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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 6:30:32 PM   
GreyJoy


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Something very strange happened.
At Surat only 5 units are reported!!!! What is going on?!? Ordered immediately a specific recon over the enemy base with my recon-mitchells based at Hyderabad. If the intel will be confirmed it means Rader is ready to cross the LOD and is massing his units somewhere...have to know where!
The lack of a decent recon air force is really killing me...

Manila, after 7 months of siege, is ready to capitulate. 3500 japanese AVs managed to obtain two consecutive 1-1 odds ...forts down to zero and with no supplies since March and with daily bombing missions by 80 japanese bombers my units are really exhausted...

Lost the first US sub today due to air ASW near Ponape. Seems like Rader has trained during these months his Helens in this role cause at the first attempt he managed to sink the Cuttlefish and badly damage the Pike...both of them in deep waters and at 3 hexes away from Ponape...

At the same time the 64th Naval Garrison conquered back Makin and Abenama defended by what remained of the 3rd Raider Bn...the operation now can be concluded and tagged as a disaster.


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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 6:32:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the KB isn't around, he isn't about to cross the LOD. He's pulling back.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 6:40:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		The other important news is that at Iwo is reported a mortar unit...we all know what it means...Iwo has been strongly fortified (if there's an ary unit there, that means also that decent infantry units are there...)

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 6:42:02 PM   
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If the KB isn't around, he isn't about to cross the LOD. He's pulling back.


Well, i have not any clue about where the KB is...so i wait before coming to any conclusion. Let's do some good recon and then we'll see...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 12:11:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		What if he's pulling back!? Where could he move that might 10.000 AVs Army? Soon the 3500 AVs that are sieging Manila will be free...that means almost 14.000 AVs...he could really smash everything with that force...Oz...Nz...Hawaii...Lord, isn't my agony over yet?
At this stage i really hope he stays in India and tries for Karachi...at least i know the theatre there...i've studied it...i know the "rithms"...what should i do if he comes for Oz?
have to make new plans...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 12:51:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		He took the allies to the brink and now you have a long way back. He's already thinking about 1944 and 1945. Some of us may not agree with his decision not to cross the LOD, but once you make that decision, and in the position he's in, it's already time to start digging in while he harvests the resources.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 1:00:15 AM   
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He took the allies to the brink and now you have a long way back. He's already thinking about 1944 and 1945. Some of us may not agree with his decision not to cross the LOD, but once you make that decision, and in the position he's in, it's already time to start digging in while he harvests the resources.



AFAIK in scenario 2 the Japs have the resources and assets to be able to keep on advancing well till at least the end of 1942. Considering what he has gained till now i don't think it would be that wise of him to stop and dig in now. I'm there ready to be punished in India and he stops??
Don't get me wrong...i'll light a candle to Holy Mary if he stops now but, for what i've seen from Rader till now, he's not going to stop. If he really decides not to invest Karachi, i'm pretty sure he has something else in mind for the upcoming future.

Anyway it's probably too early to tell...as soon as the turn comes we'll see what he really has at Surat (there's a chance that the yesterday recon went fubar)...

Can't wait

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 1:21:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		But if he isn't going to get an auto victory on points, would it be a good idea to take far flung bases that he can't defend in the long run? Is this the tipping point?

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 4:19:02 AM   
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The only thing i know is that i never had so much fun and involvement with a game so far...not even with IL2 online... really amazing!



GreyJoy, I can't really comment on your game, but you just nailed the reason most of us play! I'm thrilled when I read that someone else get's as much enjoyment from this fantastic game as I do, no matter what is actually happening in the game.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 9:35:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rader could have taken Karachi.  He had you by the throat and only had to squeeze one last time, but he let up.  I'm sure he had his reasons, but he made the strategic blunder of the game.

Moving a 7,000-AV army is a huge undertaking.  It will take rader a long time.  The odds of him turning that army losoe on Oz or Hawaii is pretty small, because he'll have to assume you've had more than enough time to garrison them strongly, even moreso by the time he could transport his India army that far.

He might go for something smaller like New Zealand, or he might give Russia a shot, or he may go into his defensive posture.

