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Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.28 - 6/5/2011 7:10:45 PM   
Peltonx


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Status: offline 		AGN: Everything is going as planned. Pskov taken on turn 2. SHC is pulling everything it can back, seems to be the general tactic after the 1.04.22 . Why fight when u can retreat.

All the production units are still in Leningrad. On the first 2 turns I have over run Destroyed the 4 Heavy an 4 AP’s in Minsk.

AGC: To land bridge enemy retreating.
Production in Mogilev (3 HVY and 3 AP) was with drawn.

AGS: Again enemy retreating.





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 7:11:42 PM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 7:12:16 PM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 7:14:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		AGN Turn 4

840,000 kills
Destroyed: 7 HVY and 7 AP





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 7:15:17 PM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 7:20:08 PM   
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I was able to croos the Dnepr on turn 3. I could have crosses just below Keiv, but figured it would be better to cross closer to my RH so I could do HQ build-ups starting turn 5. I expanded the bridgehead an started clearing areas on my flanks.

I am thinking that doing HQ build up's on turn 4 would be better, but I have to save that for the next game. Not sure its possible, because I would need to have 3 infantry divisions close on turn 3 to fill the front out on turn 4. I beleive it be possible to do 1 Corps if I plan better next time around.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 7:21:18 PM   
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AGN:

1,010,000 kills
Destroyed: 9 HVY and 9 AP


AGN 1 HQ build-up. I basicly moved infantry closer for the major O that will cut Leningrad off next turn and cleared flanks.





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 7:21:57 PM   
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AGC: 3 HQ build ups. Moved infantry into position and cleared flanks for next turn big O.






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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 7:23:00 PM   
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AGS: 1 HQ build up. Cleared flanks and built up bridge head for next turns attacks.

He has been railing out production as best he can, but next turn I will be putting pressure on many different production centers. This will also hurt him bring up more troops to front. As long as I am taking what he gives me each turn I should have units to bag and production to destory.

I will also have allot of pocket options and production option in the coming 11 turns.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 8:22:22 PM   
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No pictures I forgot just short up-date.


Total so far not counting cut off production units. Destroyed: 9 HVY and 9 AP

AGN: Leningrad rail system cut off on turn 6 - 8 HVY and 15 AP cut off.
9 divisions bagged west of Leningrad.

AGC: 13 divisions bagged just east of river. 1 Panzer Corp HQed up.

AGS: 6 infantry and 6 panzer divisions over the Dnepr now. D-town rail lines cut 5 HVY and 15 AP bagged.

I will have pictures for end of turn 7/start of turn 8 before moves.

I fully expect next turn to be about closing pockets in the north and south.
The center will be pushing hard again.

Basicly fully up dated now.



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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.22 - 6/5/2011 8:33:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking like Arstavidios is Pelton's latest victim.

Well done sir!

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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/6/2011 7:37:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		End of turn 7 before turn 8 moves.

1.5 million kills so far.

Destroyed: 9 HVY and 9 AP

AGN: Leningrad rail system cut off on turn 6 - 8 HVY and 15 AP cut off.
On turn 6 I pocketed 9 divisions and wiped them out on turn 7.I resealed pocket on turn 7 an almost have a small pocket to south of Leningrad. I am sure he will
get allot of these units out, but he will not be able to redeploy them across river.

I have allot of really strong units pocketed in or north of Leningrad. I am not sure if I will take panzers and drive to take ports or pull them all out to AGC to drive for Moscow. The running for the hills tactic only seems to help me get my infantry to the front faster with close to 100% ToW.





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/6/2011 7:38:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGC: Bryansk 3HVY and 8AP cut off.
I also had a 13 Division pocket bagged on turn 6 and wiped out on turn 7. Panzers then advanced and pocketed Bryansk.
1 Corps HQed up on turn 6. Marsh is also almost cleared out. I have several options here with panzers high on fuel.
Drive for Moscow/Tula or turn north and try for a large pocket. I will have 2 or 3 turns before AGN panzers arrive and I start driving for Moscow or clear everything to south. I will have allot of INF corps in position for another major O in a few turns.





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/6/2011 7:39:43 AM   
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D-town cut off was cut off on turn 6 - 5 HVY and 15 AP.
1 Corps HQed on turn 6 and then another on turn 7.
Z-Town evaced on turn 6.

