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Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needed - 3/28/2011 12:08:39 AM

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The Platinum edition is on sale for $9.99 as part of a weekend deal on Steam. This means if I am to buy it I have but a few hours.
I like D&D and Baldurs Gate 2 is one of my favorite games ever. Is NN 2 a worthy purchase for the money and the hours spent?

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 3/28/2011 12:15:12 AM

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Definitely buy it. I and a friend have been playing it and the extra modules for nearly a year now. I like the interface, and NWN2 has more of a multi-person party feel to it.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 3/28/2011 1:34:19 PM

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Buy it, I never had time to finish (or to be honest to play longer than couple of hours) the game but if you like action and RPG it is must buy.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 3/28/2011 2:31:32 PM

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for 10 bucks? it's a steal

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 3/28/2011 6:56:22 PM

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From what I've read, Mask of the Betrayer one of the best story-based cRPGs ever made and it's included in the platinum edition.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 3/28/2011 7:36:53 PM

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I got it and will be starting tonight. Plus I am being moved to 30 hours weeks until the end of the summer. I had previously been working 48 hour weeks. I foresee polishing off a lot of games I had started recently.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 8:01:54 AM

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Good call guys, I am utterly hooked. I created a half orc fighter and he is dominate so far. Plus he looks bad ass. The beginning of the game is more combat heavy than I had anticipated. I am only a little ways in but it has me wanting to keep playing after I shut the game down.
In regular D&D games fighters tend to weaken as their levels increase while mages get stronger. I wonder if this game is the same? That was certainly the case in the Baldurs Gate series. Once you got your high level spells like power word death and time stop and meteor you became almost god like. You could fight up to 30 enemies and your spell protections and mob control spells made the battles easy.

At first with this game I was disappointed that some of the hardcore D&D stuff had been left out. Death is not permanent in that you can only be 'knocked out' and you can rest your health back in a few seconds instead of hours like in Baldurs Gate at the risk of being attacked. Also Baldurs Gate was just damned hard at some points. Fighting Lich's and Dragons and high level mages were almost impossible at some points. And when I played I literaly played in fear. If you were new to the game and stumbled into certain encounters your party would be killed in under a minute. But in this game I feel more confident.
I still hold Baldurs Gate 2 among the greatest games of all time. However, the things I mentioned earlier in some ways make this a better game. Being revived back if you 'die' after a battle and being able to rest in 5 seconds makes the entire game flow better. I wasted so much time in Baldurs Gate going to temples to revive fallen party members. And don't even get me started on level drain attacks

I yelled so many curse words at my PC while fighting Vampires which unfortunately was a big chunk of the middle part of the game.

I love this game and love it even more that I got it for 10 dollars. I can't wait to keep playing through it!
And then I have two expansions and more downloaded modules if I wish to pursue them.

If you like RPG's or D&D I very highly recommend it.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 4:13:28 PM

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Good call guys, I am utterly hooked. I created a half orc fighter and he is dominate so far. Plus he looks bad ass. The beginning of the game is more combat heavy than I had anticipated. I am only a little ways in but it has me wanting to keep playing after I shut the game down.
In regular D&D games fighters tend to weaken as their levels increase while mages get stronger. I wonder if this game is the same? That was certainly the case in the Baldurs Gate series. Once you got your high level spells like power word death and time stop and meteor you became almost god like. You could fight up to 30 enemies and your spell protections and mob control spells made the battles easy.

At first with this game I was disappointed that some of the hardcore D&D stuff had been left out. Death is not permanent in that you can only be 'knocked out' and you can rest your health back in a few seconds instead of hours like in Baldurs Gate at the risk of being attacked. Also Baldurs Gate was just damned hard at some points. Fighting Lich's and Dragons and high level mages were almost impossible at some points. And when I played I literaly played in fear. If you were new to the game and stumbled into certain encounters your party would be killed in under a minute. But in this game I feel more confident.
I still hold Baldurs Gate 2 among the greatest games of all time. However, the things I mentioned earlier in some ways make this a better game. Being revived back if you 'die' after a battle and being able to rest in 5 seconds makes the entire game flow better. I wasted so much time in Baldurs Gate going to temples to revive fallen party members. And don't even get me started on level drain attacks
I yelled so many curse words at my PC while fighting Vampires which unfortunately was a big chunk of the middle part of the game.

