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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/25/2011 7:16:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: hunchback77

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

I may compromise (as usual) by just showing the 'green dots' of the hexes within the supply range.
You wont know if the path ended due to running out of supply points or presence of enemy unit.

I like the numbers instead of the green dots Michael, it helps in understanding the flow of supply. Please keep it as is for AI games and add the option to turn it off in PBEM games. Thank you.

+1

My position exactly.

Although I don't like to bean count my way through the Fog of War, I can resist the temptation to inspect the numbers too closely. But, yeah, they are of immense help in understanding supply. It would be a shame to lose them.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/25/2011 10:43:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: berto

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ORIGINAL: hunchback77

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm

I may compromise (as usual) by just showing the 'green dots' of the hexes within the supply range.
You wont know if the path ended due to running out of supply points or presence of enemy unit.

I like the numbers instead of the green dots Michael, it helps in understanding the flow of supply. Please keep it as is for AI games and add the option to turn it off in PBEM games. Thank you.

+1

My position exactly.

Although I don't like to bean count my way through the Fog of War, I can resist the temptation to inspect the numbers too closely. But, yeah, they are of immense help in understanding supply. It would be a shame to lose them.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 3:18:19 AM

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That is kind of why I am asking. I go in at 12000 just to be safe.

There has been changes with the attack bombers and torpedo bombers.

Recently I tried using fighters at 12000 and they seemed to Level Bomb.

Was hoping to get the facts.

KHawk

I've noticed the same since changing to 1108k9 from 1108k7. Also, dive bombers were level bombing from 16000ft when I was playing with 1108k9 last night, so something has changed that's not in the notes.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 3:25:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: sspahr

quote:

ORIGINAL: KHawk

That is kind of why I am asking. I go in at 12000 just to be safe.

There has been changes with the attack bombers and torpedo bombers.

Recently I tried using fighters at 12000 and they seemed to Level Bomb.

Was hoping to get the facts.

KHawk

I've noticed the same since changing to 1108k9 from 1108k7. Also, dive bombers were level bombing from 16000ft when I was playing with 1108k9 last night, so something has changed that's not in the notes.

Hasn't been any changes for air attacks between k7 and k9.
When I have a chance, I'll update the advised table.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 4:27:09 AM

sspahr

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ORIGINAL: michaelm
Hasn't been any changes for air attacks between k7 and k9.
When I have a chance, I'll update the advised table.

Here are the combat reports pertaining to the dive bombers appearing to level bomb when set to 16000ft that I referred to. I suppose they could be glide bombing with the attack altitudes not being updated for the report.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 54,45

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 7
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16
Vengeance I x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Teiren Maru
xAK Tonan Maru
xAK Nansin Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Vengeance I bombing from 16000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
25th Sentai with Ki-43-IIa Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
244th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 7 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 54,45

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 5

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Vengeance I x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Vengeance I: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Tenzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Vengeance I bombing from 16000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
25th Sentai with Ki-43-IIa Oscar (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
244th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(13 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Yubari
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Tenzan Maru

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 6:20:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

BTW, has anyone tried the password change function in last build?

I thought it might be useful as I have had requests to change the password in the past.

I can't find the function. Am I looking in the right place?

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 7:01:48 AM

michaelm75au

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ITS GONE!!!

It was there. Honest.

Found it.
My error. Changed a variable and forgot to update the save screen.

It will be back on the next build.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 7:11:19 AM

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ITS GONE!!!

Oh no, I broke it!

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 7:12:18 AM

michaelm75au

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ORIGINAL: sspahr

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ORIGINAL: michaelm
Hasn't been any changes for air attacks between k7 and k9.
When I have a chance, I'll update the advised table.

Here are the combat reports pertaining to the dive bombers appearing to level bomb when set to 16000ft that I referred to. I suppose they could be glide bombing with the attack altitudes not being updated for the report.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 54,45

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 7
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16
Vengeance I x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Teiren Maru
xAK Tonan Maru
xAK Nansin Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Vengeance I bombing from 16000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
25th Sentai with Ki-43-IIa Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
244th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 7 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 54,45

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 5

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
Vengeance I x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Vengeance I: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Tenzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Vengeance I bombing from 16000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
25th Sentai with Ki-43-IIa Oscar (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
244th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(13 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Yubari
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Tenzan Maru

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Got a save?

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 8:33:42 AM

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I got tired of trying to work out if the Burma Road was giving supply or not.

So I have added a line on the base screen of Tsuyung and Ledo/Rangoon to indicate that the 500 daily supply is being added.

Bottom line on the left hand side in case you can't see the colored box.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 8:58:23 AM

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Excellent.

You got tired and so did some of us explaining it.

However your new enhancement has just given me an idea. Rather than having the new "5" shortcut displaying all the hexes with the supply, and in the process disclosing a hex with the presence of an enemy unit, why not adapt the "Burma Road" open concept to all bases. Each base could simply show in the bottom left, the nummerical highest valid supply path eg "90" would indicate a valid path of that value to a supply source and hence a bases which gets resupplied x times per week (I forgt the exact number) whereas "19" indcates only resupplied once a week.

Alfred

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 9:00:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: michaelm
Got a save?

Here it is:

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 10:48:46 AM

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Thanks sspahr for spotting the dive bomers.

I think all glide bombing has accidently stopped when it was removed from torpedo bombers.

KHawk

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 12:58:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

I got tired of trying to work out if the Burma Road was giving supply or not.

So I have added a line on the base screen of Tsuyung and Ledo/Rangoon to indicate that the 500 daily supply is being added.

Bottom line on the left hand side in case you can't see the colored box.

