithmic. 10 times is exactly right. Sheeeeeeesh!!!

Those poor people. That is devastating. That's twice as powerful as the Indonesian quakes from a few years ago.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/12/2011 12:07:45 AM

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Too late, Per.�

To be an idiot? That's never too late

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/12/2011 12:07:59 AM

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Speaking of toys, I got a PS3 today. I think I'm getting a little overexcited with the money...

If I were you, I'd be more worried about getting overly excited about scantily clad video game witches.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/12/2011 12:11:54 AM

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My dad is a math professor. I understand the concept of logarithmic. 10 times is exactly right. Sheeeeeeesh!!!

Those poor people. That is devastating. That's twice as powerful as the Indonesian quakes from a few years ago.

If you're talking about the one that erupted in the Indian Ocean and killed 200,000 people a few years back, that was a 9.1.

Either way, bedtime... Laundry day tomorrow. Woo. Hoo.