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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/8/2011 6:39:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


but do you really all feel that i'm not approaching the strategic problem with a "question-answer" approach? because i do feel i'm trying to do exactly that...

Ok, let's try to express my thoughts in a clearer way.

Question nr. 1: Bombay, Karachi or both.



I'm certainly not in Neno or Alfred's class on this stuff, and I've re-read their posts looking for a clue for what they "want" you to see or do, and I'm still not sure. However, to Nemo's points, look at the quote above. Those ARE NOT your only choices. One of them might be your best choice, but they are not your universe of choices for a response to your opponent. Your focus on air power is also IMO blinding you to the multi-faceted issues you face. For me, supply is far more a critical variable than air power of any kind, and your plans to date have limited to no naval aspects to them. Re supply, Karachi and Bombay have very large structural differences related to the economic model in the game. Re naval, you still own Ceylon, for just one example. Are you using it?

Think bigger.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/8/2011 9:40:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Preconceptions blind us. Inexperience blinds us. The combination of inexperience and preconceptions leads to blindness to strategic options.

When you only have 2 or 3 options to consider ( due to inexperience and preconceptions ) it is highly unlikely that those will be the best 2 or 3 options available.

In addition, in the longer-term how will you ever learn about the other 7 or 8 other options available if you never consider them or go through the process of abandoning preconceptions and engaging in the planning process required to generate a plan with people who don't suffer from your preconceptions and inexperience?

E.g. In my current game I am playing as Japan in September 1945. I am on the defensive, obviously, My navy comprises 1 BB, 2 CA, 1 CL and about 30 DD. The USN outnumbers it about 25 or 30 to 1. They also have Okinawa, a dagger which allows them to thrust directly at the mainland. Japan has no purpose-built amphibious force ( I think it has about 6 xAPs and an LSD as well as some LSTs ) and can only use xAKs to move troops around. My air force is outnumbered and inexperienced compared to the Allies. My planes are also all worse. 99% of the time the situation would lend itself to trying to cobble through a defence to try to muddle through. Since I decided that that simply wouldn't work out as I wished I took the opportunity to attack and have mounted a 500 ship amphibious invasion of Okinawa in order to recapture it from the Allies. My initial landing occurred on 8th September 1945.

Preconceptions would have such an approach being impossible. Was it highly risky? Yes. Impossible? No. Successful? We'll see... The thing isn't just taking Okinawa, it is using that victory to crush the USN long-term.

My point is that you, undoubtedly, aren't seeing all the options and are thinking small. There's nothing wrong with that of course.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/8/2011 10:57:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, you're right. I am sure i don't see all the viable options...but not because i have preconceptions...just because i don't see them. My only experience so far has been only a defeat after another defeat and i'm sure this past is obscuring a correct and open view on the possibilities i have.

Ok, let's start it back again. Let's say i chose Karachi (it's too late to change it back again now). What should i do? Is that so wrong to base the defence of Karachi on Hydebaran (S.)?
The RN will have a big part in the defence of Karachi. The brit CVs are acting as a fleet in being (he knows he cannot move back his KB), while the surface ships will sacrifice themself in covering the arrival of the reinforcements once the LOD is activated. We'll coordinate these actions with the air forces based at Karachi (fighters and torpedo bombers) and with the subs which are acting as a shield for Karachi harbour.

I'm not understimating the supply issue. I have 100k supplies and 100k fuel at Bombay, while Karachi has 250k supplies and 100k fuel (the patch with the ability to stockpile has saved me!...litterally!!)

turns are flowin in again...soon the first update of may!

...and again...thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/8/2011 11:06:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Choosing Karachi is already a preconception... It assumes that you must pick one or the other AND that you should defend a city AND that you don't have the possibility of going on the offensive. It also limits you to considering a single theatre.

It may be that all of those assumptions are valid but you need to start planning without preconceptions.

Also people who think they have no preconceptions are generally just people who are unaware of their preconceptions.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 8:30:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Choosing Karachi is already a preconception... It assumes that you must pick one or the other AND that you should defend a city AND that you don't have the possibility of going on the offensive. It also limits you to considering a single theatre.

It may be that all of those assumptions are valid but you need to start planning without preconceptions.

Also people who think they have no preconceptions are generally just people who are unaware of their preconceptions.


