Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Anyway, the Pentagon's Name-That-Operation computer has struck again: Odyssey Dawn????

What does that mean?

Bigger boys stole my sig

(in reply to Terminus)

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Reg

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: sprior
I'm just glad that when I served we knew who the bad guys were. Although reading this book the Soviets were always playing catch up and Mao really wanted a nuclear war.

Darn, ain't it the truth. Know quite a few people who wax nostalgic about the "old days". One knew what the threat was and its level of capability, and who were the generals, and how they normally thought, and how this, and who that, and what tfo.

Oh, but life was so much simpler then;
We're younger than that now.

Like the man says, war is an extension of politics. So what are the politics? Whatever one may think of Brother Quadafi, he has put Libyan crude on the world market according to its stats. Libyan crude is light/sweet, probably the lightest/sweetest that is available on the world market. This is significant way beyond the bbl production figures.

So, on the one hand, there's this serious jerk pimple who gets his backdoor people to bomb airliners, but who plays according to the rules for resource flow. On the other hand, there's the rebels, who may or may not be democratic, but who might have a skoosh of Shia in their mix. Neither side is likely to exhibit any sort of political/social thought or consequence. One must think about what a successful revolution will involve.

On a purely national interest scale, I'm for the guy who keeps the light/sweet flowing. The Libyan thing is between Lucifer and Beelzebub. Your choice of evils.

Looks like the Gadaffi forces haven't got things all their own way.....

From ABC News site: Video: Fighter jet shot down over Benghazi

Most likely a shoulder launched SAM....

It was weird: that Mirage was already in a spin when it caught fire, right after the pilot ejected. I'm not sure it was actually shot down.

Bigger boys stole my sig

(in reply to Terminus)

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Anyway, the Pentagon's Name-That-Operation computer has struck again: Odyssey Dawn????

What does that mean?

"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Reg

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: sprior
I'm just glad that when I served we knew who the bad guys were. Although reading this book the Soviets were always playing catch up and Mao really wanted a nuclear war.

Darn, ain't it the truth. Know quite a few people who wax nostalgic about the "old days". One knew what the threat was and its level of capability, and who were the generals, and how they normally thought, and how this, and who that, and what tfo.

Oh, but life was so much simpler then;
We're younger than that now.

Like the man says, war is an extension of politics. So what are the politics? Whatever one may think of Brother Quadafi, he has put Libyan crude on the world market according to its stats. Libyan crude is light/sweet, probably the lightest/sweetest that is available on the world market. This is significant way beyond the bbl production figures.

So, on the one hand, there's this serious jerk pimple who gets his backdoor people to bomb airliners, but who plays according to the rules for resource flow. On the other hand, there's the rebels, who may or may not be democratic, but who might have a skoosh of Shia in their mix. Neither side is likely to exhibit any sort of political/social thought or consequence. One must think about what a successful revolution will involve.

On a purely national interest scale, I'm for the guy who keeps the light/sweet flowing. The Libyan thing is between Lucifer and Beelzebub. Your choice of evils.

Looks like the Gadaffi forces haven't got things all their own way.....

From ABC News site: Video: Fighter jet shot down over Benghazi

Most likely a shoulder launched SAM....

It was weird: that Mirage was already in a spin when it caught fire, right after the pilot ejected. I'm not sure it was actually shot down.

Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!

A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE

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ORIGINAL: USS America

Windows open with a warm breeze blowing through the house,

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Reg

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: sprior
I'm just glad that when I served we knew who the bad guys were. Although reading this book the Soviets were always playing catch up and Mao really wanted a nuclear war.

Darn, ain't it the truth. Know quite a few people who wax nostalgic about the "old days". One knew what the threat was and its level of capability, and who were the generals, and how they normally thought, and how this, and who that, and what tfo.

Oh, but life was so much simpler then;
We're younger than that now.

Like the man says, war is an extension of politics. So what are the politics? Whatever one may think of Brother Quadafi, he has put Libyan crude on the world market according to its stats. Libyan crude is light/sweet, probably the lightest/sweetest that is available on the world market. This is significant way beyond the bbl production figures.

So, on the one hand, there's this serious jerk pimple who gets his backdoor people to bomb airliners, but who plays according to the rules for resource flow. On the other hand, there's the rebels, who may or may not be democratic, but who might have a skoosh of Shia in their mix. Neither side is likely to exhibit any sort of political/social thought or consequence. One must think about what a successful revolution will involve.