One thing that I dislike about NWN was removing sleep and stuff like this. I prefer when cRPGs are more immersive and instant rest is a good way to break immersion.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 6:31:09 PM

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Does this run on Vista ok?Or will there be no end of tweaking etc?

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 7:30:26 PM

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I yelled so many curse words at my PC while fighting Vampires which unfortunately was a big chunk of the middle part of the game.

I restarted and played as an Undead Hunter just to avoid the dreaded Level Drain on my first playthrough. :)

I agree that BG2 is one of the greatest games of all times. Struck just the right balance between Baldur's Gate & NWN. NWN was too "dumbed down" to be truly great - although it was decent entertainment. I've barely had a chance to play NWN2 but it's a step back in the right direction IMO.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 7:37:36 PM

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I just used the restoration scroll.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 8:04:50 PM

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Only thing about NWN I enjoyed, was the second expansion, "Hordes of the Underdark." I couldn't stomach NWN2 at all.

If you look for a crpg in the ballpark of BG, pick the Icewind Dale series from GoG.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 8:25:11 PM

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Does this run on Vista ok?Or will there be no end of tweaking etc?

I am playing it on Windows 7 64 bit with no problems

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 8:31:20 PM

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I yelled so many curse words at my PC while fighting Vampires which unfortunately was a big chunk of the middle part of the game.

I restarted and played as an Undead Hunter just to avoid the dreaded Level Drain on my first playthrough. :)

I agree that BG2 is one of the greatest games of all times. Struck just the right balance between Baldur's Gate & NWN. NWN was too "dumbed down" to be truly great - although it was decent entertainment. I've barely had a chance to play NWN2 but it's a step back in the right direction IMO.

I would not call it dumbed down at all. D&D 3.5 rules are to me more complex that rule set 2.

The no dying and quick resting options as I said earlier streamline the game for me.

Things like Level drain were just a plain annoyance. Sure they are 'realistic' in the D&D sense. But in a video game sense it was damn annoying. There were some parts of the game where you literally had to clear out room by room the undead and after each room you had to go back to the surface to a temple. Super annoying and killed the pace of the game.

I like the easier playing of NWN. It is a change of pace.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 8:34:03 PM

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Only thing about NWN I enjoyed, was the second expansion, "Hordes of the Underdark." I couldn't stomach NWN2 at all.

If you look for a crpg in the ballpark of BG, pick the Icewind Dale series from GoG.

I played both of the Icewind Dale titles and loved them. Planescape Torment is also an excellent game and has the best story of any RPG I have ever played.
The game looks horrible on modern systems (it has a fixed resolution of 600x480 yesh

) is still a classic. It has been a while since I played through it. I need to start it up again and give it a go.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 8:49:15 PM

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The no dying and quick resting options as I said earlier streamline the game for me.

"Streamlining" is dumbing down.

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Things like Level drain were just a plain annoyance. Sure they are 'realistic' in the D&D sense. But in a video game sense it was damn annoying. There were some parts of the game where you literally had to clear out room by room the undead and after each room you had to go back to the surface to a temple. Super annoying and killed the pace of the game.

Weird thing. I don't recall stuff like this ever happening to me when playing Baldur's Gate 2. Probably because I had a cleric in my party and had scrolls of restoration. I guess you really need your cRPGs "streamlined".

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Only thing about NWN I enjoyed, was the second expansion, "Hordes of the Underdark." I couldn't stomach NWN2 at all.

If you look for a crpg in the ballpark of BG, pick the Icewind Dale series from GoG.