After all the defeats i suffered so far it would difficult for me not to think about defending a single hex instead of going on the offensive Nemo...You're probably right but try to walk on my shoes for a moment...it's been hard to get here...it's been hard to try not to throw the towel when i realized that i was far from being ready for a Pbem with an opponent like Rader...i now need to stop him for once and boost my morale and the awereness in my means...one step behind another one...step by step...probably what you're suggesting ("think bigger") it's too demanding for a player of my level...it's like asking to a 10 years old boy to seduce a woman using the charm...maybe there are someone who dares and who have the capabilities but for sure that's not the average.

Anyway as you'll all see it's already too late to change.
War has gone on and we're now at the 4th of May. Japan has used in the last 4 days a lot of paras in order to conquest undefended bases and then rail in his mighty units. At Jalgaon (5 hexes east of Bombay) there are already 42 units!!!!
He also tried to get Surat with his paras but luckly i've placed there an Indian bde to keep the railroad to Karachi open as long as possible...however in less than 1 week the communications between Bombay and Karachi will be cut once for all.
At the same time the KB remains parked 12 hexes west of Karachi...probably he's waiting for the Scoodra invasion fleet to come in (the 5th Guards has been reported planning for Scoodra).
He didn't come for Addu Atoll as i thought...probably he considers it useless at this stage...he left me starve there (however i managed to get an AK full of supplies there ).
Positions at Jodpur and Hydebaran are being prepared.

In the pacific we've sunk a CL raider between PH and SF...the CA Camberra, after a prolonged fight, managed to prevail and to save the transports she was guarding...We're now slowly getting ready for the Marshalls...lots of ships are moving now. Think i'll need one more month before i can launch the first assault...


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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 2:26:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Few words about the plan for the Marshalls.
First of all i'll send with a fast transport invasion fleet a marine raider and a marine para unit to get a foothold on Baker. As far as i can tell (i need to recon more offcourse) baker is lightly garrisoned.
After the marines will come a base force and with it some 20 catalinas that will provide some air coverage and recon.

The plan has grown bigger in the last weeks (probably even psicologically pushed by those who believe i should do something more). Now we'd like to conquer Tarawa, Ocean, Naru and Mili with the first 2 waves. If the recon will confirm that the marshalls are all lightly garrisoned i think we may succeed. I need to get there en masse and fast, before he can finish India and send the Combined fleet back.
We have 7 regiments for this operation, along with 3 tanks units, 8 arty units and many aux LCUs (base forces, AAs, CD guns etc).
The navy will operate with what she has at hand at the moment. So to say 5 CVs, 7 BBs, lots of Cruisers and DDs, 20 subs plus some 250 transports.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 2:44:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		GreyJoy, I applaud your effort to organize a massive counteroffensive to take advantage of the enemy's preoocupation with India.

One question: does your opponent currently know where the American carriers are? If not, the possibility of their presence would be a deterrent to him in the Indian Ocean. Once he knows they are in the Marshalls, can he take advantage of that knowledge elsewhere? Will the knowledge he gains be of more use to him that what he might lose in the Marshalls?

If he already knows where the carriers are, or if he can't make sufficient use of the knowlege when they do appear, then revealing them may not hurt you or may be worth it. Just make sure you've evaluated it before you proceed - the Marshalls aren't worth losing India, or making the enemy's task in India alot easier.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 3:09:24 PM   
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GreyJoy, I applaud your effort to organize a massive counteroffensive to take advantage of the enemy's preoocupation with India.

One question: does your opponent currently know where the American carriers are? If not, the possibility of their presence would be a deterrent to him in the Indian Ocean. Once he knows they are in the Marshalls, can he take advantage of that knowledge elsewhere? Will the knowledge he gains be of more use to him that what he might lose in the Marshalls?

If he already knows where the carriers are, or if he can't make sufficient use of the knowlege when they do appear, then revealing them may not hurt you or may be worth it. Just make sure you've evaluated it before you proceed - the Marshalls aren't worth losing India, or making the enemy's task in India alot easier.

quote:

does your opponent currently know where the American carriers are? If not, the possibility of their presence would be a deterrent to him in the Indian Ocean. Once he knows they are in the Marshalls, can he take advantage of that knowledge elsewhere? Will the knowledge he gains be of more use to him that what he might lose in the Marshalls?


Thx CR!

He knew their presence in the pacific untill the end of March (he for sure has spotted with glens my CVs when i was moving them chasing down his raiders).
Now he doesn't know...my CVs could be sailing for CT right now... but...there's always a BUT

Without my CVs i cannot hope to sustain a major offensive operation...
...A fast and deep advance in the Marshalls can mean a pressure on his left flank...i'll bypass the whole Solomon and drive directly to Truk...i cannot lose more time here...it's important to start the whole operation while his assets are still so deeply involved in India...If the KB comes back everything in the pacific will be stopped till mid 1943...i have to move.
I don't think either that the absence of my US CVs in India will change much...he knows he has to keep the KB there to keep the RN at bay...at the moment the deterrent is the RN which has already proven to play the cat and mouse game as soon as the KB moves back.

