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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/24/2011 9:41:08 AM   
janh

 

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Status: offline 		Looks actually good over Burma.  Given your low pilot losses, and the rather low fraction of modern airframes among your losses, my gut feel says Andy is actually making a mistake here.  He should wait a few more months until he can put bigger numbers of the 47's and 51's up and pursue a more coordinated effort of daily sweeps combined with day and night bombings. 
How are CENTPAC and SOPAC doing?  Any supicious buildups around New Guinea or the Solomons?  Do you still have a good recon of Pearl?

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/24/2011 6:02:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		True Janh, I don't feel stressed about losses or the situation; just the lack of cohesion in the game at times.
No more attacks today, Andy forgot that it's possible to rail out damaged aircraft.

In the future I will only have 0-1 reserve ac for frontline units; always these that are destroyed on the ground during 4E nuke attacks.
Imagine 15x4 reserve ac = 60, half of what we lost.

In due time Allies will rule the skies, but we will delay - delay - delay and fight over friendly turf.
Quiet in CentPac and SoPac; without naval supremacy I don't worry about these theatres until end 1st Quarter 44.

Carrier Shinano is ready for battle; we now field a mighty fleet of carriers with over 1000 elite pilots.
Will be 2 more months until further reinforcements arrive; still waiting for 1-2 CVs and 3-4 CVLs (producing and converting).
- In the next few days the air units from the CV Hiyo and 3 CVLs lost in Cent Pac will reform in Home Islands.
They will train as replacement pilots for KB. If - when KB is lost they will convert to George - Jacks.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 21, 43

Surface Combat

Indecisive attack; defending escorts launched lots of torps and drove the cruisers away.
Too bad, had hoped to shoot up a few ships.

Andy is using his LBA to bomb Ompa Lompa (or whatever its called) so I could walk in and out as I saw fit

Night Time Surface Combat, near Nuku Hiva at 191,167, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yura
CL Tenryu

Allied Ships
DE Arrow
DE Bebas
DD Crane
DD Kilty
DD Humphreys, Shell hits 1
AM Vigilance
APA Cambria
SC PC-786
SC PC-1085
xAK Sea Barb
xAK Nisqually
xAK Singu
xAK Clan Macfadyen

Reduced sighting due to 28% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 28% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 27,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 27,000 yards
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
Miyoshi, Teruhiko crosses the 'T'
DD Humphreys engages CL Yura at 6,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Kilty at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Humphreys at 8,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Kilty at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Humphreys at 5,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Kilty at 5,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Crane at 5,000 yards
CL Yura engages DE Arrow at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages DD Kilty at 2,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Kilty at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CL Yura engages DD Humphreys at 3,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...
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Air Combat

A few examples of today's air strikes; 22 enemy ac lost (10 flak, 12 ops) to only 1 Jap ac (ops).
Expensive to strafe AA units.

Morning Air attack on Yokosuka 6th SNLF, at 192,169 (Hiva Oa)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 8
SBD-5 Dauntless x 26


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x SBD-5 Dauntless bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 60,44 , near Shwebo
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 165 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IId Trop x 15
Hurricane FR.IIb x 11
Lysander II x 12
A-20A Havoc x 6
A-20G Havoc x 16
B-25C Mitchell x 20

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IId Trop: 8 damaged
Hurricane IId Trop: 1 destroyed by flak
Hurricane FR.IIb: 7 damaged
Hurricane FR.IIb: 1 destroyed by flak
A-20A Havoc: 2 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 41st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
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Indecisive engagement





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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/25/2011 9:39:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, that fight over Rangoon seems similar to situation, when you massacred Allied CVs near Australia. Almost NONE of aircraft is airborne, at the beginning. What was exact CAP settings? I was always wondering about Andys settings then.
It seems planes joined combat, but far too late to catch attackers.

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Allied aircraft
Hurricane FR.IIb x 39

I thought they are recon planes?
Anyway, good luck trying shot armored planes, with .303

Remember, that you have rough production equality, until March.
Also, 10 FlaK loses is pretty good result. What is the AA guns compositions in your units?

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/26/2011 5:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flak losses and dead pilots to ground strafing seems a bit extravagant on Andy's part, Don't fret over the game mechanics too much as we all know S$%^t happens in war and in game occasionally.

FYI , in WOT i'm Harlequininnine .. ok its a silly name ( a Harlequin with a cure for malaria .. and from your stats Pzb i have a ways to go and catch you up before we even think about having a go together. )

Carry on the good job !

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/26/2011 6:06:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just popping in to say I'm still reading intently. Keep up the good work and don't get discouraged. Very hard to stop the enemy air/ground steamroller in Burma but remember you've done it once before and now you have much better planes than last time. I think the key at the moment is coming up with a ground plan as fighting in the clear terrain near Mandalay won't work. Are you planning to counterattack as suggested by other posters?

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/28/2011 2:13:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I noticed that Inq; CAP settings were 30-40 and later 50-60%. Seems like air combat just evaporated - and that hurt us as the bomber just sailed through,
just like our KB bombers sailed through to kill the enemy fleets. Feels very strange, ghost game attimes.

Andy used some Wildcats in Burma, they died in droves....

