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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/25/2011 12:03:54 AM

GreyJoy

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 27,28 42

The last two days of Feb have passed by. Nothing much happened except for a japanese CL raider that dared to get between San Francisco and PH and attack a supply TF loaded up with fuel...despite i had 4 DDs guarding the TF, the jap cruiser managed to sink 3 of my TKs and badly damage one of my DD...my destroyers performed so poorly in defending their sheeps/ships that i have to reconsider the use of combat ship in a transport TF...

The Kb has been spotted near Port Moresby going north...is it going to Singapore to recover?....this however means my WC-OZ convoy is finally safe...Thanks god!

The other bad news of the day is the loss of Kumming in China...with a strong force and with 6 days of constant air bombings the japs, even if in tough terrain, managed to push back my defenders...now Burma is almost connected to China...all in japs' bloody hands

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lahaina at 192,89, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Abukuma, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Mustin
DD Mahan, Shell hits 1
DD Drayton
DD Lamson, Shell hits 1, on fire
TK Sunadmiral, Shell hits 22, heavy fires, heavy damage *sinks*
TK Manatawny, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage *sinks*
TK Pan Europa, Shell hits 2, heavy fires *sinks*
TK Peik

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Murayama, Seiroku crosses the 'T'
CL Abukuma engages TK Peik at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Lamson at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Lamson at 14,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages TK Manatawny at 14,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Lamson at 13,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Drayton at 13,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Mahan at 13,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Mustin at 13,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages TK Manatawny at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Lamson at 12,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Mahan at 12,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages TK Pan Europa at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Lamson at 9,000 yards
TK Peik , TK Pan Europa , TK Manatawny screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 9,000 yards
TK Peik , TK Pan Europa , TK Manatawny screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Mahan at 11,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages DD Drayton at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
TK Peik screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
CL Abukuma engages TK Pan Europa at 10,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages TK Manatawny at 10,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
TK Peik , TK Pan Europa screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
TK Peik , TK Pan Europa screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 8,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 8,000 yards
Murayama, Seiroku orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 9,000 yards
TK Peik , TK Pan Europa , TK Manatawny screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
TK Peik , TK Pan Europa , TK Manatawny screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 15,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
TK Peik screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
CL Abukuma engages TK Pan Europa at 19,000 yards
CL Abukuma engages TK Sunadmiral at 19,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards
TK Peik screened from combat
- escorted by DD Lamson , DD Drayton , DD Mahan ,
DD Mustin
Task forces break off...

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Ground combat at Kunming (69,48)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 34500 troops, 299 guns, 164 vehicles, Assault Value = 1243

Defending force 8121 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 230

Japanese adjusted assault: 1435

Allied adjusted defense: 433

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kunming !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1376 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 100 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled

Allied ground losses:
3516 casualties reported
Squads: 168 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 82 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 22 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
39th/A Division
51st Engineer Regiment
17th Division
104th/B Division
15th/C Division
2nd Recon Regiment
3rd Militia Regiment
104th/A Division
39th/B Division

Defending units:
54th Chinese Corps
11th Group Army
16th Chinese Base Force

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/25/2011 12:29:15 AM

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Northern China situation....desperate

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/25/2011 1:31:20 AM

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quote:

The last two days of Feb have passed by. Nothing much happened except for a japanese CL raider that dared to get between San Francisco and PH and attack a supply TF loaded up with fuel...despite i had 4 DDs guarding the TF, the jap cruiser managed to sink 3 of my TKs and badly damage one of my DD...my destroyers performed so poorly in defending their sheeps/ships that i have to reconsider the use of combat ship in a transport TF..

If you want to defend Transport TFs against surface raiders, put in Big combat ships. Essentially, think Battle of the Atlantic, and escort your TFs with serious combat ships; CA, CLs, and even BBs if you have them. There's no better use for them right now.

And the Big Question is - Where Are Your CVs? Why aren't your CVs cruising and protecting your Shipping Routes between the HI and the WC? There is Definitely Nothing More Important for them to do at this time.

You MUST gain total control of your Sea Lanes between the West Coast and the Hawaiian Islands. Any Enemy ship that ventures East of Hawaii should be sunk immediately. You must discourage your opponent from raiding!!!!

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/25/2011 8:49:56 AM

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My CVs are waiting their march/april upgrades, while training their pilots. At the same time i'm waiting for th Hornet (that will arrive in 4 days) in order to decide if we're strong enough to test japanese defences in SOPAC (assuming Japan is going for Oz or India and not for pacific in the next weeks).
I'm escorting my convoys with LOTS of destroyer...there are clearly not enough. I wonder anyway if it's worth to send a CA or even a BB with my convoys...they become very easy prey for the hunting japanaese subs...
Rader is however bringing the raiding to a state of art. He's always able to get there unspotted (i have many catalinas and subs between Ducth Harbour, Midway,PH,Jonhston and Palmyra)....
I'll try to re-organize my SF-PH convoys around a strong SC-TF that will lead the transport ships to PH and back...let's see if it works...

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/25/2011 11:13:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

My CVs are waiting their march/april upgrades, while training their pilots. At the same time i'm waiting for th Hornet (that will arrive in 4 days) in order to decide if we're strong enough to test japanese defences in SOPAC (assuming Japan is going for Oz or India and not for pacific in the next weeks).

Why? What is your objective? What do you hope to gain? Why should Radar care if you attack some islands in the SOPAC? Will it stop him from capturing India? Will it save you Tankers?

quote:

I'm escorting my convoys with LOTS of destroyer...there are clearly not enough. I wonder anyway if it's worth to send a CA or even a BB with my convoys...they become very easy prey for the hunting japanaese subs...