I'll stick for the Marshalls CR...risky or not the americans have to do something to help their cousins opening a second front...and the time is now...by the end of June 42...

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 6:46:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		GreyJoy- I am continuing to read your AAR, and I am really enjoying like I mentioned. Do not under estimate yourself, and you do have some very experienced players helpnig you out (NOT ME, I know nothing compared to them. I enjoy sub warfare, logistics, and raiding..I merchandise grain for a living...logistics, logistics, logistics....)

CR is onto something with your carriers. ...I saw an AAR about sending US CVs raiding the Jap home islands...I think QBalls maybe? He sank maybe 8-12 ships, nothing big, not a lot of victory points, or anything crazy like that. It kept his opponent on his toes, had NO idea where his carriers were at until they showed face, and it drew his attention away from other theaters (Maybe India in your case...doubt that much though). It was over by USSR up by Sapparro(s). He mentioned he plays that Empire a lot and knew of those shipping lanes.....

I guess what I am saying is. Relax, take everyones advice on India (including your own) and do not send back any turns until you feel you have THE plan. Then look at your Marshalls campaign, and listen to CR about not showing your CVs where you probably don't need them IMHO. Consider a raid, because you know where KB is. Consider hitting the HI like I suggested...can be done and has been. I would raid first, then invade Marshalls, not visa versa.

Also, you mentioned Diego Garcia would be tough even impossible to take back...maybe not, can't remember your exact words. To take it back, just use off map movement with your invasion force, a little air cover maybe, and blitz in from off map and take it. It is right there, and tough for him to combat if you ask me...(this is just a minor thing I noticed, don't read too much into this idea at present in your game. Consider it when you have secured India)

You seemed to jump into the game and learn on the go, which is great. I have a great deal of respect for that. I can also tell that you are learning a lot as you go.

Like I mentioned, you have numerous followers who are more than willing to share proven advice with you and strategies. Put those to good use, enjoy yourself, and watch the plans unfold before your eyes.

I am not saying your strategies are bad and theirs are the best. I have no idea which plan is the best. To be honest I would have done some of the things you are doing or are planning.

For what it is worth, I am learning from your AAR and the advice given to you in it.

Keep up the good work and have fun. That is the main thing.

ALSO--- the Allies can take a butt kickin' and recover the majority of the time it looks like from reading the majority of posts on this website...so don't throw in the towel! (Doesn't sound like you are going to)

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 6:48:19 PM   
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Anyway as you'll all see it's already too late to change.


I seriously doubt that.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 7:04:19 PM   
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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 7:35:02 PM   
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Anyway as you'll all see it's already too late to change.


I seriously doubt that.


Thx everyone...i'll reply later...now just a screenshot for Nemo...look at here...he has cut India in two within 6 days...para-drops, transfer fighters, rail everything in...in 2 turns he had managed to move towards Bombay something like 68 units...

more bad news to come with the next combat report...






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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 7:39:26 PM   
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Also, quit doing turns, the more you do until you come up with a workable plan the deeper in the s**t you'll be

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 7:46:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have just discovered and read the whole of this AAR. Kudos to GreyJoy for the details and keeping going.

However am I the only one to think that this sort of conquest has departed from any of the realms of reality? Calcutta to Bhopal is 1356 kms - so if that's done in 6 days thats an advance of 200 kms a day. The total is greater than that between Cherbourg and Berlin.

There is something very wrong with this surely?

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 7:53:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Paras and no blocking forces on the rail lines...

If you take two points 1000km apart on the rail lines and there are NO enemy troops blocking the line at all then you can rail to places in no time... It isn't entirely realistic BUT this is why players need to have small Bn-sized forces blocking the main rail lines. I know I always do in India, it slows the enemy down hugely.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 7:56:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the situation at the 6th of May 1942.

Bombay is now almost isolated as you can see from the screenshot.

Attu atoll has been nuked again by a bombardment TF and now we've spotted a BB TF approaching Scoodra...i bet Rader won't do again the same mistake in sending an invasion force without a previous bombardment preparation.

The KB has moved closer to Karachi...sinking 5 transports that were leaving the harbour (direction Aden)and badly damaging a DD of the escort.

We're trying to plan the first bombing raid of this campaign...let's see if i can do some harm to Rader's AFs...