Thx Rob, I know that to be true and Andy is really driving his bomber guys hard to punish our LCU in northern Burma.
Added you to my contact list in WoT! If you have an SPG it doesn't matter much what level!

I know Cribtop, but there isn't much I can do in northern Burma at the moment. Andy is using a small army supported by 600 aircraft that pounds our positions to dust.
Any counterattack would have to go through that grinder first - but I do have initiated some countermeasures. As the enemy army moved into the open hex north of Schwebo I'm marching an army division to
move into the jungle hex to the rear that we just got routed from. That should stress Andy a bit.

I've posted a sit map for the events of the last few days instead of all the combat reports.
Looks like an enemy trust towards Ramree Island and our flank, another reason I can't committ to heavily in the northern part of the basin.
2 more division unloading at Rangoon to meet these new threats; no choice but to reinforce.

Strategic Map: Burma




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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 2:25:03 AM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Been pondering over the next turn tonight and I need a discussion on how to best handle the situation in Burma!

Enemy ground troops are slowly moving to cut of our troops norths of Schwebo while more troops are moving south towards Ramree Island region.
- While enemy air attacks only cause major damage in open hexes they do have the capability of reducing supply levels for even highly entrenched units, thus making them vulnerable to attack.
Mounting counterattacks with ground troops is kinda hopeless as long as we don't have air supremacy in the region and this proves difficult as we need to keep most of our fighters in the Rangoon
area to ensure local air superiority there.

Our last attack at the enemy 4E base hit the enemy base hard but _all_ enemy bombers had taken off to bomb Jap bases.
Andy is using Akyab as a hub for his coastal drive and is desperately feeding it with almost suicidal convoys and constant air lift of supplies.

We now need to make a plan for how to handle this situation!
We have 12-13 divisions worth of troops in Burma, currently 40% are on the frontlines so we have reserves but need to take action to stabilize the situation.

1. Is the Burma basin still defendable - if so, how?
2. How should we handle Ramree Island and enemy trust here?
3. How should we deploy our airforce to reduce enemy air attacks on our frontline LCUs?

We do have one ace that can be used with effect; The Japanese Fleet, including KB.
Using bombardments and 1000 ac as a sledge hammer we can efficiently blunt enemy offensives in Ramree area, re-occupy the island and hit enemy LCU formations if they
move into the open. This can be achieved by positioning fleet south of Rangoon and in cover of LBA.

Is the situation critical - and important enough - in Burma to justify the use of our most valuable asset?

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 2:32:32 AM   
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Probably not IMO. It's all about resources and oil now for the Jap. Burma has few. You should defend wisely and efficiently but expect to be dislodged at some point. It's not a great loss. Anything he puts in this theatre is unavailable for use in far more profitable areas.



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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 2:43:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		My two cents:

Option 1 - Use KB and 1 Division to recapture Ramree Island and the coastal zone. KB will also be used to bomb the enemy 4E bases continuously. Rail and fly in boatloads of troops and supply to Scwebo and use the whole IJAAF to defend it from myriad bases in the basin. Counterattack into the woods and hold there.

Option 2 - Still use 1 Division to retake Ramree (amphib supported by KB or march it in via wooded hexes - your choice). IJA falls back to a line Toungoo - Prome.

Option 3 - Given massive naval superiority, use KB and Combined Fleet to hook him. Move like you are preparing for Option 2 while you execute an amphibious & paratrooper assault on his bases in the Assam region of India. Goal is to seize his 4E and supply bases and leave his whole army in Burma cut off and FUBAR.

Not sure whether you have the combat power for Option 3, but I bet you do IF you sucker him halfway down the basin BEFORE executing the amphib. Failing that, Option 2 seems more sensible. I feel like Option 1 plays into his strengths and your weaknesses.


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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 3:16:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		You look to be at risk of getting those two hexes due North and NE of Shwebo totally cut off. Then, you will have those in the jungle (above Lashio) too far away from trails/roads to get back into the action quickly and once he can get to Mandalay, they will be out of action and subject to minimal air attacks to keep their disruption high enough to slow their movement down. I would shorten your line to be Shwebo and Lashio plus the two jungle hexes between them that are off the road.

If he has armor in any of those stacks headed down the middle of Burma, then once he breaks out he will roll through those bases regardless of your fort levels quickly until he gets back to jungle hexes.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 6:55:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mynok


Probably not IMO. It's all about resources and oil now for the Jap. Burma has few. You should defend wisely and efficiently but expect to be dislodged at some point. It's not a great loss. Anything he puts in this theatre is unavailable for use in far more profitable areas.



+1

Stepping back for a second, you are in a dream position far ahead of historical outcome. IMO your major concern is preventing Andy from making a fast thrust to Okinawa.

Unless your defenses fail entirely, he can't walk from Rangoon to Fusan in the game time left. So, the asian land war is about delay and resource recovery.

Ditto DEI. You've held onto this for far longer than most already. You should have plenty of fuel to last through '46 now and you still have 3 - 6 months more of draining. Maybe more.

North Pacific - As long as you don't lose Hokkaido, it's pretty much moot. There just aren't enough other bases that can develop big enough to support the 4E's in numbers. And with the winter effects, a few LCU's with high Forts and LBA support should be able to hold out.