That's my point - if you put some CAs and CLs in your Transport TFs they can fight off raiders. You can stop enemy subs by creating BIG transport TFs with a dozen or more ASW escorts. AND the float planes on the cruisers can be set to Search and ASW.

Send fewer, but bigger and better protected TFs between the WC and the HI.

quote:

Rader is however bringing the raiding to a state of art. He's always able to get there unspotted (i have many catalinas and subs between Ducth Harbour, Midway,PH,Jonhston and Palmyra)....

How many Air Squadrons do you have on ASW and Search operating out of the HI? Do you have any 4Es on LR Search?

quote:

I'll try to re-organize my SF-PH convoys around a strong SC-TF that will lead the transport ships to PH and back...let's see if it works...

Don't just send TFs between San Fran and the HI. Use the other WC bases. Set several Way Points. Vary your Way Points every turn. Spend a few extra days, get there safely.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/25/2011 10:57:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ADB123

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

My CVs are waiting their march/april upgrades, while training their pilots. At the same time i'm waiting for th Hornet (that will arrive in 4 days) in order to decide if we're strong enough to test japanese defences in SOPAC (assuming Japan is going for Oz or India and not for pacific in the next weeks).

Why? What is your objective? What do you hope to gain? Why should Radar care if you attack some islands in the SOPAC? Will it stop him from capturing India? Will it save you Tankers?

Maybe this won't stop Rader from landing in India or Oz but for sure it will at least make him feel less safe in the pacific. However i need to plan something to try to get him offbalance when he's involved in a major effort in the other part of the world. I cannot simply fall back forever... I need to boost my morale a bit and to get some experience in something else which is not retreating...something like what happened to the allies in RL during the first half of 1942...

quote:

I'm escorting my convoys with LOTS of destroyer...there are clearly not enough. I wonder anyway if it's worth to send a CA or even a BB with my convoys...they become very easy prey for the hunting japanaese subs...

That's my point - if you put some CAs and CLs in your Transport TFs they can fight off raiders. You can stop enemy subs by creating BIG transport TFs with a dozen or more ASW escorts. AND the float planes on the cruisers can be set to Search and ASW.

Send fewer, but bigger and better protected TFs between the WC and the HI.

Yup, that�s what i'm trying to do now...it's a pain however and Rader is good at making me feel unconfident in my backwaters...i'm forced to strongly escort every single convoy of mine...which is a herculean task if you ask me

quote:

Rader is however bringing the raiding to a state of art. He's always able to get there unspotted (i have many catalinas and subs between Ducth Harbour, Midway,PH,Jonhston and Palmyra)....

How many Air Squadrons do you have on ASW and Search operating out of the HI? Do you have any 4Es on LR Search?

Yup, i have a LOT of cats and 2 squadrons of Liberators at PH-SF doing naval search...anyway there's a hole between the arcs that cannot be filled and Rader is good at getting exactly right into it...

quote:

I'll try to re-organize my SF-PH convoys around a strong SC-TF that will lead the transport ships to PH and back...let's see if it works...

Don't just send TFs between San Fran and the HI. Use the other WC bases. Set several Way Points. Vary your Way Points every turn. Spend a few extra days, get there safely.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 01,02 42

The first 2 days of March have been really quiet...i bet it's the calm before the storm.
The Kb is passing in front of Darwing moving northwest...my bet is that she's going to rejoin with the transport fleet at Singapore...
Nothing happened except that i sunk an AKL near port blair with a ducth sub and a part from the usual daily bombing in China...
the real pain of the day is that i've just lost 25 P-40E at PH...i upgraded them to the aircobras because i wanted to get to the pool some more p-40s to fill my Indian and Australian based fighter groups...but, instead of going back to the pool those airframes simply vanished after the upgrade...

I know 25 isn't a lot but believe me when i say that at this stage even a single fighter DOES matter!

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Submarine attack near Port Blair at 46,59

Japanese Ships
xAKL Tainichi Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS KX

xAKL Tainichi Maru is sighted by SS KX
SS KX launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Tainichi Maru

The other news of the day is that Japan has evacuated some of the bases on the north western coast of Oz....pretty strange if you ask me...

in India i made my calculations and the result is that i can master 600 AVs near Calcutta, 5000 AVs near Madras and more 500 near Viza...not enough to push the japs back into the sea...but, except for Viza, the other two locations have strong CD guns and urban terrain, so i hope my AVs could be doubled...in the rest of India i'm trying to cover all those damned little bases in order not to lose VPs because of the garrison requirements...really a pain

Space for time...that will be the code-word

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/25/2011 11:53:30 PM

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quote:

Maybe this won't stop Rader from landing in India or Oz but for sure it will at least make him feel less safe in the pacific. However i need to plan something to try to get him offbalance when he's involved in a major effort in the other part of the world. I cannot simply fall back forever... I need to boost my morale a bit and to get some experience in something else which is not retreating...something like what happened to the allies in RL during the first half of 1942...

Why should he care? What do you hope to accomplish? Do you think that invading a couple of Japanese held atolls will scare him? Those units that you use to capture useless atolls are then not available to defend anything important, and you are sending that message loud and clear.

And remember - many of those Japanese Divisions that are happily eating China for breakfast can be relatively easily moved to the Central Pacific. Grab an atoll - watch what happens when 3 crack Japanese Infantry Divisions land. While you are waiting for that, try to keep your troops supplied against a superior blockade.

Right now he doesn't know where your CVs are, so he has to be a bit careful. Once he sees your CVs attacking in the Pacific he can happily go off and hammer India with everything that he has because you can't do anything significant with the forces that you have on hand and you'll never move the US CVs in time to matter.