My subs near Karachi are getting slaughtered by the Kates and Vals on naval search...however they'll try to maintain their position as a shield for Karachi harbour...if the KB wanna come closer it will have to face them!

The supply situation in the north of India remains pretty stable...i count more than 300k supplies north of Bombay that remain in allied hands

The RN will try to interdict the BBs approaching Scoodra...with a bit of luck we could make those BB eat a couple of fishes for dinner

Near Palmyra we've sunk another AMC raider...don't understand why Rader keeps on sending his ships on these suicide missions...i learnt the trick and now i always escort my convoys...

More to follow...


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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 8:08:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was tempted to ask for another help and sendind the turn to Nemo...however i then stopped and thought about it and i really feel i've already had too much help comparing to my opponent...i'm playing with a lot of veterans here who are giving priceless suggestions while Rader is playin all alone...
So thanks - and i really mean it! - but i decline this time. Thank you mate!

Roger, yes, it's a bit unreal but that's the game engine we have...it's part of the system and we do not have any HR preventing that so...

I've pull out everything because my "blocking forces" were being destroyed by his bombers and bypassed by his tanks...i really could not effort to lose more LCUs...well...maybe i could have done it in a better way now that i see your point...

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 8:14:14 PM   
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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 8:25:35 PM   
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Paras and no blocking forces on the rail lines...

If you take two points 1000km apart on the rail lines and there are NO enemy troops blocking the line at all then you can rail to places in no time... It isn't entirely realistic BUT this is why players need to have small Bn-sized forces blocking the main rail lines. I know I always do in India, it slows the enemy down hugely.


Yes and that's why I always put stuff in every base hex i can, I love the 'it isn't entirely realistic' ......... its plain crazy IMHO. The logistics and comms needed to stage this even without any opposition..... Its the clearest example I have come across of the Blitzkreig in the Pacific.

As for the rail movement.......each location just happens to have the rolling stock to load at will every japanese combatant and there are never any delays? I mean i have seen pictures of the normal loading of Indian railways, but that's assuming they all have the engines, carriages, low loaders and crews to run them.......

Ok if your love is for the game and its mechanics, but if what you want is something that approaches a simulation of the actuality.

Ok rant over.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 8:45:56 PM   
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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 8:46:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Well, for what it's worth, I am vowing to adopt GreyJoy's name for that strategically vital island in the Arabia Sea....Scoodra! No more referring to it as Socatra in my games - it's Scoodra in honor of GreyJoy.


LOL...i just realized i was mispelling it :-)))))

Thank you CR...very much appreaciated :-)

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 8:53:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		What i'm really missing for my "Marshalls" adventure is a decent land based air force. i'm tryin to collect every single group able to fly which won't be called back to europe for the next 6 months but that's pretty tough.

The sign-in reports keep on saying many more units are moving by ship to Calcutta...seems that he's bringing everything for this Indian adventure...

Jeffk...about a raid...well...i wanna get a foothold and estabilish a strong position in the Marshalls asap...i'd be really pissed if i'd get a CV out of order for a lucky sub while raiding some useless AKs in the Japan sea. I do see however that this will catch Rader's attention...but i'd like to obtain a total surprise and so i'll try not to unfold my cards till the very last moment...hoping this will be enough...

Back to India now...i forgot to say that on the 4th of May a jap sub tried to violate Karachi harbour...but hit a mine and probably sunk...i've used all the mines i could at Karachi and this is the signal i have not wasted them

However...the next weeks will be really really painfull...

Thanks everyone for the great support here...without you my morale would be really really lower than what it is right now

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 9:10:43 PM   
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I guess my main point would be do not show face with your carriers if you do not need to. No?

If the Marshalls are heavily defended and cannot be taken without proper air power, then by all means use them I guess...

Raid- while those AKs you sink may not hurt, it is just hitting him where he least expects it and keeps him on his toes....Dootlittle Raid...?? some damage far as I know, yes...scared the bajesus out of Japan, knowing we were capable of striking them...

He knows he is doing with you as he pleases across the Pacific, show him you mean business, and hit him in the mouth a couple of times....taking his planes, men, and or ships with you...

As always. Keep it up. Scooodra made my day btw. That and feeding cattle at 530...awww

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/9/2011 11:03:31 PM   
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Finally a little and, i know useless, payback. It's not enough, i know...but it feels good to finally being able to hurt him a bit...
Two days with a double raid of my 4Es...still don't have the turn yet but from what i can see from the combat report we've done some damage...