He's going to have some trouble in India.  He'll have your 6,000-AV army nipping at his heals.  So keep careful tabs on the situation and begin moving out as soon as you've verified that he's not coming.  Orchestrating a massive retreat in India is tricky - it will be hard for him to put up any defense at all without getting those units isolated.  So he either has to defend and risk losing manpower, or pull everything back and see you reclaim India in two or three months.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 9:51:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dekwik

But if he isn't going to get an auto victory on points, would it be a good idea to take far flung bases that he can't defend in the long run? Is this the tipping point?


I don't think Rader is going for an autovictory campaign. Since the beginning he told me that his aim was to see what a determined japanese players is able to get with scenario 2...In the other game he has he went for USSR...here he took the whole China and nearly all of India...i'm really not so sure it's over yet.

Oz is still very weak both in terms of troops and especially in terms of planes. The only thing that i'm sure about is that Oz won't have any problem related with supplies...Only in Sydney there are more than a million supplies now

I do think he would be crazy to let India live at this point...He's so close to the final target that i really don't see any reason for him to let me off the hook

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 11:59:19 AM   
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Rader could have taken Karachi.  He had you by the throat and only had to squeeze one last time, but he let up.  I'm sure he had his reasons, but he made the strategic blunder of the game.

Moving a 7,000-AV army is a huge undertaking.  It will take rader a long time.  The odds of him turning that army losoe on Oz or Hawaii is pretty small, because he'll have to assume you've had more than enough time to garrison them strongly, even moreso by the time he could transport his India army that far.

He might go for something smaller like New Zealand, or he might give Russia a shot, or he may go into his defensive posture.

He's going to have some trouble in India.  He'll have your 6,000-AV army nipping at his heals.  So keep careful tabs on the situation and begin moving out as soon as you've verified that he's not coming.  Orchestrating a massive retreat in India is tricky - it will be hard for him to put up any defense at all without getting those units isolated.  So he either has to defend and risk losing manpower, or pull everything back and see you reclaim India in two or three months.


CR i don't think Rader will pull back. Not now at least. I still think he has the chance of annihilate my air force and pass the rubicon (LOD) and get to karachi.
Won't be easy, that's for sure. i'll fight till the very last man and i'll devote everything to this task....but he outnumbers me 2-1 in everything.
If my calculations are correct he might have 11,000 AVs in India plus those 3500 that soon will be freed for other operations after the fall of Manila (that will occur within a week at max). He has 2000 a/c against my 500 but, above all, he has pools that outnumber mines 10-1...
Then he has huge artillery stocks and his LCUs are all very experienced, while mines, at best, are in their 50s.
I don't know how is his supply situation but with all the industry centers conquered in India i bet he can easily feed his armies.
Then he has the KB which remains the real variable. if he commits her...well, there's nothing i can do to save India from its fate.

My Indian army now has 5500 AVs. The next Brit Bde will arrive within 10 days and will complete the 2nd UK division. Don't think it's enough to stop him...but probably it's enough to make his advance not exactly a walk in the park.

As always however i think everything will be decided in the air. If we manage to hold the line long enough with my fighters...maybe...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 12:00:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

The only thing i know is that i never had so much fun and involvement with a game so far...not even with IL2 online... really amazing!



GreyJoy, I can't really comment on your game, but you just nailed the reason most of us play! I'm thrilled when I read that someone else get's as much enjoyment from this fantastic game as I do, no matter what is actually happening in the game.


yes, it's a great game and above all it's a game that makes you think...and you really have the feeling that you're not JUST playin a game...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 12:20:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		We've been through most of this before, but one more time...it would be ridiculous for rader to cross the LOD without the KB present to impose an absolute blockade on Karachi. Were he to do so, he'd suddenly unleash a much larger Allied force into the equation, which would negate his Assault Value advantage. He'd be crazy to do it.

But he's also crazy to let you have two or three months to reinforce, rest and re-supply. The more time that passes, the more he's going to assume India has grown to strong. That fact that you've bled him in the air will add to that perception.

That's why I don't think he's coming at this late date.

You're wise to continue gathering and collecting date to determine his intentions and capabiltiies as soon as possible. It's certainly too soon to go prancing about on the offensive. But while continuing to plan for an enemy assault, you need to start thinking about how you can go on the offensive most effectively when the time comes. Will you rely solely on a land campaign? Will you try to land behind his lines? Do you need your carriers? Do you have transports?

