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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/11/2011 12:36:48 PM   
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in the North Leningrad has been cleared. The finns are attacking accros the line.
I'm retreating my forces into the forrests and reorganising. Leningrad front has 3 armies and is a mess.

Northwest front alsp withdraws slowly. 3 armies there Armies are grouped. I'm bringing in a few skeleton divisions.

Below that the reserve front is getting organised into 3 armies around Kalinin, taking whatever divisions were available nearby. armies vary in size from 3 or 4 divisions to 12

In front of Moscow
The Germans are massing some forces , in stacks of 2 or 3 units. i managed to withdraw a 2 panzer divisions stacks.  There i'm organising defensive lines. I lost a few hewes to german attacks but losses are mounting for both sides.

During the german turn losses were 180 000 soviets to 60 000 Axis includind the 45 000 from leningrad. The germans again lost 200 tanks. during their turn and some more due to the soviet attacks. however operation tank strenghth went back up to 1500 as his divisions are resting.

Moscow is now covered by the western front which counts 6 armies. Moscow MD with one Army defends moscow itself. Plenty os skeleton units hanging around too under stavka.

In the South Bryansk and South wester front got more or less sorted out. Bryansk front liks with western front and covers the Southern approches of moscow  from Kaluga to Tula.

SWestern front got its army sorted out after running all the way from the Dnepr; a few counterattacks were launched against weak axis units.

North Caucasus gets organised around Rostov.

In the Crimea an other German assault was repulsed. Southern front is down there.

I now have 3 guards infantry divisions.

Behind the line I 'm starting to collect all the skeleton units that appear and sort them together. Especially cavalry units.
I changed a number of leaders. I hope it will improve things.

How do air units get auto uprade? Modern figthers get stocked up in the pool while my units fly I-153 and stuff like that.I can spend some APs to upgrade some units , but in the long run this is going to be expensive......

Basically i messed with my factory evacuations, and lost a lot of armament and heacy industry. I just missed a number of the dot city factories.
This is my first PBEM game and Pelton focused all his early strategy on overunning faxctories. Lessons leanred. I hope to do better next time. Now i have an idea of how deep the germans can get early.

I should have about 60% of my capacity left in armament. So far I think I should be able to survive.
However, I may still lose Moscow before the mud.




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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/11/2011 7:26:18 PM   
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The Germans have advanced a little in the north.
In front of Moscow Panzers are trying break my front between rzev and Moscow.
In the South seven divisions are pocketed around kursk.
Some attacks towards rostov and an other attack against the gates of Crimea.

Losses are about 550 000 Axis to 2 300 000 soviets.  German tank strenth is still low with over 200 german tanks lost this turn.

I got two more guards divisions this turn which makes 5 for the moment.

In the North
The fins and the Germans adavanced in the forests.
Leningrad front redeploys.

Southwestern front launches a couple of successful counrerattacks against motorised divisions which are retreated.

Reserve front counter attacks an infantry division that had crossed the river near rzev and push it back

In the Moscow area I attack the Panzer spearhead and withdraw 2 motorised divisions. In follow up attacks they are routed.

The two spearhead panzer divisions are isolated but I do not have enough strength to attack them.

South of Moscow some attacks  along the line Bryank front hits some infantry.

SW front reopent the Kursk pocket hitting a number of mobile divisions in the process.

Around Rostov and German infantry division is forced to withdraw.

In the Crimea I keep digging and moving units around. Stalemate here.

I'm moving all those reinforcement brigade towards the front. It will take time before they get ready but they are close at hand.
Changed a few leaders and upgraded some fighter squadrons.

Two more turn before the mud.
Moscow might still be in my hands, but maybe not.

Axis suffered over 50 000 losses during their turn and 20 000 during my turn.
My losses were about 120 000 and 15 000 during my turn.

I will soon be short on armament. so i'm generous on RR brigade construction. those are useful units and they will soak up excess manpower. That should help for the digging.



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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/12/2011 1:59:26 AM   
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The Germans continue to push towards Moscow but they make little progress. They suffeer heavily in the process.
On the rest of the front axis forces are slowly advancind, making some attack.
Kursk pocket was closed again.
Gates of crimea attacked again.
I have 7 guards divisions now.

I made some attacks all along the front. getting an additional 20 000 axis casualties for about the same numer of soviet casualties.
The flanks of the german advance towards moscow are lightly held. I managed to push him pack around rzev en kaluga.
His airbases lay open but i did not have enough movement to get there.
I moved plenty of cavalry armour brigades and various reinforcements there. There may be some opportunities.

i've isolated a couple of infantry divisions in the proces. One of the german mountain divisions has recieved multiple bashing along the campaign and is down to less than 5000 men.

There are now around 1600 panzers left with less than 1300 operational.

I feel the loss of industry though.




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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/12/2011 1:36:54 PM   
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The Germans  consolidated their lines.
In the Moscow area they ecacuated a couple of hexes. better than nothing.
with only one turn left before the mud, Moscow should be safe until snow.
south of Moscow I launched a few counterattacke bur less than previous turn. My units are rather worn out and many are now unready. Also all the new units arriving are drawing heavily on my manpower and production.