If you want to "attack" in AE in 1942 you should play the Japanese side because you need to be extremely aggressive then. Unless you pull off a Midway - and damn few Allied players have done that - you can kiss offensive action goodbye in 1942 as the Allies, particularly given your current strategic situation.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 12:04:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ADB123

quote:

Maybe this won't stop Rader from landing in India or Oz but for sure it will at least make him feel less safe in the pacific. However i need to plan something to try to get him offbalance when he's involved in a major effort in the other part of the world. I cannot simply fall back forever... I need to boost my morale a bit and to get some experience in something else which is not retreating...something like what happened to the allies in RL during the first half of 1942...

Why should he care? What do you hope to accomplish? Do you think that invading a couple of Japanese held atolls will scare him? Those units that you use to capture useless atolls are then not available to defend anything important, and you are sending that message loud and clear.

And remember - many of those Japanese Divisions that are happily eating China for breakfast can be relatively easily moved to the Central Pacific. Grab an atoll - watch what happens when 3 crack Japanese Infantry Divisions land. While you are waiting for that, try to keep your troops supplied against a superior blockade.

Right now he doesn't know where your CVs are, so he has to be a bit careful. Once he sees your CVs attacking in the Pacific he can happily go off and hammer India with everything that he has because you can't do anything significant with the forces that you have on hand and you'll never move the US CVs in time to matter.

If you want to "attack" in AE in 1942 you should play the Japanese side because you need to be extremely aggressive then. Unless you pull off a Midway - and damn few Allied players have done that - you can kiss offensive action goodbye in 1942 as the Allies, particularly given your current strategic situation.

I understand it ADB and what you say it's absolutely clear and sound. However if i'd use my CVs to escort my convoys from PH to SF, as you suggested, i would trigger to him their presence anyway. However i've already seen that rader is too much more experienced than me and he can outplay me as he wishes, so my plan isn't to grab an atoll and then wait there for the obvious japanese reaction. I've read PZB AAR and he clearly shows that Japan can reconquer what the allies might take well into late 43...so my goal is to localize a soft spot to attack, grab some terrain, put in the bag some japanese units, get some experience to my troops and then, as soon as we conquer it, leave the whole base and fall back, leaving there only a small base force and some catalinas (well maybe some CD guns too)... this to me sounds a fair strategy at this stage of the game. I don't like Sir Robin that much. Till now i was forced to Sir Robin also because of my ignorance of some game mechanics...but now i'm starting to feel more confortable and i don't want to appear the usual Sir Robin allied player.

In India he can bring the KB...i know...and i know i cannot stop the KB now...but if the KB is there i can raid with my 5 CVs his pacific supply lines...exactly like the allies have done in RL...i can see what he has there and, possibily, force him to move some assets that otherwise could be usefull for him for India or Oz...
Anyway, nothing is still decided. i'm upgrading my ships now...as soon as they're ready with their new radars i'll see what the general picture looks like and decide what to do

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 2:53:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: ADB123

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

My CVs are waiting their march/april upgrades, while training their pilots. At the same time i'm waiting for th Hornet (that will arrive in 4 days) in order to decide if we're strong enough to test japanese defences in SOPAC (assuming Japan is going for Oz or India and not for pacific in the next weeks).

Why? What is your objective? What do you hope to gain? Why should Radar care if you attack some islands in the SOPAC? Will it stop him from capturing India? Will it save you Tankers?

Maybe this won't stop Rader from landing in India or Oz but for sure it will at least make him feel less safe in the pacific. However i need to plan something to try to get him offbalance when he's involved in a major effort in the other part of the world. I cannot simply fall back forever... I need to boost my morale a bit and to get some experience in something else which is not retreating...something like what happened to the allies in RL during the first half of 1942...

quote:

I'm escorting my convoys with LOTS of destroyer...there are clearly not enough. I wonder anyway if it's worth to send a CA or even a BB with my convoys...they become very easy prey for the hunting japanaese subs...

That's my point - if you put some CAs and CLs in your Transport TFs they can fight off raiders. You can stop enemy subs by creating BIG transport TFs with a dozen or more ASW escorts. AND the float planes on the cruisers can be set to Search and ASW.

Send fewer, but bigger and better protected TFs between the WC and the HI.

Yup, that�s what i'm trying to do now...it's a pain however and Rader is good at making me feel unconfident in my backwaters...i'm forced to strongly escort every single convoy of mine...which is a herculean task if you ask me

quote:

Rader is however bringing the raiding to a state of art. He's always able to get there unspotted (i have many catalinas and subs between Ducth Harbour, Midway,PH,Jonhston and Palmyra)....

How many Air Squadrons do you have on ASW and Search operating out of the HI? Do you have any 4Es on LR Search?

Yup, i have a LOT of cats and 2 squadrons of Liberators at PH-SF doing naval search...anyway there's a hole between the arcs that cannot be filled and Rader is good at getting exactly right into it...

quote:

I'll try to re-organize my SF-PH convoys around a strong SC-TF that will lead the transport ships to PH and back...let's see if it works...

Don't just send TFs between San Fran and the HI. Use the other WC bases. Set several Way Points. Vary your Way Points every turn. Spend a few extra days, get there safely.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 01,02 42

The first 2 days of March have been really quiet...i bet it's the calm before the storm.
The Kb is passing in front of Darwing moving northwest...my bet is that she's going to rejoin with the transport fleet at Singapore...
Nothing happened except that i sunk an AKL near port blair with a ducth sub and a part from the usual daily bombing in China...
the real pain of the day is that i've just lost 25 P-40E at PH...i upgraded them to the aircobras because i wanted to get to the pool some more p-40s to fill my Indian and Australian based fighter groups...but, instead of going back to the pool those airframes simply vanished after the upgrade... I know 25 isn't a lot but believe me when i say that at this stage even a single fighter DOES matter!

