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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/15/2011 2:58:15 AM   
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/15/2011 3:14:36 PM   
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So how did you get the CV for the 4th Pz to 42? I like it! By the way, great maps!


Hi!
You get that CV by resting in beautiful Copenhagen!
( Its actually the value for two panzer divisions)
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/15/2011 5:13:27 PM   
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The new version of the "planning map" will look like this.
The goal is, as much as possible, to resemble the German "Operationskarte" from the war.They were maps that were used to describe the
military situation. So called "Lagekarten" when showing the own- and enemy units.In English; "Situation maps".
Mostly in the scale 1:1 Milj, but other scales ex 1: 300 000 was also used depending on purpose.

This goal means a Germanization of the geographical names. Not even in this sort of maps, however, it was consequently done.
The degree varies with time, political intentions and of course also with type of map.
I have been able to work with original paper maps which simplifies a bit.
A Russian version would be interesting and I just have seen in another post that this is discussed.
Maps are important in these types of games. The War in the East map represents, in my opinion, a new level of realistic looking map that makes it possible
and worthwhile to work with it.
Red dots mean ingame (in the game engine) named hexes. No red dot is moved to another hex. They are just changed to the German naming. ( In a very few cases changed to another town/village name better representing the hex). The black dots are added towns/villages/important railway stations.Sometimes are those adding historical interest Gameplay is of course not changed.
Coastal lines have sometimes been altered towards those in my maps.

Inform me of errors,please. Will upload the playable tga files in a couple of days.

Regards,
Goran




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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/16/2011 5:05:55 PM   
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/18/2011 9:38:38 AM   
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Hi!

The new version of the "planning map" (Operationskarte).
Red dots are original in the game names hexes ( just Germanized or in a few cases
changed to another name better representing the hex).
Black dots are more names added from the German Operationskarten.
Some altered coastlines. No change in gameplay.

Can be downloaded from

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1DLOAED3
or from my homesite
http://www.mannaberg.se

the frontline map from
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WQ4U0SH5
or from my homesite
http://www.mannaberg.se

Regards,
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/18/2011 9:53:56 AM   
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Thanks Goran!


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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/18/2011 1:20:40 PM   
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Have done an OOB- compilation to the Frontline-date map.(not the Planning map)
No guarantee of exactness. Probably some errors. But;
When playing and turning over to the zoom2 frontline map to compare to history
you could get some overview information about (at different times)
which forces that stood against each other from north to south.
Regards,
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/19/2011 6:24:33 AM   
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YOU are amazing! This is GREAT STUFF! Thanks.

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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/29/2011 11:01:22 PM   
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Couldnt resist from taking these screen shots from an AI-AI test. Its just turn 2.
I find them attractive with the colours. German styled units on the " Operationskarte".
Zoom1 level. Even in stacks you can see formation colour.
Regards,
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 3/30/2011 7:36:04 AM   
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 4/2/2011 5:29:50 AM   
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Is it possible to get a copy of the excel spreadsheet of the OOB instead of the .jpg?



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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 4/2/2011 11:45:39 AM   
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Goranw,

Is it possible to get a copy of the excel spreadsheet of the OOB instead of the .jpg?




Hi!
You can download it from my site www.mannaberg.se
Its uploaded there now.
Open office sheet. xls-like . (3 sheets)
GoranW

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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 4/4/2011 8:12:01 AM   
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 4/29/2011 11:09:18 PM   
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New version of the "planning map-Operationskarte"
Reworked some areas. Villages/towns are a bit differentiated
regarding man power. Factories also a bit differentiated.
More names especially in areas of historic interest.
No change in game play. Added not ingame villages/towns have a black dot.
Tga -files will tomorrow be uploaded to my home-site. www.mannaberg.se
See also jpg -file.
GoranW



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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 4/30/2011 12:25:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perfect! Your map has been extremely useful for scenario design. You must have these name and places readily available when you are reading a battle account. Your map answers the mail. Thanks Goran for all the time and effort you have put into this mod--much fruit will come of it as others try there hand at small scenarios. Nice!

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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 4/30/2011 8:54:56 AM   
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Its now possible to download the playable tga-files from my home-site.
Personally when playing/testing I use this ( zoom 2) and
the frontline-date map in zoom 4 ( also to download). Then a situation/names could be
compared to historical situation by just changing zoom level.
The way of differentiating the dots could of course also be discussed.
Since this map is German orientated ( from different German Lagekarten- Situation maps)
it would be good to have also a Russian version as discussed elsewhere.
Please inform me about errors.
GoranW

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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 5/29/2011 10:35:18 PM   
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I have adjusted the 40 and 41 tga-files in my "Operationskarte"
Its the Tscherkassy-Korsun area and I use it when studying
bcgames very interesting scenario regarding that area.
First with units and then without. (to make the historical names readable.)
Then its easy to follow any good literature about these happenings and
compare game to history.Downloadable from www.mannaberg.se
( As also the whole "Operationskarte" and the frontline-date map.)
Goran






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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 6/29/2011 4:30:59 PM   
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/6/2011 1:05:51 AM   
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Very nice map, I'm not computer smart at all if someone could PLEASE tell me step by step to down load this and make it work on my computer I would be Thankful. Regards Joe you can send me a PM if you want.............