I played both of the Icewind Dale titles and loved them. Planescape Torment is also an excellent game and has the best story of any RPG I have ever played.
The game looks horrible on modern systems (it has a fixed resolution of 600x480 yesh ) is still a classic. It has been a while since I played through it. I need to start it up again and give it a go.

http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 8:53:04 PM

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I have played NWN and NWN2 and all the expansions and they are great. Just finished Dragon Age: Origins and the Awakenings expansion and I rate them even higher than NWN2, Less character classes and races to play with, but gameplay and storyline are terrific.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 9:02:11 PM

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I yelled so many curse words at my PC while fighting Vampires which unfortunately was a big chunk of the middle part of the game.

I restarted and played as an Undead Hunter just to avoid the dreaded Level Drain on my first playthrough. :)

I agree that BG2 is one of the greatest games of all times. Struck just the right balance between Baldur's Gate & NWN. NWN was too "dumbed down" to be truly great - although it was decent entertainment. I've barely had a chance to play NWN2 but it's a step back in the right direction IMO.

I would not call it dumbed down at all. D&D 3.5 rules are to me more complex that rule set 2.

The no dying and quick resting options as I said earlier streamline the game for me.

Things like Level drain were just a plain annoyance. Sure they are 'realistic' in the D&D sense. But in a video game sense it was damn annoying. There were some parts of the game where you literally had to clear out room by room the undead and after each room you had to go back to the surface to a temple. Super annoying and killed the pace of the game.

I like the easier playing of NWN. It is a change of pace.

I put it in quotes as shorthand. One man's "easier playing" is another's "dumbed down". For me, NWN was a large step backwards from BG2. Cookie cutter quests, crappy henchman, simpler combat - all made for a major disappointment after BG2. I agree with the above that HotU was a significant improvement from the original NWN.

NWN: Entertaining but not great. BG2: All Time Top Ten.

Also, just to clarify, NWN was 3.0 not 3.5.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 9:18:05 PM

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I just used the restoration scroll.

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

Restoration isn't nearly as sweet (or as cheezy) as total immunity - but there are many ways to deal with Level Drain.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/10/2011 10:08:26 PM

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I just used the restoration scroll.

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

Restoration isn't nearly as sweet (or as cheezy) as total immunity - but there are many ways to deal with Level Drain.

At least BG2 rewarded thinking and being prepared. So, despite the linearity, making the PCs actions in the previous part of the story irrelevant, lack of low/high intelligence/wisdom dialogue, lack of non-weapon proficiencies, fake dialogue choices, boring combat mechanics (besides magic), bad pathfinding etc. it actually had some good features.
At the point where I played it, I couldn't exactly imagine that stuff can get even worse.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/11/2011 2:28:28 AM

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I like both :)
I guess I am lucky in that I get two great games to play.

I also love the crafting. That adds a whole new layer of complexity that Baldurs Gate did not have.

Baldurs Gate also had numerous opportunities where you could just 'cheap' your way through. In fact in some battles you had no other choice. In any of your battles with Lich's or dragons you had to attack them before turned 'red' and hope for a few quick hits. Or if you had a good thief with you, you could lay traps where you knew they would be and hope for an insta kill.
Also popular was firing spells into the 'fog of war' and killing what you could before you moved forward.

There were also lots of potion/spell/items combinations you could cast on one character and then move that single character forward to fight against a high level creature one vs one. The spell or potion would provide immunity.
Protection from magical energy was a popular one.

The game was well crafted but a crafty player could cheap their way through a large portion of the game.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/11/2011 9:45:24 AM

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Potion/spell/item combinations were completely legitimate.

When it comes to engine, I definitely prefer ToEE. It has the most faithful recreation of 3rd edition D&D on computer ever made - it also has cost of casting spells with expensive material components and crafting. All without trying to port a system designed for turn based combat in pseudo-real time. No watching fighters attack on auto-pilot or waiting for character to start casting/drink a potion, etc. just click a mouse button and something awesome happens. Also it has multiple endings (including joining the bad guys), stat-based dialogues, is non-linear, etc.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/11/2011 12:14:03 PM

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OK. So I had to look up TOEE as I had no idea what that was. Then I saw it was $5.99 on GOG. So downloading now.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/11/2011 1:00:35 PM