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Submarine attack near Port Blair at 46,59

Japanese Ships
xAKL Tainichi Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS KX

xAKL Tainichi Maru is sighted by SS KX
SS KX launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Tainichi Maru

The other news of the day is that Japan has evacuated some of the bases on the north western coast of Oz....pretty strange if you ask me...

in India i made my calculations and the result is that i can master 600 AVs near Calcutta, 5000 AVs near Madras and more 500 near Viza...not enough to push the japs back into the sea...but, except for Viza, the other two locations have strong CD guns and urban terrain, so i hope my AVs could be doubled...in the rest of India i'm trying to cover all those damned little bases in order not to lose VPs because of the garrison requirements...really a pain
Space for time...that will be the code-word

They are not lost, they just show up in the pool in the next week or so. They do not go in at that moment you upgrade a group.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 3:29:08 AM

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The one thing that stood out to me is that you have Liberators doing naval search?!
Am I the only one reacting to that?
To me that is a no no. These guys are too valuable imo, they can take on close to their own number of enemy fighters, laugh at them, bomb the target and shoot down an enemy fighter or two for laughs, AND they have a good range.

Have you gotten intel that he has moved the units in Oz out of Oz, or are you flying recon missions and suddenly units are not where they used to be?

What is your gut feeling, where do you think he will strike? (just curious, you say what you fear, but I cannot see you stating what you think

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 8:32:47 AM

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Thank you Zeta! Finally a good news....

Terje, i've had left only 2 squadrons of liberators on Naval Search in order to support the Cats at PH...however your comment made me realize that, with the upcoming beginning of phase 2 i'll really need those airframes, so i swicthed them back to ground attack training and downgraded to b-26s or A-20s....

What i think? Well, everything says India.
India is closer than Oz and less fuel-consuming. India has a stronger industry/res infrastructure so it's a more juicy target for Japan. It's also easier to defend once you conquer it. I also think that the road-railroad system in India much favours the attacker cause it will let him chose between many vectors of advance.
However i got an intel report of the 5th of March saying that the 20th recon rgt was prepping for Brisbane! It's the first "prepping" intel i get since Singapore fell and it may indicate that all our thoughts about India were wrong.
I don't know if this is just a trick or a real intel sightin...what i know for certain is that more than 120 units are stationed at Singapore right now...And the KB is moving towards those waters.
If he wants to go for Oz it's a long way to go and, in order to isolate Oz he needs NZ, Tasmania and a strong presence in the SOlomons-Fijii...while till now he hasn't done none of that. I really hope he's real target is Oz cause i feel defenetly safer there. I'm concentrating my forces between Brisbane-Syney and Melbourne and the Australian forces represents a toughter nut to crack than the Indian units...however...well, however i do fell he's going for India. He's been too quiet in Burma since he conquered it and the scounting actions he's been doing in the last months with subs and AVs may indicate he was trying to get some infos about my disposition in India.
I don't think he's coming for the Hawaii neither...from Singapore it's a damned long way to reach Hawaii and he would be a fool to use Singa as a Hub for his units if his ultimate goal was PH.

In India my situation is not improving much. Forts are coming up too slowly and most of my forces have very very low morale and exp. However there isn't much i can do right now. I need to remain calm and cool and keep in mind that i don't have to win on the beaches...i just need to buy as much time as i can in order to get the reinforcements coming from Aden and Cape Town.

March 5-7th 1942

Another two quiet turns. We managed to sink a I-class sub between PH and San Diego, while a japanese SCTF managed to damage one of my dutch sub near the Adamans.
He's strongly reconing Bangladesh...i bet for a landing there. I'm keeping my units not in base hexes so he cannot see them with his recon planes. Massing troops in Viza area.
My recon says there's nothing left of the japanese forces that conquered the Aleutinias...probably i'll think about a very small invasion during the summer...

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 8:40:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: terje439
Have you gotten intel that he has moved the units in Oz out of Oz, or are you flying recon missions and suddenly units are not where they used to be?

Terje

Yup, i've reconquered a base (port something...west of Darwin) with a base force that was pulled back from it...she moved back and the base was empty... strange

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 9:09:11 AM

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Hi GreyJoy,

At this speed of advance, it seems unlikely that your opponent can hold everything he captures. Taking back bases after he left them is a good strategy. In China, it will complicate supply flow to his forward units, in the DEI, it will leave pockets to be cleared at a later time (that is, if you can prevent autovictory). And, most importantly, it will be good for your morale (you need that now, don't you?)

I think you should try to work out a couple of coffeetable calculations : Japan, at this stage, has about 45K AV available. 4k are restricted in Japan, there are about 12k in Manchuria (he can buy some away, but slowly), and garrison duties in China tie about 8k more. Overall, he probably has about 20k AV available for attack, 10k in China, and 10k in the Pacific, and if he uses all of them, it means, lots of rear bases are empty and up for grabs... Since Rader is often using very large stacks (1000-4000 AV, say), this puts a limit on the number of operations he can conduct and the number of rear bases he can garrison... The maps you posted also show you have lots of units scattered behind his lines. In China, this is probably your best strategy right now (together with trying to make a stand in Chungking). In the DEI, Borneo, Celebes, New Guinea, you can probably do quite a bit of mischief too.

This won't win you the war, but it will probably help stop the present panic.

Francois

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 9:28:40 AM

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Hi GreyJoy,

At this speed of advance, it seems unlikely that your opponent can hold everything he captures. Taking back bases after he left them is a good strategy. In China, it will complicate supply flow to his forward units, in the DEI, it will leave pockets to be cleared at a later time (that is, if you can prevent autovictory). And, most importantly, it will be good for your morale (you need that now, don't you?)