I like this addition, too, Michael! For clarification, isn't the Ledo Road path removed as an option? I thought (maybe with an early patch) that the Burma Road was limited to tracing a supply path to Rangoon.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 3:36:05 PM

Buck Beach

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Bottom line on the left hand side in case you can't see the colored box.

Thank you for this.

Buck

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 4:34:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Excellent.

You got tired and so did some of us explaining it.

However your new enhancement has just given me an idea. Rather than having the new "5" shortcut displaying all the hexes with the supply, and in the process disclosing a hex with the presence of an enemy unit, why not adapt the "Burma Road" open concept to all bases. Each base could simply show in the bottom left, the nummerical highest valid supply path eg "90" would indicate a valid path of that value to a supply source and hence a bases which gets resupplied x times per week (I forgt the exact number) whereas "19" indcates only resupplied once a week.

Alfred

Oh, yeah, like you wouldn't have to explain THIS one!!!!

"Grandpa, what's that number floating around on the bottom left of my box?"

Throw us visual perception dudes a bone, man! I like the hex path way for I am all about the pictures.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/26/2011 6:54:48 PM

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It would have been nice had the Ledo Road and Burma Road been displayed on the map with unique marking?

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/27/2011 12:28:13 AM

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any word yet on when this patch will become 'official'??

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/27/2011 2:35:48 AM

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any word yet on when this patch will become 'official'??

Inquiring minds want to know

Michael

You don't have to stop your incredible work. Just let the rest of us catch up!!!

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/27/2011 2:48:11 AM

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Yea lets wait till michaelm burns out, then the Patch can be made official.

Till then we should let him roll.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/27/2011 1:44:50 PM

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A possible Ground Units screen Back-button bug in 1108k9:

When I select the on-map LCU icon, arriving at the Ground Units at Hex... screen; then select an individual unit; then hit the "Go back one window" Back button--I arrive back at the Ground Units at Hex... screen, but it is empty, devoid of any LCU listings.

Not in all cases, but quite often. I've been seeing this frequently with 1108k9. Never encountered the problem before this.

Saves here.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/27/2011 9:28:15 PM

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Can anyone tell me what using the "4" shows on map? 1-3 are in the manual but not 4.
And does someone have an up-to-date list of the hotkeys, seems that more are missing in the manual.

Also the supply paths visible on map are great but man that slows down my PC a lot I can't even scroll with it and I have to turn it off, any ideas to improve performance?

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/27/2011 10:15:11 PM

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BigDuke66, there have been a number of shortcuts added so are not in the manual.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/27/2011 10:26:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Can anyone tell me what using the "4" shows on map? 1-3 are in the manual but not 4.
And does someone have an up-to-date list of the hotkeys, seems that more are missing in the manual.

Also the supply paths visible on map are great but man that slows down my PC a lot I can't even scroll with it and I have to turn it off, any ideas to improve performance?

I don't have it open right now, but that might be one that shows the country codes that the game engine uses for things like figuring out if the Soviets should activate, if emergency invasion reinforcements should arrive, that sort of thing.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/28/2011 6:16:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

I got tired of trying to work out if the Burma Road was giving supply or not.

So I have added a line on the base screen of Tsuyung and Ledo/Rangoon to indicate that the 500 daily supply is being added.

Bottom line on the left hand side in case you can't see the colored box.

I like this addition, too, Michael! For clarification, isn't the Ledo Road path removed as an option? I thought (maybe with an early patch) that the Burma Road was limited to tracing a supply path to Rangoon.

The code checks path from Ledo, and if that isn't open, then checks path from Rangoon.
No indication that it has/was removed.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/28/2011 6:21:39 AM

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I only turn it on when I need it. And then off again.

Turning off before map moving is a very good idea as it does take time to recalc and draw the numbers on the map.

quote:

Also the supply paths visible on map are great but man that slows down my PC a lot I can't even scroll with it and I have to turn it off, any ideas to improve performance?

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/28/2011 1:54:51 PM

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I only turn it on when I need it. And then off again.

Turning off before map moving is a very good idea as it does take time to recalc and draw the numbers on the map.

I d/led the latest beta just to get the '5' hotkey feature, and it's been a revelation to this "visual learner." I've spent over an hour just paging around the map to key bases and hitting the 5 key, finally seeing why supplies do that voodoo they do so well. Especially illustrative seeing the Oz Outback up the middle numbers through Alice Springs, and how they tail off as one goes south.

Really good feature, Michael. I hope you leave it as is, at least for AI play. It is far more useful than any negatives about un-reconned info on hidden enemy units could be as a negative aspect.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/28/2011 4:27:41 PM

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Maybe I'll change one VP everytime a player uses it.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108k9 updated 24 April - 4/28/2011 4:30:25 PM

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I only turn it on when I need it. And then off again.

Turning off before map moving is a very good idea as it does take time to recalc and draw the numbers on the map.

I d/led the latest beta just to get the '5' hotkey feature, and it's been a revelation to this "visual learner." I've spent over an hour just paging around the map to key bases and hitting the 5 key, finally seeing why supplies do that voodoo they do so well. Especially illustrative seeing the Oz Outback up the middle numbers through Alice Springs, and how they tail off as one goes south.

Really good feature, Michael. I hope you leave it as is, at least for AI play. It is far more useful than any negatives about un-reconned info on hidden enemy units could be as a negative aspect.

I know of several games that show the 'supply point' path - OAW comes to mind. But I don't know if they have the degree of FOW that we have.

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RE: Patch 06 - Public Beta - Build 1108j (build03) - 4/28/2011 9:38:18 PM

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So what exactly does:

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Fixed Error in some calculations of MP and ARM points for squad-type devices in some places [MEM]

mean? Is now cost for devices closer to 1 Armament Point for 1 load point, as stated in manual?

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