Again I have allot of fuel and allot of sweet targets close by. Infantry is starting to arrive in force now.
Several options next turn.
Attack north for large pocket or attack towards both Kharkov and Stalino. I don’t believe he can come close to evacing both not even considering the ones in center I am close to.
He also is very thin on troops near the front and should be considering bring up more units.





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/6/2011 10:58:32 PM   
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Losses are at about 1.6 million.

As of turn 8 I have destroyed 16 HVY and 38 AP. I also have another 27 HVY and 72 AP pocketed or cut-off for a total of 43 HVY (18%) and 110 AP ( 29%) on turn 8. Arstavidois has been tring to rail out what he can and bring troops to the front.

AGN: Leningrad is sealed off and I have moved 1 Panzer corps toward AGC.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/6/2011 11:01:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		AGC: I took some chances and went all out for towards Moscow, Tula and Orel. Arstavidios has cut some units off, but they have done their jobs. I should be able to free them up, then push for Moscow. I have allot of time left. I will get infantry to front, AGN's Panzers, do some build-ups then head for Moscow.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/6/2011 11:05:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		AGS: I have made some very nice gains here quickly and dropped allot of production units. There are many more units close by.


As far as my winter lines go I am just a few hexs away and expect to start digging in very early. The Panzers will head north soon to straighten out the lines and pocket whatever is around. I send 1 corps into Crimea if needed.

All most forgot, HQed 1 Panzer corps.





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/6/2011 11:36:52 PM   
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Masterful job sir!

A ton of industry and especially armaments in the bag. Lot of territory to flip yet, but plenty of time.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/7/2011 3:56:10 AM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/7/2011 8:26:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I've seen this kind of drive before.  I would be extremely interested in seeing what happens with the roles reversed ( with Pelton handling the Soviets ).  Maybe you ( Pelton ) might want to consider playing the Soviet side in an AAR sometime.  I'm still in the learning phase and talents like this might give us new guys some tips about how to do the Soviet side.  But this is a good game so far.  Keep up the good work. 

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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/8/2011 9:48:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 9
Over view of Campaign so far, before turn 10
1 HQ build up was used by AGN before turn 10
4 HQ build up used by AGC before turn 10.
3 HQ build ups used by AGS before turn 10.
I am trying to stay under the 1 HQ build up per turn, which I have been able to do up to turn 9, which is basically 1/2 the summer offensive.

75% of my tank and mech divisions are at 90% ToW or better and about 75% of infantry divisions are above 85% ToW better. I expect to be close to full strength by the blizzard and fully dug into a 3 deep line of level 3 and 4 forts.

As far as factories go I have been able to destroy or pocket 56 hvy (24%) and 138 AP’s (37%), plus hes had to move allot back. Most of the moved production will not be of any help to him during the winter. I am not really that close to any major centers other then Moscow. I am of course going to be pushing hard to trap what I can asap. I expect an easy winter per the results so far plus based on my other 9 campaigns.

AGN: Clearing of Leningrad and areas to the east have begun.

AGC: Final push for Moscow is set to begin. I am also working on the winter lines north to Leningrad and south to Stalino.

AGS: Rostov was over run, but I withdrew to winter lines. Panzers will be sent North to clear winter lines and 1 corps to Crimea.

Arstavidiois has at times fought hard building up forces in front of my spearheads, but on other turns retreated. He has also cut of my spearheads several times and bloodied my panzer divisions. Most players go all in or all retreat. Hes tried to balance the 2 and save what he could, but I don’t believe its worked all that well so far. Just my option based on production destoried to date.

I have figured out several more things I could have done better, which I will put into my next campaign. I really like this game, I feel like I am a total newbie still when it comes to game mechanics. I still have no idea how to transfer support units between armies and corps

I will have a good size up-date this weekend RL will be busy the next 4 days.

Pelton

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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/8/2011 2:03:13 PM   
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Click on the support unit from the HQ detail screen, then click on the name of its current HQ. It will pop up a list of available HQs to transfer it to.


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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/8/2011 9:50:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for help Mynok

Larry as far as me playing Russia it will not happen for a while.

Poeple like Tarhunnas, Hoooper and Flaviusx to name a few know allot more then I ever will about playing the SHC.

They give great advice, but poeple just don't listen until its to late.