This leaves the Central Pacific. Only through here can Andy move fast enough to change the game outcome now. He's got to get his 4E's in range of the HI by the end of the year and he won't have the navy to do that for another few months. So he has a very tight timetable. Like the beginning game in reverse now. I would really focus on getting my defenses set in depth in the Pacific. That means the KB has to be out of sight, rested, and lurking.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 10:36:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		A while ago, we could call it success, when you shot down 3 planes by FlaK, and here, again, 7!

Remember, that British squad replacements are none (like 12)?
I do not know why, but you still have MORE sorties, than Allies, and your production can match theirs until March.
So, you have more planes, better pilots, and same replacement rate.
They have definite firepower advantage on land.

You should have no problem in getting air superiority, but you should probably wait, until they advance toward plains (like Mandalay).
Get all your Tank Divisions, to quickly counter Allied breach. Defend on the hard-terrain on the coast, and prepare counterattack in the middle, but be sure to have air-superiority first.
When you push them back, you can turn toward Akyab, and cut some troops on the coast.
It is Japan, you should have more ground troops, than Allies, no matter the game-time.
Oh, and this is the only way to use your short-legged planes. The next occasion will be defending of Japan from B-29.


Actually, whole operation seems identical to last Allied push in Burma.
Last time you tried to attack in difficult terrain, and it ended in stalemate. Now they have even more firepower, so plains are your only option.

Just look closer to your pilot training. Time to cut experience, and increase output.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 12:11:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tough situation now, but I agree that Burma's resources are not worth much.  Yet once the basin falls, you might see a steamroller towards Singapore and Vietnam, which would lead to great troubles for your shipping lines from Java and Sumatra, and probably bring major ports in 4EB range -- which would be catastrophic. 

I would think of these priorities:

1. extract units north of Schwebo that are in danger to be cut off.

2. regain air superiority: i. CAP/air fields in the basin,  ii. CAP/LCU  What air assets have you presently stationed in Burma, and can you strip other areas of fighters even for a short while?  I would try to set up a surprise for him, if possible.  It probably would take a week of extended fights, if Andy choose not to stand down. Daily sweeps, CAP, perhaps be prepared for bombing of his 4E fields the day and night after he catches his bloody nose and likely gives his bombers a rest.

3. establish blocking positions behind the Irrawaddy, particularly securing the rail hubs Mandalay and Magwe.  I am not sure whether it is possible to cover a line of 3 hexes, plus a hex flank cover into the jungle.  It is open terrain, so the question is whether you can provide enough air cover to survive the poundings.  But defense behind a river would be a major benefit.  On the positive side -- the more targets you present to Andy's bombers, the less he seems to focus on one mission (LCU vs. air fields).

4. If possible, Andy should be prevented to secure any foothold in the basin, i.e. also holding Shwebo would be of major use. however, feasibility?

5. Ramree island must be retaken, but perhaps there is an alternative to doing so immediately:  Cribtrops idea is a great one, and seems to have a chance to stop Andy cold in the basin without fighting it out with your LCUs there.  Cox's Basar, Chittagong, Akyab would make nice targets to bomb in conjunction with the LBA battles. 
But moreover, do you know what forces Andy has stationed at these bases?  I would think of an amphib op against a supply center, Akyab or Cox Basar, which if successful would put his forces on Ramree island in an untenable position and hurt his supplies in the basin.  After taking it, there would be two real choices: (a)  given your naval superiority and assuming you can regain air superiority, you LCU could threaten a move towards Imphal, which would hopefully force Andy to retire from the basin towards the north; (b) use port (are both build up to 4?) facilities and get the heck out again.   The major questions are... what LCU strength would this require, how much can his LBA in the area hurt an amphib ops (covered by KB), and how about afterwards supplying a base so close to India?
Hmmh, you could put together an amphib ops while the fight for air superiority lasts, and once the outcome is clear, you could still decide to risk Cox's Basar, or take a smaller risk and reroute it to Ramree island?






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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 1:05:11 PM   
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It is Japan, you should have more ground troops, than Allies, no matter the game-time.

From Tracker for the Dec 08 GC.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 1:05:35 PM   
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It is Japan, you should have more ground troops, than Allies, no matter the game-time.

From Tracker for the Dec 08 GC. 
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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 1:42:34 PM   
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Uuh, call me noob, bt what those images meaning ?



