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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

witpqs, Andy,
No, Greyjoy was very specific that he was penny-packeting his forces out in order for them to be defeated piecemeal. I've asked about it repeatedly ( as have some others ) but the dispositions remain.


This would, IMO, be the best route for the IJA to take:

1. Red = STrategic railing supported by para drops.
Small forces offshoot westward to take Delhi and other roads heading west in order to prevent Allied troops from cutting the LOCs.


2. Green = line of march ( not strategic movement ) which dislocates ALL Allied defences outside of Karachi and renders them useless. Without actually having to engage any of the defences Greyjoy has built up the Japanese can easily arrive in Karachi. It also forces the Allies to shock attack across a river to get back to Karachi - which will destroy them as a combat capable force ere they reach it.


As re: Rader. I truly don't think we need to worry too much about anything sneaky similar to what I've posted above/below. I think that the "hey diddle, diddle, right up the middle" approach we see is what we're getting. The indirect approach would negate positions which Rader will bypass but would negate them much more cheaply and keep more of his combat power available at the tip. I don't think he has done the right analysis here though so he won't see that. I think Greyjoy's analysis is even more spotty so it'll still work out reasonably well for Rader - although he hasn't the killer instinct needed to guarantee a victory here.

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ORIGINAL: Miller

Going from memory I dont think Japan has many land based Kate and Val units at this stage of the game, certainly not enough to more than half fill the KB.

Another thing is IF these are mainly land based "Carrier capable" units he is employing from the KB, what is he using to train his next generation of pilots back home???

Assuming GreyJoy manages to get the bulk of his units back to Karachi (Say 5000AV), how on earth can Rader ever hope to capture it?

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Thats a damned slow route he has chosen for his main Line of Advance - suspiciously slow........

Even armour will take weeks to cross that desert out of strat mode and strat mode cannot be used if you hold Hyderabad - thats a mix of Desert (fast) and Desert (Rough) VERY SLOW hexes this looks like a bluff to be

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ORIGINAL: terje439

I agree with what was said about GreyJoy being the one that should play it, and also that alot of good avdice has been offered here.

What I want to ask GreyJoy is this;
you have forces present in Jodpur to defend that base, relying on your railroads to get you out when the time comes.
What will you do if the enemy goes up to Jodpur and then starts to make flanking moves on the city towards the "west"?
By making such a move your opponent will force one of two conditions on you;
-keep your troops in Jodpur and let them die there, or
-use the railroads to move out before he has even entered the city

Is this something you keep in mind?


Terje

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ORIGINAL: DOCUP

Whats Oz look like? Do you control the norther part? How does the rest of the map look also?

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ORIGINAL: Erkki

Have you thought about attacking the Kido Butai with your 4Es?

I mean, the goal is not to hurt the carriers even if hits are preferable, but to kill even more of his Zeroes. Naval attack at 20 or 25kft, theres 100% chance of him having Zeroes in the CAP, and AAA most likely wont damage more than a 1-2 bombers. full KB fighter force, 40% CAP 60% escorts means he will have max 120, but now probably only around 40 Zeroes vs. your 50-60(?) bombers, he WILL lose more Zeroes and even more of his elite pilots than you do your 4Es. I know the bombers are valuable, but thats one way to bring your bombers in the air superiority battle without getting them chewed up by flak bombing ampty air fields or Ki-45 protected troops. You can also do that from Karachi and target is pretty close... See if his poker face holds seeing half a hundred 4Es fly over his most important assets.

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: Erkki

Have you thought about attacking the Kido Butai with your 4Es?

I mean, the goal is not to hurt the carriers even if hits are preferable, but to kill even more of his Zeroes. Naval attack at 20 or 25kft, theres 100% chance of him having Zeroes in the CAP, and AAA most likely wont damage more than a 1-2 bombers. full KB fighter force, 40% CAP 60% escorts means he will have max 120, but now probably only around 40 Zeroes vs. your 50-60(?) bombers, he WILL lose more Zeroes and even more of his elite pilots than you do your 4Es. I know the bombers are valuable, but thats one way to bring your bombers in the air superiority battle without getting them chewed up by flak bombing ampty air fields or Ki-45 protected troops. You can also do that from Karachi and target is pretty close... See if his poker face holds seeing half a hundred 4Es fly over his most important assets.

Thx Erkki but we have an HR saying 4Es on Naval attack are allowed only if composed by ONE single squadron and with alt max 15k... so i think it's just an Heil Mary option at the moment also because the 4Es pilots are not trained for naval attack...

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

You are focussing on the B-17s as an effective attack force. That isn't their only possible role. Some planes are your sword, some are your shield and sometimes swords are used primarily to block or absorb a thrust, having the appearance of an offensive weapon but actually defending the rest of the strike.

Also, you are focusing on maximum altitude.... That's interesting but only half of the story. Their altitude range is 100 feet to 15,000 feet. Are you, possibly, missing somethingby just focusing on the limitation of maximum altitude and not considering other altitude bands or the interactions possible with other forces which aren't limited by these HRs?

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Concerning Oz, the situation is pretty good i'd say.
After the patch i was able to swicth off the Hi and then, following the suggestion made by many of you(among them i remember NY59Giants), i started to build up a chain of convoys between East Cost, Cape Town, Perth(or Adelaide) to bring to Oz supplies and, above all, fuel.
Along with that to Oz have been shipped some american units (a division, a couple of regiments, 3 base forces, and lots of arty, engeneers and AAA units) in order to help securing it from a possible invasion.
All the native units have been moved back to the Triangle Brisbane-Melbourne-Sydney, where they started to build and fortify bases and to mass supplies and fuel.
Some squadrons of bombers and fighters have been also shipped from the US to Oz in order to give to the continent a decent power. The only thing that in Oz is missing is a decent naval force.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Regarding some earlier comments, AFAIK you can not use strategic movement to leave a base when enemy forces are already in that base hex.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Yes, conducting an orderly and effective retreat or withdrawal is complicated.  Weird or unexpected things can happen to throw you off schedule, allow the enemy to cut off or isolate an army, or to pound the army to death by air.  Just about everybody has experienced the routine of thinking you have enough time and space to evacuate an important force, only to see the enemy catch up and maul it.  I've had this done to me in Malaya and in India in major ways, and in Oz and China to a lesser extent.  So be forwarned, your position probably isn't as safe as you think it is!

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510



What about your West Coast to Aussie supply lines?

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Also- have you sorted out and KEPT all of your APs that can convert to APAs?  That is a must.

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ORIGINAL: Erkki

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

You are focussing on the B-17s as an effective attack force. That isn't their only possible role. Some planes are your sword, some are your shield and sometimes swords are used primarily to block or absorb a thrust, having the appearance of an offensive weapon but actually defending the rest of the strike.

Also, you are focusing on maximum altitude.... That's interesting but only half of the story. Their altitude range is 100 feet to 15,000 feet. Are you, possibly, missing somethingby just focusing on the limitation of maximum altitude and not considering other altitude bands or the interactions possible with other forces which aren't limited by these HRs?

Yeah, a 100ft Conga line attack against KB performed by a single squad could also give him some breathing room. He'd know you to not be afraid to use your bombers, and with some luck the CAP is thin and set to 25kft, there being high chances of getting through with no more than 1 or 2 hit bombers. Flak for sure would shoot some down, but he'll think twice about keeping KB 6 hex from Karachi AND keeping only the light 25kft CAP screen. Every Zero CAPing is a Zero that doesnt fly over Karachi, and a lucky 500lbs on the deck of a Jap CV is at minimum 53 plane capacity damaged that needs to be escorted to safety.