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 1:18:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you still keeping ships that need to be withdrawn?? That drain on your PP is going to hurt you from freeing up Restricted LCUs in the USA getting into the battle.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 1:22:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well CR, the answer is simple: with Scoodra, Diego and Colombo strongly in his hands (intel tells me he has air HQs in all these places and that means betties end zeros) i cannot rely, at least till 1943 on anything else than Aden reinforcements.
At Aden i have a decent RN fleet (2 BBs, lots of CLs, 3 CAs and DDs, plus 2 CVs and 1 CVLs) but most of these need to get back to ETO so my naval force will be somehow weaker. I have some good transports however. The main problem is that i need to start back to gain PPs...it's been nearly 80 days now since i have 0 PPs to use...as soon as Rader shows he has no more intentions for Karachi i'll need to send back half of my indian fighter force so any possible offensive will have to wait untill i'm able to beark the bloackade and send something from CT to India... Anyway a strictly land campaign is possible. He has to maintain a strong air force at Surat if he wants to safely let his troops get back...but, sooner or later, he'll have to draw some of those AA units...My 4Es could easily burn everything that is not concentrated under the Surat Umbrella...so to say Bombay, Indore, and all those other bases...thus burning his supplies and making his comm lines unsafe.
In this optic the first step will be to start building back Jodpur (now at level 4 AF) to level 9 and so closing the distances between our fronts.

The other idea is to remain on the defensive in the pacific and move my 6 US CVs to CT with an invasion fleet. Then re-conquest Scoodra and so re-open the communications between India and the US.
But to do that i need to pin him down somewhere in the pacific. After your success at Pramushiro Jiima I'm really starting to think about something in the Kuriles...would be the perfect decoy operation in order to force him to move assets east while i attack on the west...

However it's too early to tell now...let's remain focus with the first goal which is the survival of India!

Thanks CR!

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 1:24:34 PM   
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Are you still keeping ships that need to be withdrawn?? That drain on your PP is going to hurt you from freeing up Restricted LCUs in the USA getting into the battle.


Yes, but it does not matter now cause i already have more than 100 pps daily lost for the fighter groups i'm keeping with me in India...those brit DDs and CLs that should be sent back are important too for escorting my convoys from Aden to Karachi...at the moment i'm losing 176 PPs daily in the process

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 6:38:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		It IS important and you should seek to minimise it. Your view is far too short-range in this matter.

Out of interest, previously you mentioned reading AARs to learn lessons. You've mentioned reading Canoerebel's AAR. Which other ones have you read and benefited from? I'd be curious as to what you've been reading to learn about strategies in-game.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/28/2011 8:54:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed. Stop the PP bleeding and start reducing the debt. You will need those PPs to advance.

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Enigma Solved - 5/29/2011 12:47:12 AM   
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He's not pulling back: the KB is in the arabian sea!!!!!

More news to follow tomorrow...too tired now...May God help India

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RE: Enigma Solved - 5/29/2011 12:49:06 AM   
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RE: Enigma Solved - 5/29/2011 12:52:41 AM   
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Interesting..


I've hoped in a less interesting game

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RE: Enigma Solved - 5/29/2011 4:14:11 AM   
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Enigma Solved.
He's not pulling back: the KB is in the arabian sea!!!!!

More news to follow tomorrow...too tired now...May God help India


Then it is time to get your amphibious assaults in motion. You can make a deep penetration invasion now if you want.

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RE: Enigma Solved - 5/29/2011 9:03:57 AM   
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As you can see from the image it remains a doubt...it's the KB or the mini-KB? Only CVEs are reported and from the number of planes reported it could be the latter. But i think i'll have to wait untill next turn to be sure when my catalinas will surely give me a better answer.

At the same time the Intel tells me about a regiment and a mortar unit moving to Iwo Jima... That gives me the assurance that Iwo has been heavily fortified in the last month...

The Mariannas are for sure fortified and garrisoned. Saipan has been reported having 25.000 men and Tinian 18000...

Rader has been very smart in getting his back covered before moving to India...

The other problem is that i'm still re-organizing my units and ships after the aborted Marshalls operation and so i'll need some time before i'll be able to mount another huge amph operation again (wasted lots of fuel during the last one).

However i'm not that sure that that one is the real KB...wanna first know if there's only the mini KB there or the full Death Star.

Anyway, with Iwo and the Mariannas heavily fortified what remains? The Marshalls again...or the Kuriles...or the Solomons...or what about PM?