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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 2:32:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: traskott

@PaxMondo:
Uuh, call me noob, bt what those images meaning ?






he has posted both the ground units for the Japanese and Allied for this campaign.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 2:50:44 PM   
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However, I think problem is not only LCUs availables but the devices required to fill them: If I destroy enough commowealth ( british, aussies and nz ) infantry squads, the allied player has no way to rearm them. If I destroy several japanese divisions, the japanese player will always can rearm them.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 3:36:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very good discussion and excellent input guys, appreciate it
- I've evaluated the pros and cons and here are some considerations:

1. Yes, we need to extract our troops north of Schwebo. Could be difficult but I will work on something.
2. It is difficult to fight in the open terrain in the basin but Allied troops also become vulnerable here.
I have decided to gather a Panzer Army that can match and Allied trust into this strategic important region.
3. The KB will not be used unless absolutely necessary, but a guest appearence may be considered before or during
a major counterstrike.
4. Surface elements of the Combined fleet will support the Burma Area Army; the planning of a counterstrike against
Ramree has already commenced.
5. A major offensive aginast India is to dangerous because:
a) We have to committ KB against LBA
b) Enemy LCU in region is strong and dug into the jungle and reinforcements can easily be railed in
c) Enemy LBA is too strong and can easily disrupt and destroy our ships and troops, making any land offensive impossible
- Offensive action will only be taken within range of LBA

Whether to deploy more air units; This is an open question, do we want to deploy Zekes and Tojos?
I want to rest these experienced units flying older ac models until we can upgrade them with Georges, Jacks and Franks.
Only in an emergency will they be deployed. The less well trained Tojo units may be deployed as base CAP and "expendables".

Here's the full combat report for last turn in Burma so you can see what's happening in detail:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 26, 43

Surface Combat

Day Time Surface Combat, near Akyab at 54,46, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Mutsuki
DD Kisaragi
DD Yayoi
DD Mochizuki

Allied Ships
MTB 276
MTB 277, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Task forces break off...
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Sub Attacks

Sub attack near Bassein at 52,50

Japanese Ships
DD Mochizuki, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Mutsuki
DD Yayoi

Allied Ships
SS Balao

SS Balao launches 6 torpedoes at DD Mochizuki
Balao diving deep ....
DD Yayoi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yayoi attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yayoi attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yayoi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yayoi fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat


Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on 15th Army, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 15th Army, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 11

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51A Mustang x 13

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-51A Mustang sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 15th Army, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 15

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 13

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 54,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 113 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 18

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 5
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2
FM-1 Wildcat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Glenbank, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DE Godavari


Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 3 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 22

Allied aircraft
FM-1 Wildcat x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
FM-1 Wildcat: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
22 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on 77th Chindit Brigade, at 54,48 (Ramree Island)
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 3 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 33

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 18

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Vengeance I bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
2 x Vengeance I bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Vengeance I bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
1 x Vengeance I bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Vengeance I bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort VIII x 6
Ventura GR.V x 12
B-25G Mitchell x 4

Allied aircraft losses
Ventura GR.V: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ventura GR.V bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x Beaufort VIII bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 7th Ind.Tank Brigade, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 133 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 61 minutes

Allied aircraft
Lysander II x 11
B-25C Mitchell x 29

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Lysander II bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 7th Ind.Tank Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 185 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 7

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Mohawk IV sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort VIII x 24

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Beaufort VIII bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x Beaufort VIII bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 24

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Beaufort I bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
13 x Beaufort I bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 28

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
16 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Vengeance I bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
4 x Vengeance I bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,43 , near Kalemyo
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13
Vengeance I x 14

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 1 damaged
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 6

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Spitfire Vc Trop sweeping at 15000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Shwebo , at 59,45
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 88 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 11

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 1 destroyed by flak

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Blenheim VD bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 16

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 84 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 48

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Tank Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Tank Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Tank Division ...
Also attacking 11th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 25,100 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-36 Mustang x 22

Allied aircraft losses
A-36 Mustang: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A-36 Mustang bombing from 100 feet
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at 54,47 (near Ramree Island)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4171 troops, 64 guns, 159 vehicles, Assault Value = 394
Defending force 8545 troops, 128 guns, 668 vehicles, Assault Value = 412

Assaulting units:
75th IAC Regiment
Gardner's Horse Regiment
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
268th Motorised Brigade
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
Guides Cavalry Regiment
1st Indian Light AA Regiment
77th Coast AA Regiment
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
Guards Tank Division
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Burma

Here is an overview of hex controll in Burma; the fact that you can only sweep enemy owned hexes makes it all
a bit more difficult when you are on the defensive. If I want to bomb enemy LCU in a friendly hex I have to rely on the fragile
escorts only and more often then not they fail to materialize which again leads to certain death for our bombers.
- As soon as the situation switches, like Ramree Island, we can turn things around.

Some good news; All the air groups from the Hiyo and 3 CVLs lost a long time ago have now returned.
The majority (but not all, especially not bombers) returned with trained carrier pilots

We have a lot of reserve pilots and pilots in training; what I'm struggling with is to produce enough HA-45 engines.
The Frank, George as well as the Peggy soon going into production, all use the HA-45 engine. While we are producing 330 engines frame output
equals almost 400 per month and this number will only increase if we produce Peggys. Most likely I will hold back Peggy production until the (t) version
becomes available.

In total we have 8100 ac of all types in service now.




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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/29/2011 8:41:58 PM   
viberpol


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
Here is an overview of hex controll in Burma; the fact that you can only sweep enemy owned hexes makes it all
a bit more difficult when you are on the defensive. If I want to bomb enemy LCU in a friendly hex I have to rely on the fragile
escorts only and more often then not they fail to materialize which again leads to certain death for our bombers.


Are you sure PzB?
I have no problem sweeping friendly hex if only there is an enemy unit in it.