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Morning Air attack on Indore , at 43,22

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 128 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 40



Allied aircraft
     B-17E Fortress x 40
     LB-30 Liberator x 3


Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
     B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged



Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2


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Morning Air attack on Indore , at 43,22

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 6



Allied aircraft
     B-17E Fortress x 9


Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
     A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
     B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
     4 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Runway hits 2


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Morning Air attack on Indore , at 43,22

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 78 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 32



Allied aircraft
     B-17E Fortress x 26
     LB-30 Liberator x 2


Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged
     A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
     B-17E Fortress: 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
     29 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled



Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 27

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Morning Air attack on Indore , at 43,22

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 154 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 47 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M2 Zero x 16



Allied aircraft
     B-17E Fortress x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M2 Zero: 3 damaged
     A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
     B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged



Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4



Chengtu is slowly falling under the pressure of the invader who brought in many units...he got two runs with 1-1 odds...with those bombers sucking up my supplies i'm pretty sure the base will fall the next turn...however i'm amazed it has lasted so long...

CM Rigel has been torpedoed trying to get to Karachi...he has flooded the waters around Karachi with subs...where the KB doesn't dare to go the jap subs make the dirty job...and they do it well...

As soon as i got the turn i'll share some more results...

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 12:01:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Destroyed 14 zeros on the ground and more 4 in the air...but lost 4 B17s in the process and 1 pilot....mmmm....don't think it was worth the exchange
However the 4Es prooved to be of some use...i now have to understand how to use them at best!

Seems that he's going for Bombay before anything else...and Scoodra for sure...tomorrow we'll have the first bombardments and then i'm pretty sure we'll have the invasion...the defenders of Scoodra will fight till the last man...no retreat admitted...no retreat possible.

He's moving his troops towards Bombay right now using the railroads...soon the siege will begin

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 7:01:14 AM   
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A quiet turn. The invasion of Scoodra didn't come. my CVs are still on route...sweating...the KB is still based near Karachi...nothing much to report...oh yes, Chengtu held for another turn

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 8:21:22 AM   
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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 9:31:11 AM   
GreyJoy


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Status: offline 		Ok, it's again time to ask for your help.
I need to plan the invasion TFs that will partecipate at the Marshalls operation.
Consider i only have xAPs, xAKs and xAKLs for this operation

What is the best way to form an amph TF at this stage of the war? I was thinking about doing what Rader has done so far...placing BBs, CAs and DDs in the invasion TFs and use the max possible number of transport ships...however i still don't know how many units is correct to unload on an atoll...a division (3 rgts) is too much? I only have 1 Corp HQ at hand so i'd like to land on Tarawa with 3 RGTs, 1 FA arty unit, 1 tank unit and 1 corp HQ for the first wave...but i fear to be struck by the overstacking limitations...

Any tips?

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 11:20:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok, it's again time to ask for your help.
I need to plan the invasion TFs that will partecipate at the Marshalls operation.
Consider i only have xAPs, xAKs and xAKLs for this operation

What is the best way to form an amph TF at this stage of the war? I was thinking about doing what Rader has done so far...placing BBs, CAs and DDs in the invasion TFs and use the max possible number of transport ships...however i still don't know how many units is correct to unload on an atoll...a division (3 rgts) is too much? I only have 1 Corp HQ at hand so i'd like to land on Tarawa with 3 RGTs, 1 FA arty unit, 1 tank unit and 1 corp HQ for the first wave...but i fear to be struck by the overstacking limitations...

Any tips?


Is there a little more information available ?
- What do you want to invade. (how many enemies on them)
- What have you prepared for the targets. (which troops)
- How many BBs/CAs/xAPs/xAKs available.
- Do you have good intel in the islands ?
- Where do you plan to load your TFs.
- How is the layout of your bases close to the enemy. (4E there, 2E there ? )

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 11:53:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Beppi. Will be a blinded operation, in order to achieve total surprise. I suppose the targets are lightly defended for 2 reasons: first he has committed too many troops to have plenty of them in The Marshalls; second none of those islands have been built uo so far so very few engeneers must be present.
No, i won't have any 4 or 2Es in the nearby...i'll have to rely only on my CVs. I'll bring with me some 4 fighters, 4 catalinas, 4 dive bombers and 4 2Es groups but they won't be able to operate untill i'll have built up the target bases.
8 BBs, some 20 CA/CLs, some 100 xAPs and 150 xAKs.
I'll have available 5 marine rgts, 3 US RGTs, 4 Eng regiments, 3 tank units and plenty of AA, FA, Seabees etc...

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