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The Temple of Elemental Evil sure wasn't the hit they were hoping for. I tried it but didn't fell for it too, dunno why anymore really.
NWN didn't capture me either, agree completely with MJK here, it felt a bit (no offense here, just a personal opinion) like a dumbed down version of the Baldur's Gate legacy.
BG and all the addons, expansions and what not really were my genre, played them all, loved them.
Ofcourse no one could defeat the BG legacy, except the enemy from within, their own company killed the game for sure with Dragon Age .... uhm, what is it called now? It's a completely dumbed down action game for kiddies, press a few buttons and something awesome happens. That corporate $#nt saying that was sooo proud of it... "something awesome happens.." Well something awesome did happen, it killed the game for me.

So, on to greener meadows, bought a few Indie RPG games, great games, a bit back on the graphic side, but fun nonetheless. What really really is a treasure find is; Drakensang; River of Time.
If you ever want a true successor of the BG game, *that's* your game. Stunning graphics, it's like you're walking in a fairytale. The gameworld is very much alive, you can take a look inside some houses and see a man drinking beer, a couple kissing, two women busy talking. You see a woman chasing her (don't know why yet) husband, you see drunkards, pompous rich men, beggars. The river is alive as well, boats floating by, people are fishing, and so on and so on.
It has no 16AAF and all the latest flashy graphics ala Crysis2, but that plays no role at all. It's the game that rocks, it's made in Germany and let me tell you these guys do know how to tell a story, absolutely compelling.

It's ashame that sales numbers were less than they expected, except in Germany itself where it is hugely popular. It's available in German and in English. Must say, I have been thinking of buying the German version

A)because the voices are spot on for the characters, very well done. and B) it's a welcome change to hear a dwarf speak German instead of English. ( I mean when you think of it, the entire universe, all the Aliens and the fantasy world all speak English... how did *that* happen?..

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Yes well anyway, long story short, you want a good cRPG? Drakensang: http://www.drakensang.com/

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/11/2011 2:19:58 PM

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OK. So I had to look up TOEE as I had no idea what that was. Then I saw it was $5.99 on GOG. So downloading now.

If I hate it, I'll bill you.javascript:void(AddText(''))

Remember to get the Circle of Eight patch. From what I've heard, the vanilla game was pretty bugged.

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The Temple of Elemental Evil sure wasn't the hit they were hoping for. I tried it but didn't fell for it too, dunno why anymore really.

The beginning can be pretty boring - there isn't much action but on - the dialogues with NPCs are well written and make them seem alive, but then they cut out children which makes people talking about their kids look out of place and the game misses the sort of feeling of a living world that Ultima V-VII had.
Personally, I usually skip making my own party and recruit cNPCs in the Homlet. This way I can jump to action without grinding XP.

As for it not being a hit. It had pretty bad promotion. I don't remember any ads promoting it as the most faithful recreation of D&D ever and that it was done by creators of Arcanum and Fallout.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/11/2011 10:48:45 PM

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I will keep that in mind for a future purchase. Six dollars makes it worth trying even if it is terrible.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/12/2011 1:43:30 AM

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If you want somthing like ultima7 check out divine divinity.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/12/2011 8:54:17 AM

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If you want somthing like ultima7 check out divine divinity.

I bought it several years ago. Ended playing it in a long Diablo-style dungeon with skeletons just after the start.

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RE: Neverwinter Nights 2 - quick opinions needer - 4/12/2011 10:58:44 AM

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If you want somthing like ultima7 check out divine divinity.

I bought it several years ago. Ended playing it in a long Diablo-style dungeon with skeletons just after the start.

You never finished the tutorial dungeon? Once you finish it you get out of the village and have entire world to freely roam on. Many people make the mistake of thinking DD is just a diablo-clone because they never finish the first dungeon. I hope you havent sold your copy yet so you can try it again. Othervice you can get DD from GOG pretty cheap.

Its true that the combat is diablo-style and diablo is close to ultima8. I think ultima7 with ultima8-combat might be better comparison for Divine Divinity.

Personally I like DD combat better than the messy combat that is in ultima7. I never really liked it back then either.

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