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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/12/2011 5:16:03 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/12/2011 10:45:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would suggest something around 25; as rate of fire factors into the accuracy value too, and a good comparison is the Alaska's 12in/50 at 27 accuracy. Assuming the Dutch FC gear is not quite as good as late war US stuff, but that the gun does have a better ROF than the 12in/50, it would be reasonable to speculate an accuracy of ~25.

Under 20 is definately much too low.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/12/2011 2:14:39 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/12/2011 3:58:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, you guys don't like math, so here it is in pictures. There's the curve, and various JP, US, UK guns plotted on the curve (and yes, Dutch, French, and Russians, fit too..). The proposed gun is the vertical line in the middle. Line has length of spread which isn't really very good (much too long). Data crunching says 26 or 'maybe' 25 or 27 (btw, in DBB, Alaska is 28).

FC is not included in Acc. It is taken care of elsewhere in another sub-routine module. So trying to include it in Acc will cause "double counting" and screw things up. Acc is a "baseline" data value.




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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/12/2011 4:02:10 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 12:44:52 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 4:36:11 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 4:38:14 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 4:58:10 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 9:30:45 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 3:45:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Gary, how's about a modernized HMAS Australia and ditto HMS Tiger and HMS Lion(the battlecruisers, if my meaning is in doubt)?

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 5:18:59 PM   
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Hey Gary, how's about a modernized HMAS Australia and ditto HMS Tiger and HMS Lion(the battlecruisers, if my meaning is in doubt)?



Do you have some art for a modernized Lion & Australia which you would like to see done. IIRC Wolf's Shipyard website has them I think.

HMS Tiger is already done, check post #40 in this thread (no less than 5 modernized versions to pick from).



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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 8:19:33 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 8:26:17 PM   
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Okay, here are three British ships I'd like to see:






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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 8:26:51 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 8:27:13 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/15/2011 9:15:08 PM   
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Edit: uuhm, or at the iron mod sceb of vanilla....

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/16/2011 5:42:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Awesome work on those...cant wait to see more of your work...what is the wolfs shipyard site?

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/16/2011 5:52:29 PM   
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Awesome work on those...cant wait to see more of your work...what is the wolfs shipyard site?


Thank you ssquibb79.

Wolf's Shipyard is just a site with various drawings for never built ships. Most of them are based upon proposals that never went through or made it beyond the drawing board. Looks like the owner of the website removed most of the warship content. However, you can find most of his old stuff here.

Might be a good time to DL and store this stuff as I wonder how much longer it will be available.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 1:10:52 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 1:31:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now, does anyone want to work up the specs on the USS Wyoming, 1945...
12 - 20" Guns....

And how many armored divisions would not be built in its place!!!

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 2:10:15 AM   
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Now, does anyone want to work up the specs on the USS Wyoming, 1945...
12 - 20" Guns....

And how many armored divisions would not be built in its place!!!


I'm sure there is a highly complex mathematical calculation for that somewhere. Give me about 8 years to finish a Ph.D in mathematics and I'll have an answer for it! Or we could fudge a few numbers here and there. But that would be blasphemy.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 3:30:36 AM   
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Yes. I did take into consideration that the turret on the port side is forward of the starboard one.





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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 3:32:44 AM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 9:52:12 AM   
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Anyway... Here's BC New Zealand/Australia

Yes. I did take into consideration that the turret on the port side is forward of the starboard one.






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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 11:23:35 AM   
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Now, does anyone want to work up the specs on the USS Wyoming, 1945...
12 - 20" Guns....

And how many armored divisions would not be built in its place!!!


Heres a rough design I threw togeather on SS (note the crazy beam to deal with the recoil from firing 20" superheavies). I didnt bother to work out the exact dimensions from the picture, so this is only a draft.

USS Wyoming

Displacement: 98,500 t standard; 109,300t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1,067.02 ft / 1,050.00 ft) x 140.00 ft x (40.00 / 41.54 ft)

Armament:
12 - 20.00" / 508 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5,250.00lbs shells
4 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring

28 - 5.00" / 127 mm 54.0 cal guns - 69.49lbs shells
14 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts

Weight of broadside 64,946 lbs / 29,459 kg

Armour:
- Main Belt: 17.0" / 432 mm

- Gun armour: Face (max)
Main: 24.0" / 610 mm
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 9.00" / 229 mm

- Conning tower: 20.00" / 508 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 190,500 shp = 28.00 kts
Range 13,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 10,830 tons

This thing over twice the broadside throw weight of the Yamato class. Felt it needed a few more 5in twins too, cause sticking to 10 seems sad for a ship with twice Iowa's displacement.

As for the second question, Ill leave that to someone else, since I have no idea how much steel an armoured division requires.

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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 12:00:08 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 12:02:21 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 1:58:06 PM   
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RE: Gary's Never Was Workshop and Doodle Pad - 4/17/2011 1:59:50 PM   
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Now, does anyone want to work up the specs on the USS Wyoming, 1945...
12 - 20" Guns....

And how many armored divisions would not be built in its place!!!


Heres a rough design I threw togeather on SS (note the crazy beam to deal with the recoil from firing 20" superheavies). I didnt bother to work out the exact dimensions from the picture, so this is only a draft.

USS Wyoming

Displacement: 98,500 t standard; 109,300t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1,067.02 ft / 1,050.00 ft) x 140.00 ft x (40.00 / 41.54 ft)

Armament:
12 - 20.00" / 508 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5,250.00lbs shells
4 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring

28 - 5.00" / 127 mm 54.0 cal guns - 69.49lbs shells
14 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts

Weight of broadside 64,946 lbs / 29,459 kg

Armour:
- Main Belt: 17.0" / 432 mm

- Gun armour: Face (max)
Main: 24.0" / 610 mm
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 9.00" / 229 mm

- Conning tower: 20.00" / 508 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 190,500 shp = 28.00 kts
Range 13,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 10,830 tons

This thing over twice the broadside throw weight of the Yamato class. Felt it needed a few more 5in twins too, cause sticking to 10 seems sad for a ship with twice Iowa's displacement.

As for the second question, Ill leave that to someone else, since I have no idea how much steel an armoured division requires.


How precisely are you going to drive a 100,000t ship at 28 knots with 191,000 shp when the Iowa took 212,000 shp to make 33 knots?

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