I think you should try to work out a couple of coffeetable calculations : Japan, at this stage, has about 45K AV available. 4k are restricted in Japan, there are about 12k in Manchuria (he can buy some away, but slowly), and garrison duties in China tie about 8k more. Overall, he probably has about 20k AV available for attack, 10k in China, and 10k in the Pacific, and if he uses all of them, it means, lots of rear bases are empty and up for grabs... Since Rader is often using very large stacks (1000-4000 AV, say), this puts a limit on the number of operations he can conduct and the number of rear bases he can garrison... The maps you posted also show you have lots of units scattered behind his lines. In China, this is probably your best strategy right now (together with trying to make a stand in Chungking). In the DEI, Borneo, Celebes, New Guinea, you can probably do quite a bit of mischief too.

This won't win you the war, but it will probably help stop the present panic.

Francois

Hi Francois,

well, in China that's what i'm doing, even if Rader is using smartly his garrisons. He put always enough forces in contested hex to hold me and block my movements. However i'm trying to harrass him everywhere i can.
In Borneo and DEI that's not the case. He's destroying every single pocket left behind and there's really anything left to move. Manila is sieged and bombed daily by a garrison which is strong enough to prevent me from pushing it back.

10k AVs in the pacific is a LOT...means he can send 8k AVs to India or Oz...with these numbers how am i supposed to hold the line?

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 9:47:26 AM

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Hi GreyJoy,

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10k AVs in the pacific is a LOT...means he can send 8k AVs to India or Oz...with these numbers how am i supposed to hold the line?

That's what I thought when I first came up with the figure (I play Japan). But then, the Pacific (plus SRA) is very large. From what you posted recently, he had about 3k in Singapore + Malaya (he must keep minimal garrisons there). How much on Luzon? 1000 or so? What about Java? and Sumatra? And then if he's cleaning up remnants (a wise idea) you'll get a few hundred more on various islands. This is only SRA, add the pacific (a couple hundreds), and Burma, and Australia, and his new conquests in South Pac, and Aleutians...

In any case, I don't think 10k can mean 8k mobilisable for India or Oz, or many places would be left empty. And he has conquered a VERY large perimeter.

You really need to do the sum. I might be wrong, but you might be surprised...

Francois

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 10:23:13 AM

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Hope you're right Francois.

As far as i can tell he has already re-deployed those unrestricted units that he used in China during the first month of war (those units that he used to crush my defensive positions at Nanning), so he may have now something like 12 Divisions plus probably more units bought from Manchuria. He could easily leave naval guards and SNLF units in DEI-SRA and Pacific by now...knowing i don't have the capabilities to strike back there at the moment and use those crack divisions to open the second phase of his conquests...anyway, nothing i can do about it right now...just wait and see and prepare my defences as better as i can

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 11:01:47 AM

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I'm keeping my units not in base hexes so he cannot see them with his recon planes.

Actually, you can spot troops in non-base hexes with Recon planes.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 3:00:27 PM

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I'm keeping my units not in base hexes so he cannot see them with his recon planes.

Actually, you can spot troops in non-base hexes with Recon planes.

Oh...thanks.

So i'd better chose some different ways to hide my units and leave him with a bit of uncertainity (!?!?) about my troops deployment

Thx

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 10:42:13 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 07,8 42

Think i was completely wrong

. He's not coming for India - non completely at least. He's probably coming for Oz.
In India Japan conducted 2 fast transport landings at Akyab and Cock's Bazar...this is a prelude possibly to a "light" advance in Bangladesh but don't think this is a major thrust for India...he should have landed at Viza or Colombo for that one...
Our subs attacked several times the japanese landing forces near Port Blair but all of them missed their targets...

His ASW is becoming every day stronger in those waters...will have to leave soon

At the same time he landed 4 Naval Guards Units (for a total of 250 AVs) at PM...this is the first step of the isolation of Oz.
Float planes sighted over Aukland in NZ...you know what it means right? IJN is coming...
Luckly my Convoy has already arrived and is still unloading at Melbourne...Oz is well supplied now, even if it's still very short of fuel.

In China Luchow has fallen...but that was expected...Jap troops are surrounding Chungking...the end is near

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ASW attack near Trinkat at 45,63

Japanese Ships
     DD Sanae
     E Shimushu
     DD Kuretake

Allied Ships
     SS KVIII

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Sub attack near Trinkat at 46,65

Japanese Ships
     DMS W-1
     SC Ch 8
     DD Hatakaze
     DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
     SS O21

SS O21 launches 4 torpedoes at DMS W-1
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Amphibious Assault at Cox's Bazar

TF 29 troops unloading over beach at Cox's Bazar, 54,43

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Amphibious Assault at Akyab

TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Akyab, 54,45

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Sub attack near Trinkat at 45,63

Japanese Ships
     DD Kuretake
     E Shimushu
     DD Sanae

Allied Ships
     SS KVIII

SS KVIII launches 2 torpedoes at DD Kuretake
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Ground combat at Lanchow (81,34)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15141 troops, 106 guns, 282 vehicles, Assault Value = 670

Defending force 7552 troops, 54 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 205

Japanese adjusted assault: 397

Allied adjusted defense: 47

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Lanchow !!!