I still spend time readings the AAR's ect learning what I can, every little thing adds up to better results. Its not like I started playing and have done anything that different then what has alrdy been done.

I am sure their are better poeple then me that play the GHC. Hoooper stopped me during 1941 hes kinda new to the game, but I have a feeling hes spent allot of time reading AAR's like myself.

Thanks again Larry for the game, if you like playing the SHC watch and learn from the best players.

Pelton




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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/9/2011 2:52:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pelton
Thanks again Larry for the game, if you like playing the SHC watch and learn from the best players.

You're welcome. We'll have to do it again sometime after I learn how to handle the Soviet side better.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/10/2011 2:41:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGN:As far as factories go I have been able to destroy or pocket 58 hvy (25%) and 141 AP’s (38%). Losses are very light for both sides. 350,000 Geerman and 1.9 million Russian.
The north is basicly done. I have some mopping up to do, but its basicly done other then setting up my winter lines.
I transfered most of the mech units to the center. This area of the front will be boring for the mext 24 months





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/10/2011 2:41:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGC: I am going to be tring to clear Moscow over the next few turns. So far i have faced very little resistance in the center of then a lack of supplies.





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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/10/2011 2:42:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGS: The south has gone much better then I could have hoped for. I have crushed allmost all the factories I could have possibly gotten to. No real resistance yet.

Most of my mech units are near full ToW. I will probably try to bag some units during winter. I have already started digging into my winter lines.

I should have time to clear the Crimea.

I capped Rostov then pulled back.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/10/2011 3:54:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well done Pelton.

Too bad you pulled back from Rostov.

Check page 148 of the rule book about Germany AGS re-designation. If you had captured Azov, Bataysk, and Manych (three small towns very close to Rostov), then you would have triggered Army Group B activation. This is huge for the Germans as it allows them to get one of their most overloaded army groups (south) fixed. I have not been able to do it, but I have to think such a thing can only help with the logistics and command situation down there and especially over the first winter.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/10/2011 5:40:17 AM   
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Where's your planned 'mud line' Pelton? Just curious.


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RE: Pelton (GHC) Vs Arstavidios 1.04.24 - 6/10/2011 10:25:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for info Klydon. I am ignorant still of many things. I am still not sure of how many units I should have per corps, army ect.

Mynok I like to try to take Leningrad and push my lines east to Lake Onega. Logistics suck out there, but the Finnish dont seem to care and the line is short.
Then basicly to some wheres east of Moscow/Tula/Orel/Kursk/Kharkov/Stalino to the sea. I like to clear Crimea also. Moscow is not a must but does seem to put a dent in the man power numbers and rail.

So far when I have been able to get to this line, my opponents surrender during the blizzard because of a weak winter O or during the summer because of hvy losses. They see no point in playing out the game because they see the writing on the wall or think they do anyways.

I don't expect to VP anyone, but to put them out based on economics. Just as The Germans were hoping to do. I plan on playing every game for the full 225 turns. I don't look down on anyone for dropping out early, because of all the time involved to play out the last 3 yrs.

Thats why I push so hard for my objectives early in the game. I lose allot of tanks, equipment ect, but I lose them in exchange for 10000's of Russian tanks/guns that I will never see on the battle field, 1,000,000's of men that I never have to fight over the following 4 yrs. I will exchange a few 100 tanks and 250,000 men for that anyday.

The Russian players that run for the hills are saving 1.5 million men an a bunch of junk equipement during 1941, but are losing out on 4 or 5 times that number over the next 4 yrs.

Sabre21 and others are 100% right when they say that running never works, because they seen it tried many many times in the past. The only games you see where the Russian player wins is when they fight for every inch of ground, trading troops for space and time. Its allot harder strategy, but its the only one that works.

If I kill 5 million men and don't put a dent in Russian production I will probably lose the war in the long run. If I only kill 2 million men but put a hurting on the Russian econmy I will probably win in the long run.

Arstavidios could have saved far more production, but hes failed to put up even a minor fight all along the front other then around Leningrad. He will counter my tanks from time to time, but then retreat when he could have made me lose a turn. Hes seemed afriad of exchanging 200,000 men now for 1,000,000 later.

This game is basicly just a huge chess game, poeple need to think many many turns ahead. I will exchange my knight for your queen any day

Pelton


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