On a purely national interest scale, I'm for the guy who keeps the light/sweet flowing. The Libyan thing is between Lucifer and Beelzebub. Your choice of evils.

Looks like the Gadaffi forces haven't got things all their own way.....

From ABC News site: Video: Fighter jet shot down over Benghazi

Most likely a shoulder launched SAM....

It was weird: that Mirage was already in a spin when it caught fire, right after the pilot ejected. I'm not sure it was actually shot down.

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Reg

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: sprior
I'm just glad that when I served we knew who the bad guys were. Although reading this book the Soviets were always playing catch up and Mao really wanted a nuclear war.

Darn, ain't it the truth. Know quite a few people who wax nostalgic about the "old days". One knew what the threat was and its level of capability, and who were the generals, and how they normally thought, and how this, and who that, and what tfo.

Oh, but life was so much simpler then;
We're younger than that now.

Like the man says, war is an extension of politics. So what are the politics? Whatever one may think of Brother Quadafi, he has put Libyan crude on the world market according to its stats. Libyan crude is light/sweet, probably the lightest/sweetest that is available on the world market. This is significant way beyond the bbl production figures.

So, on the one hand, there's this serious jerk pimple who gets his backdoor people to bomb airliners, but who plays according to the rules for resource flow. On the other hand, there's the rebels, who may or may not be democratic, but who might have a skoosh of Shia in their mix. Neither side is likely to exhibit any sort of political/social thought or consequence. One must think about what a successful revolution will involve.

On a purely national interest scale, I'm for the guy who keeps the light/sweet flowing. The Libyan thing is between Lucifer and Beelzebub. Your choice of evils.

Looks like the Gadaffi forces haven't got things all their own way.....

From ABC News site: Video: Fighter jet shot down over Benghazi

Most likely a shoulder launched SAM....

It was weird: that Mirage was already in a spin when it caught fire, right after the pilot ejected. I'm not sure it was actually shot down.

It was not Mirage F1... it was MiG-23... believe me...


Leo "Apollo11"

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Reg

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: sprior
I'm just glad that when I served we knew who the bad guys were. Although reading this book the Soviets were always playing catch up and Mao really wanted a nuclear war.

Darn, ain't it the truth. Know quite a few people who wax nostalgic about the "old days". One knew what the threat was and its level of capability, and who were the generals, and how they normally thought, and how this, and who that, and what tfo.

Oh, but life was so much simpler then;
We're younger than that now.

Like the man says, war is an extension of politics. So what are the politics? Whatever one may think of Brother Quadafi, he has put Libyan crude on the world market according to its stats. Libyan crude is light/sweet, probably the lightest/sweetest that is available on the world market. This is significant way beyond the bbl production figures.

So, on the one hand, there's this serious jerk pimple who gets his backdoor people to bomb airliners, but who plays according to the rules for resource flow. On the other hand, there's the rebels, who may or may not be democratic, but who might have a skoosh of Shia in their mix. Neither side is likely to exhibit any sort of political/social thought or consequence. One must think about what a successful revolution will involve.

On a purely national interest scale, I'm for the guy who keeps the light/sweet flowing. The Libyan thing is between Lucifer and Beelzebub. Your choice of evils.

Looks like the Gadaffi forces haven't got things all their own way.....

From ABC News site: Video: Fighter jet shot down over Benghazi

Most likely a shoulder launched SAM....

It was weird: that Mirage was already in a spin when it caught fire, right after the pilot ejected. I'm not sure it was actually shot down.

It was not Mirage F1... it was MiG-23... believe me...

I thought so as well at first, Leo.

Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!

A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE

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ORIGINAL: Lifer

News reported earlier that the plane was piloted by a freedom fighter that was mistakenly shot down by the rebels.  The pilot they said deliberately piloted the plane to crash where he did because it was sparsely populated.  The video doesn't have one bit of controlled flight from what I see. 

Greg

Bigger boys stole my sig

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Anyway, the Pentagon's Name-That-Operation computer has struck again: Odyssey Dawn????

What does that mean?

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Reg

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: sprior
I'm just glad that when I served we knew who the bad guys were. Although reading this book the Soviets were always playing catch up and Mao really wanted a nuclear war.