Allied aircraft
     no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
     79 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
        Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
     Vehicles lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
     2578 casualties reported
        Squads: 190 destroyed, 13 disabled
        Non Combat: 174 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Engineers: 15 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 13 (13 destroyed, 0 disabled)
     Units retreated 5

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ASW attack near Port Blair at 47,57

Japanese Ships
     DD Yudachi
     DD Asagumo
     DD Yamakaze
     DD Samidare

Allied Ships
     SS KX

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ASW attack near Port Blair at 49,58

Japanese Ships
     APD Hishu
     DD Asagao
     DD Yukaze
     DD Yakaze
     DD Sawakaze
     E Hachijo
     CM Itsukushima
     DMS W-12
     APD Tade
     APD Kiku
     APD Shimakaze
     LSD Akitsu Maru
     AK Hirokawa Maru
     xAP Shanghai Maru
     xAP Keihuku Maru
     xAP Huso Maru
     xAP Takatiho Maru
     xAP Suwa Maru
     xAP Kashima Maru
     xAP Haruna Maru
     xAP Hakozaki Maru
     xAP Hakone Maru
     xAP Argentina Maru
     xAK Zyuyo Maru
     xAK Shinwa Maru
     xAK Awajisan Maru
     xAK Shinyubari Maru
     xAK Montreal Maru
     xAK Turuga Maru
     xAK Johore Maru
     xAK Okiyu Maru
     xAK Tamagawa Maru
     xAK Asosan Maru
     xAK Kansai Maru
     xAK Amagisan Maru
     DD Kuri
     DD Hasu
     DD Yugao
     DD Karukaya

Allied Ships
     SS KX

SS KX launches 2 torpedoes at APD Hishu

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ASW attack near Port Blair at 49,58

Japanese Ships
     CM Saishu
     SC CHa-3
     CM Aotaka
     CM Shirataka
     AK Sakito Maru
     xAP Teikyo Maru
     xAK Unkai Maru #6
     xAK Hikosan Maru
     xAK Cheribon Maru
     xAK Bandoeng Maru
     xAK Ehime Maru
     xAK Taian Maru
     xAK Okuyo Maru
     xAK Sumanoura Maru
     xAK Yamagata Maru
     xAK Hokuan Maru
     xAK Asahisan Maru
     xAKL Buyo Maru
     xAKL Oridono Maru
     xAKL Hinko Maru
     PB Konsan Maru
     PB Takuna Maru #7
     PB Showa Maru #5
     PB Showa Maru #3

Allied Ships
     SS KX

SS KX launches 2 torpedoes at CM Saishu

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Pre-Invasion action off Port Moresby - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

74 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
     CL Yubari, Shell hits 1, on fire
     CL Tatsuta
     CL Tenryu
     DD Yuzuki
     DD Mochizuki, Shell hits 1, on fire
     DD Yayoi
     DD Kisaragi
     PB Tama Maru #5
     PB Chiyo Maru #4
     PB Yahada Maru
     PB Sento Maru
     PB Kinsyo Maru #2
     PB Narita Maru
     PB Katsuragisan Maru
     PB Shotoku Maru
     PB Santos Maru
     PB Nagata Maru
     PB Keijo Maru
     PB Kaiun Maru
     PB Kaikei Maru
     PB Ikuta Maru
     PB Fukui Maru
     PB Choko Maru #2
     PB Busho Maru

Japanese ground losses:
     40 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Pre-Invasion action off Port Moresby

45 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
     xAK Manko Maru
     PB Karimo Maru
     PB Santo Maru
     PB Sensan Maru
     xAK Nanman Maru

Japanese ground losses:
     19 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Invasion Support action off Port Moresby - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
     CL Tatsuta
     CL Tenryu, Shell hits 1
     DD Mochizuki, on fire
     PB Yahada Maru
     PB Sento Maru
     PB Kinsyo Maru #2
     PB Narita Maru
     PB Katsuragisan Maru
     PB Shotoku Maru
     PB Santos Maru
     PB Nagata Maru
     PB Keijo Maru
     PB Kaiun Maru
     PB Kaikei Maru
     PB Ikuta Maru
     PB Fukui Maru
     PB Choko Maru #2
     PB Busho Maru
     PB Chiyo Maru #4
     PB Tama Maru #5

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Invasion Support action off Port Moresby
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

9 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
     xAK Manko Maru, Shell hits 1
     PB Santo Maru
     xAK Ikushima Maru, Shell hits 1
     PB Karimo Maru
     PB Sensan Maru
     xAK Nanman Maru

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Invasion Support action off Port Moresby
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
     xAK Taito Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
     xAK Tarushima Maru, Shell hits 1
     xAK Ikushima Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
     PB Karimo Maru
     PB Sensan Maru
     PB Santo Maru
     xAK Nanman Maru

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Ground combat at Port Moresby (98,130)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 748 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 40

Defending force 6009 troops, 50 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 243

Allied ground losses:
     5 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
   Port Moresby Brigade
   15th RAAF Base Force

Defending units:
   II/66th Naval Guard Unit
   65th Nav Gd /1
   67th Nav Gd /1
   61st Nav Gd /2
   Maizuru 2nd SNLF /4

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 10:50:18 PM

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So let's sum it up. Japan landed at Akyab and Cock's Bazar in India. Probably he will creare advanced AFs here.
At the same time he landed in force at PM, despite the opposition was minimal (and he knew that cause PM has been reconned for ages now). I bet next step will be new Caledonia. The presence of some Alfs confirmed over NZ means he has surface assets there, for sure they're cleaning the way for an invasion of new Caledonia. I have nothing there except for the french unit that starts there.

Starting to sweat...

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 10:57:48 PM

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So let's sum it up. Japan landed at Akyab and Cock's Bazar in India. Probably he will creare advanced AFs here.

Akyab and Coxs Bazar make easy stepping stones to the Rail Lines without having to land against prepared defences and CD guns. If I were him I would now land plenty of armour and a couple of divisions, and they will play Pacman throughout the northeast of India.

If I were you I would ignore the South Pacific for a year. Come back when you've got Hellcats and Essex class CVs...

Good luck.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 11:06:46 PM

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So let's sum it up. Japan landed at Akyab and Cock's Bazar in India. Probably he will creare advanced AFs here.