What's more, quite by chance I was learnt a clever trick.
Set your fighter group to escort, max altitude (if limited by HR) and 10% LRCAP over a destination hex.
This way if your daitai misses the escort duty, it will sweep and if in escort, it'll accompany your bombers with good height advantage/equality.


quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
Some good news; All the air groups from the Hiyo and 3 CVLs lost a long time ago have now returned.
The majority (but not all, especially not bombers) returned with trained carrier pilots


I asked some time ago if you could elaborate a bit on that (sorry if I missed the explanation)?
Did you rebuy those units? Well, so it's better to lose/withdraw the squadron than save it?
I've heard something about the CVE/CVL groups reappearing when the ship is disbanded in port, but frankly, I'think I missed the point. How come?




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Post #: 2600
RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/30/2011 3:49:46 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		I've not been able to sweep friendly hexes, that's for sure.
You can indeed "count on" escorts to fail their missions and sweep instead - but this is not exactly a bullet proof theory.
I also got a theory about "lost escorts" performing less well than dedicated sweepers.

Yeah, I bought the lost air units; the units lost with pilots and all were returned with pilots.
The units I managed to transfer out pilots (reserve) before scuttling their carriers returned without pilots.
- Had to wait more than a year for it to happen.

If you get CVEs without airgroups they will spawn Kate units if you put them in a large supplied port for some time.

Andy is continuing his creeping offensive in Burma; I'm in the process of completing the reinforcement of Sumatra and Malaya.
Future reinforcements from Home Islands will go to Central Pacific Islands. This means I have to consider whether to send
more troops to Burma from our strategic reserve; doesn't look like we have much of a choice until May when monsoon sets in again.
A tank corps will ship out asap to counter the expected Allied assault into the basin.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 27, 43

Air Combat

Dispersed CAP and sweep activities today; ca 26 enemy to 22 friendly ac losses.
7 of our pilots were KIA. Some decent results here, just have to keep it up and put the
hurt on the Allies each time they misjudge our presence.


Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 35

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11


Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
286 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 21 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 29

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 15


Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

CAP engaged:
286 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 5 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
20 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 86 minutes
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Morning Air attack on 77th Chindit Brigade, at 54,48 (Ramree Island)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 56 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 19

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 24
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
J1N1-C Irving: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 96

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 20

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 5
Spitfire Vc Trop x 5
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 7
FM-1 Wildcat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Spitfire Vc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
FM-1 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Ground Combat

Enemy presence is building east of Ramree Island!

Ground combat at 54,47 (near Ramree Island)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4166 troops, 64 guns, 159 vehicles, Assault Value = 845
Defending force 8544 troops, 128 guns, 668 vehicles, Assault Value = 409

Assaulting units:
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
75th IAC Regiment
Guides Cavalry Regiment
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
Gardner's Horse Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
5th Indian Division
1st Indian Light AA Regiment
77th Coast AA Regiment
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
Guards Tank Division
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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/30/2011 4:53:55 PM   
beppi

 

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Status: offline 		Mhhh some advises from my side:

- Ramree Island and the surrounding area gives quite a good terrain to defend. So defend there, even shift some reinforcements to that area if necessary. The enemy approach there threatens your flank and if he breaks through you might be in deep trouble as you can cut of and threaten entire burma from there. In addition what i would count even more important, if that base gets built up it, supply can be brought by sea and that base can supply quite a huge area without the usual supply limitations.

- Consider to establish a second line of defense south of the basin it might be necessary sometimes in the future. Especially Prome as it is open flat terrain should be considered as hard to defend. Raise the forts in that base as high as possible, lvl 8-9 preferred as forts protect against bomber rains very well.

- I am not sure if andy would be able to win a simple battle of attrition. Ind 44 Squads will arrive at 90 each month soon (1 month missing) and in combination with US troops and the Chinese with 350 squads each month attritional warfare in that area is more than possible. In addition most of the Indian Divisions lose parts of their Brith 43 troops and some British units are disbanded. That can give andy a few 100 brit 43 squads to burn in combat.

- You could consider how to delay andys offensive as long as possible and with some additional defense lines in the depth where you can fall back to. Especially the Indian divisions with their TOE upgrades just get stronger and the british and indian armored stuff gets quite strong and has a lot of armor to burn as armor for them arrives in quite good numbers.

- The air war is questionable, but fight it as long as possible. And defensive air battles rock as the enemy loses good numbers of pilots, which should not be underestimated.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/31/2011 11:05:24 AM   
viberpol


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

I've not been able to sweep friendly hexes, that's for sure.



Try it out PzB.
I am 100% sure you can sweep your hex if there's an enemy unit present.
That's very nice as it's better to fight over friendly land.

I am running beta m3 right now, but I feel it always been the case... you can't sweep your hex if there are only yours LCUs, but if the enemy is present, it's possible.


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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 5/31/2011 8:47:38 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Yeah, I'm aware of that Beppi! My only immediate concern is that tank division defending against a dozen enemy LCUs.
Without enemy air attacks I wouldn't be worried; today we saved the day by delivering a dozen attacks by Jap army bombers.
- Now Andy can see how easy it is to attack / defend without having complete air superiority.

Reinforcements are moving up and will secure the flank; the 2 tank divisions being shipped in will then form the basin / sout of basin
defense force together with 2500 AV already present.