So I'm moving units forward and arranging my lines. With the arrival of so mant units my forces are badly diluted.

Losses are now about 600 000 germans against almost 2 500 000 Soviets.

so i'll see what's in store for the last clear turn.....


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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/12/2011 2:43:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice job to hang onto Moscow at this point. That will certainly help you through the winter to a point, but do be careful of a snow offensive there.

You will still likely have to move stuff out over the winter and in fact should start moving the factories that have not started up yet out as rail cap allows. (Those are marked with ** I think). The rest you should consider moving at some point.

I would also look to set aside some reserves and get them up to strength and ready to go in your Shock armies that are coming. You will need to do some damage on the Germans during the winter and it will be tough.

Just out of curiosity, what is your manpower situation like? (The number should be in the production screen towards the bottom).

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/13/2011 4:48:44 PM   
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The germanns have withrawn from in front of Moscow and are digging in all along the line.

western front is advancing in front of Moscow to liberate the evacuated ground.
reinforcements keep arriving.I ve been reorganising the armies and fronts that were largely mixed.

now some sort of organisation is emerging. Most front have 3 armies except for western front in front of Moscow which is massively overloaded.

Guards divisions keep poping.
i'm collecting them for the moment to build some strong reserve armies.
Same thing for the cavalry.

Tank and rifle brigades form a reserve position behind the front.They are slowly building up.

i'll collect the airborne and naval brigades together to make some specialised armies.

my numbers are growing regularly and many divisions are now ready.
Most units are still very much understrength but at least they can be used though they are fragile.
One assault is pretty much all they can sustain before switching to unready again.

The AI is stealing RR construction brigades from the armies to repair railroads. nothing against that except those construction brigades are the reaffected to the front while i want them to stay under army command.

This may prove a huge issue as it will make me waste a lot af precious APs on the long run. :(

also I've had a few routed divisions down in Crimea that do not seem to want to rally
Should I sent some NKVD security units to help remotivate them?

They've been on summer vacation in Crimea for other one month now.

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/13/2011 5:27:29 PM   
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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/13/2011 5:33:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		They were under Stavka command. moved them under some army command, but they're still routed. that's strange as those divisions are the only ones that don't rally and they've been there for quite some time.

Well i'll leave them in the beach resorts for a while.

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/14/2011 6:38:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting, you seem to have made a good recovery. Plan ahead for the shock armies. You cannot have a winter offensive everywhere, you have to concentrate your best units in the shock armies and have them in the right places when blizzard starts. And december is the best month for you, so you want to be in the starting blocks.

A screenshot would be nice.

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/14/2011 12:14:07 PM   
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Mud again.
Reinforcements are coming to the front. Ny numbers are growing regularly. just rached 5 000 000 men.
I keep organising the front line armies. 15 guards divisions by now.
Don't know if it's good or bad.

I'm pulling guards divisions off replacing them by reinforcement divisions.

the front is held by regular rifle divisions. Other units are held in reserve behind.
Rear area is a messs for the moment. I've been recieving SHAD airbases for a few turns now.
I'm upgrading a few fighter bomber units every turn to modern aircraft. I have hundreds of planes piling in in the pools yet my frontline keep flying biplane junk.

Don't know how auto upgrade works if it works at all, so I'm spending APs on that.
reconnaissance is scarce. I checked a VVs base and most heavy bomber units were had only a few operational planes left and were flying day missions; thought i had set them to night missions :(

Oh well. I moved some of them back to the pool to help with maintenance. How many heavy bomber units can you safely park on an aifield? I like to fill airbases to the max. this seems to work fine with fighter. Results seem less good with bombers though.

I disbanded a lot of air HQs and airbases early on. This helped free some manpower for the front line units




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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/14/2011 12:19:47 PM   
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collecting guards and cavalry behind the lines.
All the reinforcement brigade also stay behind drawing reinforcements.




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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/14/2011 12:38:02 PM   
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crimean skulkers still won't rally
i'm bringing in some reinforcements and shuffling units around.




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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/14/2011 6:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 21 not much to report.
reinforcement coming online, reorganisation......
north Caucasus MD turned to front, which gave me a gig boost in AP.
i spent some on some extra cavalry divisions It could be useful...
Upgraded a fexw fighter units and changes some arly leaders too.

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/14/2011 9:13:10 PM   
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snow has come.
the germans did not move, so i keep getting reinforcements in.
Some good units. but many still unready.
16 guards divisions now.

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/14/2011 10:58:07 PM   
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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/15/2011 11:25:03 AM   
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The germans launched an attack against my Crimean defenses and pushed my units.
Otherwise everything quiet.

I launched a few attacks along the front to test his defenses.
I managed to retreat a division and a few regiments but it was rather costly. I suffered 2 or 3 times the Axis losses.

volkov front arrived this turn. I will have to fill it. reinforcements keep coming in. I now have around 5 500 000 men about 3 500 000 of them are in infantry units.

reinforcing divisions keep filling the armies up to 12 divisions.
1st shock army now has a nice 12 guards divisions :)
My cavalry is grouped by threes. i'll be able to build about 20 cavalry corps.

