Slitherine

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at least the 4000 historical kills the first turn

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"...to hit 66 Soviet airfields in the forward areas. The Red Air Force lost over 1,200 aircraft in the first morning of the war. Throught the next few days, the Luftwaffe had undisputed air supremacy, and all Soviet Troop and rail movements received relentless attention"

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"On 22.6.41 at our airfields and in the air, the enemy destroyed 538 of our aircraft at a cost of 143 aircraft lost by the enemy. On the following day, the losses of the two sides were 125 and 124, respectively, and by the end of June, that is after eight days of war, our losses totaled 1,163 aircraft and enemy losses were 422."

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"As a result, from 22 through 24 June, the Germans destroyed 237 Soviet aircraft on the overly vulnerable airfields. Faulty equipment and poor training led to the loss of another 242 aircraft due to accidents during the period from 22 June through 10 August which constituted 13 percent of the total aircraft losses (1861 planes) during this period"

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ORIGINAL: sath

I would almost bet that the Russian's are underplaying there losses. They actually seem light.

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ORIGINAL: randallw

As said before, the chance of interdiction partially depends on detection level; ground units being railed to the front may not even be detected by the enemy, if they begin way in the rear, and may not be detected until they are adjacent to the enemy ( after detraining and moving of course ).

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ORIGINAL: Mynok


Played through the first turn of GC41 a couple times last night.

Has something changed about port bombing? I cannot seem to get Kuressare down? 19% and still blocking sea transport to Riga?

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ORIGINAL: JAMiAM

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ORIGINAL: Mynok


Played through the first turn of GC41 a couple times last night.

Has something changed about port bombing? I cannot seem to get Kuressare down? 19% and still blocking sea transport to Riga?

Are you clicking directly on Riga to make the move? I was able to move into Riga with Kuressare having only 1% damage in my game. Have you taken both Ventspils and Liepaja?

There was a change in 1.04 regarding the FOW at sea, so are you sure that you're not just misinterpreting the tile coloration?

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ORIGINAL: runyan99

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ORIGINAL: randallw

As said before, the chance of interdiction partially depends on detection level; ground units being railed to the front may not even be detected by the enemy, if they begin way in the rear, and may not be detected until they are adjacent to the enemy ( after detraining and moving of course ).

Of course, in real life the above is exactly what does NOT happen when moving by rail against an enemy with air superiority. The trains get spotted by Jabos and shot up in route.

It needs addressed.

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

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at least the 4000 historical kills the first turn

This is not historical, but still possible.

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

There are a lot of different numbers available with different level of precision.

For example most suffered Western MD/Front losses from airfield airstrikes:
22 June - 528,
23 - 63
24-30 - 97
(ÖÀÌÎ ÐÔ, ô.208, îï. 2589, ä.91, ë.102).

~600 planes in first 3 days. If all other fronts would suffer the same amount of losses from airfield attacks you still won't have 4K.

Of cause total losses were still horrific, but most of them were due to the airfield attacks only on June 22.

I found such numbers from various sources of total air Soviet aircraft losses in June 1941:

NW - 921 4 days
WF - 538+623=1100 22-30 9 days
SW - 918 22-30 9 days
S - 354 22-30 9 days

~3300 for all active fronts in 4-9 days.

Again, most of the losses happened on June 22 ~1160 machines out of which 800 were destroyed on the airfields.

Now it is possible to make 6K on turn 1 (4 days) just with bombing airfields.

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In eighteen days of combat, Bock’s Army Group Center advanced 600 kilometers to the approaches to the western Dvina and Dnepr Rivers, occupied all Belorussia, and inflicted 417,790 casulties on the Western Front, including 341,073 soldiers killed, captured, or missing. In addition, the Western Front lost 4,799 tanks, many of which simply ran of of fuel, 9,427 guns and mortars, and 1,777 combat aircraft, most of these destroyed at their airfields on the ground. In essence, at least along the Western Strategic axis, Army Group Centers’s powerful juggernaut fulfilled the mission assigned to it by the Barbarossa Plan by utterly shattering and destroying much of the Red Army’s first strategic echelon west of the Divina and Dnepr Rivers. In accordance with Plan Barbarossa’s preeminent assumption, Hitler and most of the German High Command considered the war was won.

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41: Zolotarev, VOV 147. During this period, 24 Divisions of Pavlov’s initial force of 44 Divisions perished entirely, and the other 20 lost from 30 to 90 percent of their personnel.