Our air tactics still work; dispersed CAP as Andy got lots of targets now.
Our destroyers sortied forward and dodged a number of SBDs. Tomorrow they will bombard the enemy force attacking our tank division.
This way we keep the heat on and prevent them from consolidating and delivering an effective thrust (I hope).

A bombardment attack from the northern flank (which is in danger of being isolated) shows only a single Chinding Bde opposing us.
More evidence that Andy wants to flank us. Of course we will never allow it, if worst comes to show the KB will come in and save the day
with a few massive counterstrikes.

Will try to sweeps over friendly base with enemy incursion next turn Viberpol

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 28, 43

ASW Attacks

Sturdy boat, will make it!

ASW attack near Karachi at 40,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-15, hits 20, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Black
TK Stanvac Manila
LST-119
xAK Samcalia
xAK Fort Bourbon
xAK Liran
xAK Modjekerto
xAK Vitorlock
DD Sproston
DD Murray
DD Kimberly
DD Izard

SS I-15 is sighted by escort
DD Sproston fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Murray fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Kimberly attacking submerged sub ....
DD Izard attacking submerged sub ....
DD Sproston fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Kimberly fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Izard attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub
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Air Combat

Selected air attacks shown:

Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
P-51A Mustang x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51A Mustang: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on 1st Indian Light AA Regiment, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 75 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 1st Indian Light AA Regiment, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 225 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 71 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 37
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 268th Motorised Brigade, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 55 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 268th Motorised Brigade, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 8th KGV Light Cav Regiment ...
Also attacking 268th Motorised Brigade ...
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Morning Air attack on 8th KGV Light Cav Regiment, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 71 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 16

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 5th Indian Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 3
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Indian Light AA Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on 75th IAC Regiment, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 20
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 damageg

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 1st Indian Light AA Regiment, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 142 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 11000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,43 , near Kalemyo
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 40

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 6 damaged
Beaufighter TF.X: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
40 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 14th Division, at 59,43 , near Kalemyo
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 36

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 21st Army ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Army ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Army ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Army ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
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Morning Air attack on 15th Army, at 59,45 (Shwebo)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 90 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19
Ki-84a Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 2
Ki-84a Frank x 4

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 5 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 2
Ki-84a Frank x 2

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 16


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses


Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 25000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 53,47
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 25
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Kisaragi
DD Yugumo
DD Mutsuki

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort VIII x 6
A-36 Mustang x 17
B-25D1 Mitchell x 30
B-25G Mitchell x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 11 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Beaufort VIII bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-25G Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at 54,47 (near Ramree Island)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21511 troops, 410 guns, 892 vehicles, Assault Value = 842
Defending force 8545 troops, 128 guns, 667 vehicles, Assault Value = 408

Allied adjusted assault: 373
Japanese adjusted defense: 1319

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
233 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 74 (8 destroyed, 66 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Guides Cavalry Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
75th IAC Regiment
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
Gardner's Horse Regiment
5th Indian Division
1st Indian Light AA Regiment
77th Coast AA Regiment
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
Guards Tank Division
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Ground combat at 59,43 (near Kalemyo)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2458 troops, 41 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 121
Defending force 14916 troops, 152 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 481

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
23rd Chindit Brigade

Defending units:
14th Division
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
55th Field AA Battalion
21st Army
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Air Losses





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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 6/1/2011 5:39:43 PM   
pauk


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PzB, clear your PM box - its full!

Perhaps we could arrange something for both of you , but I cant arrange anything if we cant communicate :)


btw, dont worry abut Burma theater... its old Andy's preocupation. Unfortunatly, my AAR was lost due reckless behaviour of certain forum member and moderators, so you cant look there what is best defence against "i will outflank you" AndyMac..

just play clever... defend first line (but prepare 2nd and 3rd defencive line meanwhile) and than suddently retreat to another "Gustav-san" line.... you decided well, using surface combat ships for defence against enemy amphibious assaults on Malayan peninsula, together with air force would be enough imho... good old Andy.... sometimes i can imagine him as young Winston Churchill (WW I Galipoli)...

Just trade land for time - but not before it is neccesary. Im sure you will find the way master PzB :)

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 6/1/2011 7:58:07 PM   
inqistor


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Status: offline 		Interesting fact is, that your Tank Forces would do better fighting Allied Tank Forces, despite being far inferior. With 75 Hard Attack of Commonwealth squads, your tanks will be completely disabled in few days, so your best bet is to avoid large concentration of infantry.

Allied aircraft production for January 1944:
F 605
FB 54
NF 6
DB 197
LB 258
RC 12
TR 74
PA 45
FP 18
TB 117


quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

quote:

ORIGINAL:  inqistor
It is Japan, you should have more ground troops, than Allies, no matter the game-time.

