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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/20/2011 5:07:50 PM   
PeeDeeAitch


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I don't like little pockets, because they always get broken and I lose out encirclements.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/21/2011 3:18:00 AM   
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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/21/2011 4:02:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, no. Not really. They haven't done too much though either. They cut off a few units, lost a few in combat, and wintered in Dnepropetrovsk. Thus they are the power that you see now.

-edit- now if they filled up with 20 or so T-34s...




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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/21/2011 4:11:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I believe a patch was supposed to fix them so they could receive the crappy light tank the Romanians build.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/21/2011 8:44:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		the "pocket" receive supply through a "shoestring"
manage to retreat the mountain,Rum Arm,anSS & an Italian in this sector
got 2 new corps (one over there)

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/22/2011 2:45:53 AM   
PeeDeeAitch


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Status: offline 		I think if I can keep this pocket closed (and that is a big if, the first time it was blown through right where I feared, the Mountain and the Romanian), then the Red Army might be on the ropes. Not to be knocked out, but not strong enough for the rest of the 1942 to fend off what I want to do. I have a massive central bulge to the Volga, tired tanks (they will need 3-4 weeks to rest), and infantry running up. Any place that the Soviets can be attacked from three hexes, I can move him back - except in the north where the 9th army and 16th army are resting in the woods beyond Moscow.

Some targets he will have to defend, so I will have to slice out terrain elsewhere. Right now I have some units, rails almost to the front again, and sweet, sweet momentum.

I really would like to win a GC in PBEM. Dunno if it will happen, but it would be fun.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/22/2011 3:07:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		As the power of the tanks winds down in summer of 1942, I need to set goals. First, I want to lose 10 lbs by December. Second, I want to rest up the weary infantry, tanks, and bicycle troops for winter offensives. Thirsd, I would like some sort of semblance of lines for the armies.

With that in mind, totally off the cuff and making this up as I go along, I have drawn these lines as the end point for the southern advance in clear weather of 1942.

The Yellow Line is to be the defensive line, somewhat following the Don-Volga. The Tanks in one last great attempt at encirclement will surround and isolate Stalingrad. The infantry will slog up and take up the lines. From north to south: 2nd Army (already on the Don but spread out), the 6th, the 17th, and the 11th (by winter no longer an army as the 11th goes away).

The tanks can pull back to the rails to rest for the winter offensives. The rivers will secure the lines until freeze, and then they will not be in the way as the tanks head for Baku in winter of 1942-43.

Here is the spiffy map.

(note - none of this may have anything to do with reality. I just like making maps and showing off what is brewing in my febrile mind)




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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/23/2011 12:38:16 AM   
PeeDeeAitch


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Status: offline 		As of now I can't end a turn without crashing (in this game only). I expect it is the ghost of Stalin keeping me from completing my victory.

Oh well, it would have been nice to be the first to actually win a game in an AAR.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/23/2011 3:13:42 AM   
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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/23/2011 8:03:20 AM   
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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 12:37:38 AM   
PeeDeeAitch


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Looks like the game is kerfluckt. Apparantly Cpt Flam's Red Army was trying to create 147 new guard units and my turn seized up. Oh well. Another game that goes down into the "not finished, too bad" catagory.

Here is the map at the end - hard to see, but there are three panzer corps circling wide of the Volga to isolate Stalingrad in a couple of turns and three panzer corps driving hard to Kazan to try and roll up the Northern Volga. I had reached a point of open maneuver again, and I think it would have been several turns at least before I was slowed again.

The moral of the story is simple. Don't count your chickens before they cross the road to get to the other side.





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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 12:39:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the ending OOB - note I had the Red Army below 4m men again





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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 12:41:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		And most importantly, here is the Bicycle Battalion, a bit worse for wear after the campaign season (and pedaling like madmen to keep up with the tanks of 1st Panzer)





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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 12:46:14 AM   
PeeDeeAitch


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Status: offline 		And so I bid this AAR adieu. As I said, it would have been nice to win out, I was at about 260 victory points when it all ended. By the end of the 42 campaign seasin I should have had 10 more at least. In my eyes, victory could have been achieved in 1943.

Cpt Flam came under undue criticism in this game from those observing, but I think that I play a different style of game from what some others play. Players like Ketza and some others also play this way, and the results have been similar (or will be). I expect that as Axis players get more games under their belts more people will begin to see some of the same.

I am not the most stellar player, but I do try to grab and keep the initiative. I have learned to bust carpets, I love seeing checkerboards, and there is not a salient that exists that doesn't get me thinking about encircling. That has to be the way, I think.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 1:51:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Impressive work, probably the best that has been shown on the board. I'd be happy to take you on at some point (me as Sovs) once you've had a full chance to R&R from this one.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 2:31:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I learned a lot form your AAR. Im sad to see it end.

Good show however! Your wit kept it extra interesting. You must do another!

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 6:24:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PeeDeeAitch
Players like Ketza and some others also play this way, and the results have been similar (or will be).


Ahem...not if I can help it!

Although I admit to having concerns about the 1942 campaign...

Very good game and AAR, I think you can put this one in the Win column.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 8:54:14 AM   
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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 3:56:02 PM   
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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 4:27:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with 76mm With all due respect to cpt flam this is clearly a win. Well done! "How to lose the war", eh?

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 5:31:06 PM   
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i did say in last message that i will continue till his victory
he often take me unaware
sad to leave it

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 5:31:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't in all good faith claim anything. The game ended due to a bug snafu. While I do think I would have won, I did not. In other games where I opted out, even in winning positions, I have only claimed a draw. Thus the same here.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 5:32:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flam, how is that other game going, the one you showed me? That one was a bit different!

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 5:34:34 PM   
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will keep you inform

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 5:40:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have you guys asked the devs to look at the file? Any idea what happened to it? So far this game has been very stable with very few such problems, although you are one of the few to reach so far in the campaign.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 5:42:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I sent in the files. Joel hinted that there was a problem at times with guard creation in the past.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 4/24/2011 7:30:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		What if the developers will find the bug and fix it? Would both of you like to continue the game if it would be possible? They may not fix it so quick due to Easter break, but seeing how fast they responded to vehicle production bug, I'm full of hope that your issue is recoverable and that they will find solution.

I would really love to see what would happen next in your AAR!

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 5/1/2011 9:18:23 PM   
PeeDeeAitch


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Status: offline 		Well, .14 fixed the guards problem, but I am still not sure it is worth going on. I was able to finish my turn however - that is a big hurrah for the team and their bug squashing.

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 5/3/2011 1:30:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please, go on. This AAR is awesome. Cpt. Flam, what about you? I understand you may not be interested, but please agree :-)

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RE: Misplaced Victories - They were here a second ago... - 5/3/2011 2:14:04 PM   
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