Darn, ain't it the truth. Know quite a few people who wax nostalgic about the "old days". One knew what the threat was and its level of capability, and who were the generals, and how they normally thought, and how this, and who that, and what tfo.

Oh, but life was so much simpler then;
We're younger than that now.

Like the man says, war is an extension of politics. So what are the politics? Whatever one may think of Brother Quadafi, he has put Libyan crude on the world market according to its stats. Libyan crude is light/sweet, probably the lightest/sweetest that is available on the world market. This is significant way beyond the bbl production figures.

So, on the one hand, there's this serious jerk pimple who gets his backdoor people to bomb airliners, but who plays according to the rules for resource flow. On the other hand, there's the rebels, who may or may not be democratic, but who might have a skoosh of Shia in their mix. Neither side is likely to exhibit any sort of political/social thought or consequence. One must think about what a successful revolution will involve.

On a purely national interest scale, I'm for the guy who keeps the light/sweet flowing. The Libyan thing is between Lucifer and Beelzebub. Your choice of evils.

Looks like the Gadaffi forces haven't got things all their own way.....

From ABC News site: Video: Fighter jet shot down over Benghazi

Most likely a shoulder launched SAM....

It was weird: that Mirage was already in a spin when it caught fire, right after the pilot ejected. I'm not sure it was actually shot down.

It was not Mirage F1... it was MiG-23... believe me...

I thought so as well at first, Leo.

It is MiG-23... the Mirage F1 has shorter wings (and also observe the wing's leading edge with protrusion - the MiG-23 has it because it is swept-wing aircraft)...





MiG-23




Mirage F1




Leo "Apollo11"

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

You mean "swing-wing", not "swept-wing", Leo. And the Mirage has the "hooks" in the leading edge too. It's not a MiG.

Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!

A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

No turn in the inbox tithe...

Mike

"Good times will set you free" - Jimmy Buffett

"They need more rum punch" - Me


Artwork by The Amazing Dixie

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ORIGINAL: gladiatt

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

There's not one square centimeter of Libya that's worth one drop of European or American blood. So no, Hortlund, (you stuck-up, holier-than-thou git) I don't care.

It seems our beloved over-acting president decided the contrary, willing to show his muscles and what he has in the pants; Sure he is trying to make us forget that he was a bit late to react about Tunisia .

I hate governement of all kind, of all country. It seem there exist NO political guys able to be reliable...

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Anyway, the Pentagon's Name-That-Operation computer has struck again: Odyssey Dawn????

What does that mean?

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

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ORIGINAL: gladiatt

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

There's not one square centimeter of Libya that's worth one drop of European or American blood. So no, Hortlund, (you stuck-up, holier-than-thou git) I don't care.

It seems our beloved over-acting president decided the contrary, willing to show his muscles and what he has in the pants; Sure he is trying to make us forget that he was a bit late to react about Tunisia .

I hate governement of all kind, of all country. It seem there exist NO political guys able to be reliable...

Look on the bright side Eric... at least your country has a truly gorgeous first lady! Our country hasn't had one of those since 1963.

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

Libyan cease fire called.  This time they really, really mean it.  Honestly, no crossed fingers or take-backs.

Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!

A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

Libyan cease fire called.  This time they really, really mean it.  Honestly, no crossed fingers or take-backs.

Yep...


Leo "Apollo11"


P.S.
BTW, one tidbit... earlier this evening I was watching "Sky News HD" and they were reporting from Tripoli. They saw some AAA firing randomly into the sky (tracers over night sky) and concluded that Libya still has strong Air Defense system in place... oh my... who pays those reporters / commentators....

Bigger boys stole my sig

(in reply to Apollo11)

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

People who are more ignorant than them. These are the same sort of morons who would call an M-113 APC a "tank".

Bigger boys stole my sig

(in reply to Terminus)

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

Libyan cease fire called.  This time they really, really mean it.  Honestly, no crossed fingers or take-backs.

Yep...


Leo "Apollo11"


P.S.
BTW, one tidbit... earlier this evening I was watching "Sky News HD" and they were reporting from Tripoli. They saw some AAA firing randomly into the sky (tracers over night sky) and concluded that Libya still has strong Air Defense system in place... oh my... who pays those reporters / commentators....

Civilians.

They have a different opinion of strong defences and heavy combat. I daresay that those of you out there with infantry training have a different opinion to mine of those things as well.