Hi!
Its now possible to download it from my home-site
www.mannaberg.se
(perhaps more easy)

Download to your desktop.
Then unzip it to the same place.
Go to the folder where you have the game. Click.
Go to the folder Dat. Click.
Go to the folder Art. Click.
Rename the origin file zoom2_nogrid, ex by adding reserve-
Keep it.
Finally move the newly uploaded file from your desktop into the Art folder.
Start the game. ( Choose the nonhex version.)
If its not functioning feel free to email me at goranwickstrom@hotmail.com
Goran


Thanks so much but which file is it? There is about 20 of them listed?


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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/6/2011 8:10:10 AM   
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I see that I have been unclear/ wrongly about files and folders.
I try to be more clear.
Download from my home-site www.mannaberg.se the folder Zoom2_nogrid.zip
Rename the original game folder zoom2_nogrid ( in the game its situated in the Art-folder) ,
ex by adding reserve-after the name.
Keep it so you have it and can take back the change.
Unzip the folder you have down loaded from my site into the Art-folder.
Name it Zoom2_nogrid.
Start the game and choose the non-hex version.
( Same procedure but with other names regarding the frontline-date map)
Goran


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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/6/2011 12:44:53 PM   
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Just a couple quick questions.....

This map is for planning purposes only? Can one use it for the game map? If so will existing saved games be compatible. If playing a PBEM and assuming it is compatible as a game map would both parties have to have the same map?
Thanks sry for all the newbie questions.

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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/6/2011 1:51:03 PM   
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/6/2011 3:46:21 PM   
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/6/2011 4:50:55 PM   
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Yes, please tell us which map it is.


The map is in a jpg version in post-74 earlier in this discussion file.
A playable Tga-file version (Zoom2) can be downloaded from my site
www.mannaberg.se. Same thing with the also playable frontline-date map.
The "planning map" or "Operationskarte" adds more geographical or historical
names from several Deutsche Lagekarten from the war. Also a bit more detailed coastlines
at some places. Nothing is changed regarding game play.Added names are coloured otherwise
so its easy to see which names that are not in the game engine.
The frontline map has consecutive fronts and dates so you can in zoom 4 compare to history
Goran

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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/6/2011 7:31:36 PM   
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Just one question: Where or how can i get the german styled units for the "Operationskarte" ?

Thank you,
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/7/2011 8:15:58 AM   
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In the south can be found the word "ferry" on several places along major rivers. Do they have any purpose, that slipped my mind, or is that just eyecandy? If it's the latter, the German word for ferry would be Fähre.


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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/7/2011 9:13:34 AM   
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Hi Goran,

Just one question: Where or how can i get the german styled units for the "Operationskarte" ?

Thank you,
mercho



Hi!
When testing AI-play I wanted to get maximum clarity. (In my opinion.)
I changed the units in the max zoom level ( units 44*44) to show bigger area of formation colour and just big identification text.
Air units have a plane picture. SS elite units black/red and Guards-elite red/black
Routed units have another sign and units that are unmoved/ partly moved / or finished
moving have to the upper right a green- / yellow- / resp no sign.
So, no real mod ( just units at max zoom level) but I upload it so you can try if wanted. Keep the original file.
Regards,
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/7/2011 9:15:30 AM   
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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/7/2011 9:27:18 AM   
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And one more question (loving your work btw):

In the south can be found the word "ferry" on several places along major rivers. Do they have any purpose, that slipped my mind, or is that just eyecandy? If it's the latter, the German word for ferry would be Fähre.




Hi!
Just eye-candy for the sake of information.
What is still worse is that in some cases its important information
with ww2 reality, ex rail ferry at Cherson and Astrachan
and in other cases more unimportant auto ferrys.
I probably will rename those latter apart from changing all to German language.
Regards,
Goran

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RE: Planning map(on a zoom 2 map) - 7/8/2011 2:03:23 PM   
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There was a question on my email about the other map, the frontline-date map. I thought it was in a jpg-version uploaded somewhere but I cant find it.
So here it is.
Can be downloaded in playable tga-version. You can whenever you want change to zoom level -4 and compare your game situation to the historical one.
Frontline dates are consecutive. Small blue numbers are date of German occupation and red are Soviet retake. Covers 41 to spring-43.
Regards,
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