From Tracker for the Dec 08 GC. 
Allies:





Wow, Japan have THAT many engineers? I thought Allies get, at least, 3 times more.
Anyway, those numbers do not tell much. The good comparison would be either checking it by AV, or counting only large units
1) Lots, and I mean LOTS, of Allies units sooner, or later withdraw. on Japanese side, except Thai, it is maybe 10 units.
2) Allies will lose around 200 units in Philippines, Hong Kong, Malaya and DEI, during Japanese assault (well, you can rebuy them now, but how many Philippine squads are there produced after 1942? At least KNIL gets reinforcements in 1945)
3) There is lots of something like Tahiti Detachment, with 2 squads, 2 Aviation Support, 2 AAMGs, and 10 support. Not really anything useful, except air-trip-stop
4) There is also lots of Independent (or Commando) Battalions, with like 15 squads, and support. They will be destroyed after 2 attacks
5) And finally, permanently-restricted units. On Japanese side all of them will be in the fight, sooner, or later, in one form, or another. For Allies, most of USA/Australia/New Zealand units will never see fight. Or only for a short time.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 6/2/2011 3:41:24 PM   
PzB74


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Message capacity is 0.000000000000000000001 % of the space a single AAR report requires
Tried to delete some old messages!

We've actually ordered a trip to Split, leaving on Saturday and going to stay for a week.
Got a bargain deal we couldn't refuse! Will recon the area and decide how to organize a longer vacation later on.

Yeah, will just slog it out with Andy - put reinforcements and backup in place and live with the losses and try to make the kill ratio as favorable as possible
without loosing focus on the all important SRA region. Central Pacific is OK for now no matter what Allies may try.

A tank division got lots of infantry and with dug in tanks they should make formidable defensive formations in a jungle hex.
Moved in some reinforcements and 2 more divisions and a Bde will also arrive shortly.
- Number of ac available is so large now that I doubt Andy will bother about losses, only large 4E losses will deter him.

Something interesting happened this turn; for the first time _EVER_ we intercepted minelaying B-24s of Rangoon!!!
No less than 13 were reported lost today! 2 other missions laid mines unopposed but this may indeed make it more hazardous to mine major ports.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 29, 43

Bombardments

Keep disrupting enemy troops engaging our Guards Tank division just north of Ramree Island.

Night Naval bombardment of Ramree Island at 54,47

Japanese Ships
DD Yayoi
DD Kisaragi
DD Mutsuki
DD Urakaze
DD Kiyonami

DD Yayoi firing at 5th Indian Division
DD Kisaragi firing at 5th Indian Division
DD Mutsuki firing at 5th Indian Division
DD Urakaze firing at 77th Coast AA Regiment
DD Kiyonami firing at 5th Indian Division
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Air Combat

Low level Helens lit up 2 merchantmen at Horn Island.
Forgot to provide escort, but no opposition encountered, probably auto supply convoy.


Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 16
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
16 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 26

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 4

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on Guards Tank Division, at 54,47 , near Ramree Island
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on 77th Chindit Brigade, at 54,48 (Ramree Island)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 95 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 59
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 12

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12

No Japanese losses
No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PB4Y-1 Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 6000 feet
8 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 6000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 59
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 12

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 37


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-61-Ic Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 destroyed, 13 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet

CAP engaged:
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIb Tojo (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 23 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
26th Sentai with Ki-44-IIb Tojo (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
59th Sentai with Ki-44-IIb Tojo (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIb Tojo (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
248th Sentai with Ki-61-Ic Tony (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
286 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on 77th Chindit Brigade, at 54,48 (Ramree Island)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 17

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 77th Chindit Brigade, at 54,48 (Ramree Island)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 20

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 77th Chindit Brigade, at 54,48 (Ramree Island)
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 31
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 22

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128
Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK General Fleisher, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Ruth Alexander, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Skip bombing attack!

As you can see air losses are still very favourable and we make mince meat of many sweeping units.
Guess they are weary with fatigue and flying long distances while we can rest and rotate our CAP formations.
A large number of fighter units set to low % CAP is quite efficient and resilient.




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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 6/2/2011 11:13:36 PM   
PzB74


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Firstly - our sweeps over friendly held hex did not materialize.
Neither did any "Andy sweeps" over Ramree Island, and it cost him blood today.

Our amphibious landing force (2nd Ambh Bde) arrived at Ramree Island and started unloading.
Strong naval units bombarded the enemy and sank a LCT convoy in the process.
- Enemy air attacks did sink a troop ship but we utterly decimated the strike units today
Among enemy losses:
36 Beaufighters
34 Hurries
22 SBDs
7 Vengeance

More than 100 enemy ac destroyed for the loss of ca 20 Jap ac!

Our bombardment again stopped the Allied ground attack north of Ramree cold in its tracks.
Seems like we have sufficient force in place to dish out some hurt.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 30, 43

Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 53,47, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CA Aoba
CA Kako
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Tachekaze

Allied Ships
LCT-145, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
LCT-146, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
LCT-148, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
LCT-149, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
LCT-150, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LCT-153, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
MGB No. 383, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB 275, Shell hits 1
MTB 276
MTB 279, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ramree Island at 54,48, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
CA Suzuya
CA Kinugasa
CL Noshiro
DD Hamakaze
DD Murasame
DD Samidare
DD Takakaze
DD Susukaze

Allied Ships
MTB 275, Shell hits 1
MTB 276, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
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Bombardments