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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/29/2011 9:18:58 AM   
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It IS important and you should seek to minimise it. Your view is far too short-range in this matter.

Out of interest, previously you mentioned reading AARs to learn lessons. You've mentioned reading Canoerebel's AAR. Which other ones have you read and benefited from? I'd be curious as to what you've been reading to learn about strategies in-game.


I know Nemo... don't think that i'm undervaluating the importance of the PPs...but with India still on the edge between life and death i cannot really let a single fighter go back to ETO...not now. I'll probably send back a couple of CLs and destroyer but they could be usefull nontheless in the upcoming siege of Karachi. I'm keeping two strong TFs composed of 4 CLs and 10 DDs at Karachi, in order to be ready to interdict any attempt of his navy to park too close to my capital. At the same time the presence of a CV-BB TF at Aden will surely keep him mindly busy in trying not to overexpose there... if i send back too many assets now it could be devastating... and also, as long as my daily PP penalty remains below the 50 points it doesn't really matter...i'll be always at 0.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/29/2011 9:51:15 AM   
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It IS important and you should seek to minimise it. Your view is far too short-range in this matter.

Out of interest, previously you mentioned reading AARs to learn lessons. You've mentioned reading Canoerebel's AAR. Which other ones have you read and benefited from? I'd be curious as to what you've been reading to learn about strategies in-game.


I've read Q-Ball and CRs AARs, Rader's AAR about Russia and his opponent's one, then i read Smeulder's AAR and the whole AndyMac-PzB's AARs (which really scared me in reading how Japan can offend the allies even in late 43-44!!)


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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/29/2011 5:30:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

It IS important and you should seek to minimise it. Your view is far too short-range in this matter.

Out of interest, previously you mentioned reading AARs to learn lessons. You've mentioned reading Canoerebel's AAR. Which other ones have you read and benefited from? I'd be curious as to what you've been reading to learn about strategies in-game.


I know Nemo... don't think that i'm undervaluating the importance of the PPs...but with India still on the edge between life and death i cannot really let a single fighter go back to ETO...not now. I'll probably send back a couple of CLs and destroyer but they could be usefull nontheless in the upcoming siege of Karachi. I'm keeping two strong TFs composed of 4 CLs and 10 DDs at Karachi, in order to be ready to interdict any attempt of his navy to park too close to my capital. At the same time the presence of a CV-BB TF at Aden will surely keep him mindly busy in trying not to overexpose there... if i send back too many assets now it could be devastating... and also, as long as my daily PP penalty remains below the 50 points it doesn't really matter...i'll be always at 0.


The British, et al fighters and pilots don't go back, only the squadrons.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/29/2011 10:35:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Going off the numbers of a/c reported in that sighting, it is the KB AND the mini-KB. If you have any plans for cenpac best get them in motion now.........

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/29/2011 10:52:35 PM   
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Ok, let's stay calm. Don't overreact GJ...don't be nervous nor scared. You've already faced the KB there...don't worry...



Yes, confirmed, it's the KB. She moved 10 hexes west of Karachi along with some SCTF...she's now ready to strike.
At Surat Rader moved back 110 units, plus those 50 that are at Bhagwhatever...well...think he has enough to start to dance!
And now Manila has fallen...58.000 POWs are already marching towards captivity and 3500 jap AVs are free to roam anywhere...

But i have to remain calm. Time is on my side, no matter what. India has to fight alone and she's ready. The 5th Bde arrived safely at Karachi just in time...
nearly 5900 AVs are now ready in place...let's see how we can give him some headhaces!

In Centpac we are still not ready. My units are still moving and have to gather more fuel and supplies. However India won't submit anytime soon. KB will have to stay there for some time hopefully.

In Nopac we conquered an empty Amichitka Island...our paras landed there and put up the american flag again. We're slowly gaining terrain here...

Think we'll try Iwo, despite the recent intel we got...there should be not more than 2 regiments there...i have more than 2000 AVs ready at hands at PH...


witpqs what you mean exactly? that if i withdraw the xxx squadron his pilots and planes will remain in the brit pool??

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/29/2011 10:57:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you still planning to disperse your forces in India operationally such that Rader's tank-heavy OMG groups can dislocate your defensive lines and push through into your operative depth, cutting your rail-based LOCs and allowing your forces to be defeated piecemeal?

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