Ldeathbow
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Selection for ASW (and all other) TF missions is based on type of ship (DD, TB, etc). For some missions there are additional criteria.
For ASW, the ship must have at least one ASW device. Ammo is not considered as the ship can be rearmed after selection.
Mr. Bowen – I hate to argue with you, but in this case, I must…
I tried to import screenshots, but don't seem to have a way to get them into a "legal" filetype, so I settled for a ZIP file of savegame 199 - where TF 82 (just made) has 3 TB's that all have 0 ASW ratings. I'm not really sure if loading a savegame on your system will cause it to take shipdata from your system, or whether it will reflect my systems ship data.
The first ship in TF82 - The Chidori, is a Tomozuru class TB (which Local explains is being given DC (apparently not an "official" patch yet though). Examining the Chidori (on my system at least), we see that it has NO ASW armament (and HAS ammo for every weapon it DOES have, none of which are ASW weapons according to Ship Weapons DB) – and indeed clearly states “Anti-Submarine None.”
Either the TB class vessel (for Japan, at least) is ill-suited to ASW roles (at least very early in the war (it is only 12/29/41)) OR the data for the ship class is seriously incorrect (perhaps one of it's weapons IS ASW but not properly listed as such...but then why would it say "None"?) For now, (at least)….either way, making an ASW TF using TB’s that have ZERO ASW capability (and can not take on ammo to “get” ASW capabilities) is, to me, a rather significant issue. Had I not noticed that these vessels had 0 ASW capability, I might well have sent them on a patrol that would have been, at best, only marginally successful (keeping Subs from surfacing – once the sub is underwater the TB becomes just another target….unable to defend itself.
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Original: Local Yokel
The v1.01.06i patch changes the Chidori/Tomozuru torpedo boats by equipping them with Type 95 DC's from the outset. This is a welcome correction that for some reason has not been applied to the larger Ootori class TB's, as I would have thought it should. I would guess that the TB's selected for your ASW TF must have been Ootoris.
I too have encountered situations in which it was possible to add to an ASW TF a ship with no a/s gear. Possibly the auto-selection routine is selecting by reference to class rather than to armament. I am guessing that auto-selection may also attempt to select first whatever the designer of the routine regarded as being the most potent type of ASW ship - hence the choice of TB's.
A bug it might be, but one that's easily circumvented by swapping ships in and out of the ASW TF according to your own preferences
Apparently the version you reference is a beta – as I have run updater and it claims I am running the latest version. (Also Note the Referenced ship above – the Chidori, is indeed a Tomozuru Class TB). So I suppose this is a known issue and will be fixed in the next “official” release/patch. (Honestly, I don’t really know how I’d install a Beta version – I always use the “updater” which only checks for official releases.)
As to it being an easy work around, yes it is…so easy I can describe it in 3 letters D I Y, but that begs the 3 letter question “WHY?” What’s the point in having an auto-select feature if it gives you useless results?
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