Akyab and Coxs Bazar make easy stepping stones to the Rail Lines without having to land against prepared defences and CD guns. If I were him I would now land plenty of armour and a couple of divisions, and they will play Pacman throughout the northeast of India.

If I were you I would ignore the South Pacific for a year. Come back when you've got Hellcats and Essex class CVs...

Good luck.

Ignoring Sopac for a year? Well, i don't wanna throw away my naval assets (already so badly treated after the 7th Dec onslaught - 8 BBs sunk at PH plus 2 more brit BBs during the first stages) but the situation looks so grimm (China conquered, Burma conquered, India under the threat of a possibile massive invasion, same fate for Oz, PM on the way to be conquered, Caledonia with no hopes of survining, Solomons and Marshalls already in his hands...)...what am i supposed to do? An extreme Sir robin? Wouldn't this strategy be too "risky" playing on scenario 2? I've read somewhere here on these boards that with scenario 2 the allies cannot really let japan have free hands for the first 1,5 years...if it's so the allies really risk an autovictory by 1.1.43...

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 11:43:42 PM

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Greyjoy, been reading and have to agree with Francois. There is only so much Japan can do. The key for you is keep track of the KB. Don't be afraid to use the UK fleet assets to discourage the enemy from reinforcing Cox's Bazaar and Akyab. If necessary, beach the planes and run the CVs back to safety. Use the BBs, CAs, CLs, and DDs, to disrupt supply up the coast. Eventually you will get sufficient a/c into India to use land a/c to hold the coast. Beware of raids to sever your supply line to Capetown. Diego Garcia and other islands out there need to be defended. I used KVs and ran out some very small land units. Was able to take back all the areas invaded rather easily.

Fuel to Oz is essential. Start hauling everything (fuel, supply and resources) you can out of the DEI to Perth, and then start hauling as much as possible into India/Columbo from Middle East and Capetown from England. Get fuel moving to England from US East Coast. Then run as much as possible to Perth and Sydney from Capetown. (Make sure KB is elsewhere). Don't forget to lift USArmy Divisions to OZ. And start moving the OZ armor northeastward. They are deadly in the open terrain up there.

One advantage you do have. When Japan concentrates, they need to move tons of supply forward. Run a few SC task forces into rear areas. You will be surprised how much shipping you can bag. It does slow them down. Just keep tracking the 800 pound gorilla. Avoid that and you can effectively operate anywhere else. What you are learning is the value of force projection--and you can do the same in return with your CVs.

Remember too, this is game and not a simulation. Any semblance to RL is merely accidental. Just because "they" did it in real life doesn't count here. It is all about what they and you CAN do that matters. The strategies still apply, ie, the main objectives have not changed, but the execution is quite different (as you are discovering).

Right now the key for you is to not lose your carriers in an encounter with the KB. You can lose the war in one afternoon (of course you can win it too--but the risk is way too high) if your carriers get smoked.

Francois is right. Find where they are investing the AV value and hit them where they ain't. And by hitting them I mean hit and run attacks. You cannot invest troops with any hope of holding out, so wait to invade when you are much stronger. Instead, get your troop force organized and activated so that you can invest defenders where they will do the most good.

Hang in there. You are supposed to get run over right now. The choices you make, however, will determine if the comeback is in 43 or 44. And don't forget that the further they go the more they have to supply. Those lines will get pretty long and become very vulnerable. So even if they get into OZ or the SOPAC or the coastal India area, eventually they get spread too thin, and the roll back goes faster.

Time to be organizing your supplies, your troops, eventually your planes, thinking where to put these assets to good use. Build bases in New Zealand and Tahiti if the SOPAC falls. If you can get troops to Suva first, do so, it is your most defensible of the SOPAC bases. One division dug in in Suva will make Pago Pago an attractive alternative to the enemy. But remember, keep track of the KB. If they come, no amount of troops or planes will hold anything. So don't be afraid to build up further out than RL did. You will still need routes to OZ from the WC. Just go further south. Most (not all, mind you) Jap players like to hold a line from Noumea to Suva to Pago Pago and Canton Island. You will still have some territory to exploit.

Good Luck, it gets better.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/26/2011 11:56:57 PM

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The only value of SoPac for Japan is either bagging defending units, or as a supplementary operation for a major offensive against Oz/NZ. Or to get a point edge for an autovictory. Otherwise, you should be glad if your opponent goes here. Even if everything up to Tahiti is taken, with a bit of preparation you can still easily supply Australia through Perth. Meanwhile, Japan will be forced to supply these islands through very long lines of communication, and while Allies have functionally infinite fuel and supplies, with the only problem being hauling them to the frontlines, Japan does not. And necessity to garrizon all these islands will make the Japanese perimeter much weaker overall.

Focus on not losing India or Australia at the moment. That's where Japan can actually grab something valuable, as well as enough points to almost certainly secure an auto-victory. In the Pacific, hold only Hawaii, then Aleutians, when you'll be able to affort it. If Japan overextends into SoPac, go right for Gilberts/Marshalls when it will be the time for Allied offensive.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/27/2011 12:46:28 AM

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Thanks guys for your support...is much much needed at the moment!

I have no problem supplying Oz with supplies...what i'm really missing is fuel right now. Oz industry sucks fuel like it was water and we're not using the latest beta patch so i cannot turn it off. Cape Town relies on the monthly convoys that arrives but it only gets 100k fuel per month which is just enough to feed my navy there. I don't have TKs to spare to be sent to East Coast-UK-Cape town route...nor from Cape town to Oz...i really have few of them and they're badly needed in WC in order to feed Hawaii and make it a big hub for the next months.
i'm trying to send the TKs i get in Abedan to CT...let's see if i can arrange a little supply-chain.