Night Naval bombardment of Ramree Island at 54,48

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
CA Kinugasa
CA Suzuya
CL Noshiro
DD Susukaze
DD Takakaze
DD Samidare
DD Murasame
DD Hamakaze

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Port hits 15
Port supply hits 5

BB Kirishima firing at 77th Chindit Brigade
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Hiei
BB Hiei firing at Ramree Island
CA Kinugasa firing at 77th Chindit Brigade
CA Suzuya firing at 50th Indian Para Brigade
CL Noshiro firing at Ramree Island
DD Susukaze firing at 50th Indian Para Brigade
DD Takakaze firing at 50th Indian Para Brigade
DD Samidare firing at 77th Chindit Brigade
DD Murasame firing at 50th Indian Para Brigade
DD Hamakaze firing at 50th Indian Para Brigade
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Naval bombardment of Ramree Island at 54,47

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo
CA Kako
CA Aoba
DD Tachekaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Yukikaze
DD Natsushio

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)

BB Haruna firing at 268th Motorised Brigade
BB Kongo firing at 5th Indian Division
CA Kako firing at 5th Indian Division
CA Aoba firing at 5th Indian Division
DD Tachekaze firing at 5th Indian Division
DD Kawakaze firing at 5th Indian Division
DD Yukikaze firing at 5th Indian Division
DD Natsushio firing at 5th Indian Division
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Invasions

Pre-Invasion action off Ramree Island (54,48)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

90 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CL Katori
AK Yamasimo Maru

Japanese ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CL Katori firing at 77th Chindit Brigade
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards
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Amphibious Assault at Ramree Island (54,48)
TF 70 troops unloading over beach at Ramree Island, 54,48

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 2nd Amphibious Bde /3
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Air Combat

Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 51 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 37
Hurricane FR.IIb x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
Beaufighter TF.X: 1 destroyed by flak
Hurricane FR.IIb: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Urakaze
xAK Atutasan Maru
xAP Suwa Maru
xAP Suminoe Maru
DD Kiyonami, Shell hits 3
DD Yayoi
DD Kisaragi
DD Mutsuki
DD Yugumo

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
14 x Hurricane FR.IIb bombing from 100 feet
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 103 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 8
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAP Suwa Maru
AK Sagami Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAP Suminoe Maru
xAP Husimi Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAP Hikawa Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
9 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AK Sagami Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Husimi Maru
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Hikawa Maru
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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53
Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 127 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 5
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 53
Ki-61-Ic Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
Wellington GR.XIII x 11
B-17E Fortress x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington GR.XIII: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Wellington GR.XIII laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet *
13 x B-17E Fortress laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet
11 x B-17E Fortress laying Mk 13 Mine from 5000 feet
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 6
Vengeance I x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 1 damaged
Vengeance I: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Mutsuki, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Yayoi
DD Kiyonami
DD Kisaragi
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128
Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AM Revenge

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 50th Indian Para Brigade, at 54,48 (Ramree Island)
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 35

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 24
Hurricane FR.IIb x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hurricane FR.IIb: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
DD Kisaragi

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 100 feet
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 109 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 43 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 9 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48
Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 91 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 2
Ki-84a Frank x 5

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Kiyonami
DD Yugumo

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Vengeance I releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
4 x Vengeance I releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128
Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 23
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
KV New Westminster, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM Revenge, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage


Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
23 x J2M2 Jack sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at 60,43 (near Katha)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12571 troops, 114 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 457
Defending force 4034 troops, 134 guns, 134 vehicles, Assault Value = 98

Japanese adjusted assault: 88
Allied adjusted defense: 427

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+)
Attacker: leaders(-), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
596 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 37 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Division

Defending units:
1st Garrison Brigade
23rd AA Bde
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Ground combat at Ramree Island (54,48)
Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2198 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 130
Defending force 1126 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 52

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
50th Indian Para Brigade
77th Chindit Bde /1
51st (East African) Const Bn /1

Defending units:
3rd Raiding Regiment
2nd Amphibious Bde /4
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Ground combat at 54,47 (near Ramree Island)
Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13559 troops, 300 guns, 322 vehicles, Assault Value = 835
Defending force 8945 troops, 128 guns, 806 vehicles, Assault Value = 464

Allied adjusted assault: 265
Japanese adjusted defense: 773

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 38 (2 destroyed, 36 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
259 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 53 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
8th KGV Light Cav Regiment
Gardner's Horse Regiment
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
75th IAC Regiment
Guides Cavalry Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
5th Indian Division
1st Indian Light AA Regiment
77th Coast AA Regiment
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
8th Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
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Aces High

Ace factory! Finally our top guns got more kills, 14 now




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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 6/3/2011 10:01:47 AM   
beppi

 

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Status: offline 		Sometimes Andy is such a huge berserker :)

Congratulations, nice turn, nice use of fighter cover and especially nice use of your surface assets. It is very respectable to use surface assets that late in the game which such a good effect and low losses.

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RE: The Empire Strikes Back! - 6/3/2011 11:43:14 PM   
PzB74


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From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		Well, he has to do something and he is drawing Jap resources to Burma....
Thx Beppi, but we may have stirred a hornets nest. Andy will now have a week to plan more as I'm going to Split for vacation!

So a weeks break from the war, need some R&R
Cheers


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