Tomorrow i'll reply to your kind comments...

Still thanks

good night

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/27/2011 3:51:58 AM

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Those TFs you launched against near Port Blair, are those the ones that made the landings at Cox and Akyab? Looks like quite big invasion TFs to me.

How much AV in Chungking by now? The units you have in China that are in hexes with enemy troops, do you order them to attack to kill them off in order to respawning them in 30 days, or do you keep them to disrupt supply movement?

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/27/2011 5:15:34 AM

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Thanks guys for your support...is much much needed at the moment!

I have no problem supplying Oz with supplies...what i'm really missing is fuel right now. Oz industry sucks fuel like it was water and we're not using the latest beta patch so i cannot turn it off. Cape Town relies on the monthly convoys that arrives but it only gets 100k fuel per month which is just enough to feed my navy there. I don't have TKs to spare to be sent to East Coast-UK-Cape town route...nor from Cape town to Oz...i really have few of them and they're badly needed in WC in order to feed Hawaii and make it a big hub for the next months.
i'm trying to send the TKs i get in Abedan to CT...let's see if i can arrange a little supply-chain.

Tomorrow i'll reply to your kind comments...

Still thanks

good night

You'll never have enough tankers. You must haul fuel in xAKs. You should have lots and lots of DEI refugees right now. Get them off-map and to the EC to get a first load. Any size xAK or xAKL will work between EC and CT (other poster who advocated using England--why? Just adds another unload/reload cycle.) Off-map they don't need to refuel or have range constraints; it's abstracted in the code. Use big, long-legged xAKs to haul from CT to Perth. If you can't turn off Oz industry eventually you can haul it to Tasmania for an interim dump until you go north later in 1942/43. But early, get some fuel into Perth and stay away from his subs as much as you can. The route to Tasmania can be full of them.

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/27/2011 6:28:47 PM

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Greyjoy, been reading and have to agree with Francois. There is only so much Japan can do. The key for you is keep track of the KB. Don't be afraid to use the UK fleet assets to discourage the enemy from reinforcing Cox's Bazaar and Akyab. If necessary, beach the planes and run the CVs back to safety. Use the BBs, CAs, CLs, and DDs, to disrupt supply up the coast. Eventually you will get sufficient a/c into India to use land a/c to hold the coast. Beware of raids to sever your supply line to Capetown. Diego Garcia and other islands out there need to be defended. I used KVs and ran out some very small land units. Was able to take back all the areas invaded rather easily.

Hi Johnjohn and thanks.

How am i supposed to defend Diego G. and those other islands out there without weakening my already weak Indian defences? Wouldn't it better to simply let him have those if he wants them and concentrate on the defence of the sub-continent?

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/27/2011 6:31:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: FatR

The only value of SoPac for Japan is either bagging defending units, or as a supplementary operation for a major offensive against Oz/NZ. Or to get a point edge for an autovictory. Otherwise, you should be glad if your opponent goes here. Even if everything up to Tahiti is taken, with a bit of preparation you can still easily supply Australia through Perth. Meanwhile, Japan will be forced to supply these islands through very long lines of communication, and while Allies have functionally infinite fuel and supplies, with the only problem being hauling them to the frontlines, Japan does not. And necessity to garrizon all these islands will make the Japanese perimeter much weaker overall.

Focus on not losing India or Australia at the moment. That's where Japan can actually grab something valuable, as well as enough points to almost certainly secure an auto-victory. In the Pacific, hold only Hawaii, then Aleutians, when you'll be able to affort it. If Japan overextends into SoPac, go right for Gilberts/Marshalls when it will be the time for Allied offensive.

That's what i've been doing till now. After the Alfred's suggestions i've redeployed those forces sent to Canton is and Pago Pago. However i'd like to find a isle that is able to become a hub between NZ and Christmas isl...i badly need to secure my routes (even if long ones) between WC and Oz which are costantly exposed to his raiders...

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RE: Singapore Falls - 4/27/2011 6:35:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Thanks guys for your support...is much much needed at the moment!

I have no problem supplying Oz with supplies...what i'm really missing is fuel right now. Oz industry sucks fuel like it was water and we're not using the latest beta patch so i cannot turn it off. Cape Town relies on the monthly convoys that arrives but it only gets 100k fuel per month which is just enough to feed my navy there. I don't have TKs to spare to be sent to East Coast-UK-Cape town route...nor from Cape town to Oz...i really have few of them and they're badly needed in WC in order to feed Hawaii and make it a big hub for the next months.
i'm trying to send the TKs i get in Abedan to CT...let's see if i can arrange a little supply-chain.

Tomorrow i'll reply to your kind comments...

Still thanks

good night

You'll never have enough tankers. You must haul fuel in xAKs. You should have lots and lots of DEI refugees right now. Get them off-map and to the EC to get a first load. Any size xAK or xAKL will work between EC and CT (other poster who advocated using England--why? Just adds another unload/reload cycle.) Off-map they don't need to refuel or have range constraints; it's abstracted in the code. Use big, long-legged xAKs to haul from CT to Perth. If you can't turn off Oz industry eventually you can haul it to Tasmania for an interim dump until you go north later in 1942/43. But early, get some fuel into Perth and stay away from his subs as much as you can. The route to Tasmania can be full of them.

Ok, so i'm now trying to redeploy my AKs in order to set up a supply-chain between EC and CT and from there to Perth...however i feel the latter route is very very exposed...he keeps AVs with float planes around and SCTFs ready to smash my convoys...how am i supposed to escort all these convoy routes!?!? I have not enough surface forces to guarantee all my supply routes against his cruisers...forgetting for a moment about the Kb which will probably be involved in other more important tasks

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