Front HQs take the RR construction brigades from army HQs , Basically RR brigades are sent to repair damaged rail hexes and then get back to the front HQ instead of the Army HQ :( . This is annoying and I do not know how to avaoid this. so I reduced my building of Construction brigades and i have launched a campaign of sapper regiments building. I will need bothh RR brigades to to repair the railroads when I will be advancing towards berlin (wishful thinking can't hurt) and sappers for the combat units, so It's not a waste.

I keep upgrading I153 and I16 to better models. Mainly mig 3 and Lagg 3. I have plenty of aircraft in the pool. I'd be more than happy to shift part of my aicraft production into something more useful like tricks or armamament. Tanks should also be plentiful once the brigades will be filled.

I do not know what i will do with all those tank brigades. I'll turn a few of them into tank corps. I might disband the rest of them and build tank support units instead. Cavalry will provide me with about 20 mobile corps. but they will be short on tanks at first. I'm not sure whether tank and cavalry will mix very well and early tank corps will be rather weak and still somewhat short legged..........

More armament would be welcome to fill all those units.

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/15/2011 1:42:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like you are getting organized, which is good.

Some thoughts from the cheap seats:

Put some of that cav you plan on turning into corps into the shock armies. The extra moral will help them a lot.

Guards units in Shock Armies used to be really good because the bonus moral for each used to stack. That has since been nerfed. You only get the benefit of either the HQ OR the guards unit.

Having said that, I used to put about half guards and half regulars in shock armies. The idea was the guards were strong enough to "carry" the regulars to victory often enough that the shock armies would turn into "guards units generators". I would transfer out new guards divisions and transfer in fresh infantry. Of course, this only matters until you get a fair number of guards units and can't get any more because of the percentage limitations, but until then, it works fairly well. With the change, it makes sense to keep guards units in other armies and regular units in shock armies to a point to maximize the moral bonus to as many units as possible in your army.

Make sure your cav commanders have a good mech combat rating as I believe they are considered mech units.

Goodluck!

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/16/2011 11:34:24 AM   
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Germans did not move.
my infantry divisions concentrated on the frontline.
I launched a few attacks on some weak spots of the Axis line. They were succesfull but costly.
about 17000 axis losses against 50 000 soviet. That's not very promising.
I hope things will get better once blizzard strikes.

I have 32 infantry armies along the front. Not all of them are fully organized but there are enough divisions around to bring all of them to 12 divisions.  over 75% of the divisions are ready. However a few turns of heavy fighting would certainly change that.

I keep moving factories towards the rear.  Plenty of aircraft factories. 1000s of aircraft are going to pile up in the pools. I already have large stocks. Tanks should not be a problem once the leningrad and kharkow factories get back online and start expanding.

Trucks won't be a problem before mid 1943 as I turned all the tank and motorised divisions I could into static mode. My truck pool is full at the moment.

Armament will be the bottleneck. from 1943 on I'll probably have to disband all the artillery support units and turn them into on map divisions, unless the production multiples increase later on at the moment it's 300 per factory.

Manpower may also be scarce. i need several million more men fo fill my units so i have to be careful, soviets may seem like they can afford unlimited losses but they're quite tight on Manpower, so i have to be careful.

Pelton did not go for my army in 1941 so my losses have remained low so far. Also relatively few infantry divisions were lost and i lauched many succesful counterattacks during the summer. so I should soon get a good number of guards units. already 16 guards infantry divisions. by the end of the blizzard i should have many more. this is a top priority. 

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/16/2011 7:50:55 PM   
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The Germans reorganised their positions an regrouped their divisions.
My forces launched some attacks. Losses were heavy  68 000 soviets against 28 000 Germans.
however my troops were well rested  and had spent about two months refitting. German forces were forced to withdraw in most places. Only a couple of hold results for around 30 attacks so i hope they will suffer many more casualties during their turn. Cavalry divisions were organised into corps.
all available units were ordered forward to the front. 17 guards divisions by now.

Most success was south of Moscow. His positions are strong in front of Moscow and I did not attack. a few attacks by kalinin and NW front.

In the South Kharkow and the stalino group may be within reach. i'll see how things turn out. I have many fressh units behind the lines so I think i'll be able to push for a few turns before my offensive runs out of steam; i hope it will be enough to cause significant casualties to the axis forces and reduce their offensive capabiliteis for the summer.

somme armamnt factories are comming back online but i keep moving some stuff. so far a little over 200 armament factories running.

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/16/2011 8:12:02 PM   
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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/16/2011 8:20:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		just have a screenshot of the North for this turn and little happened there :(. here it comes though






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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/16/2011 8:30:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		in the north Leningrad front if facing the fins. It has theree armies It's still short of divisions though.
Infantry and tank brigades are all under stavka command at the moment.
Moscow defense zone arrived this turn....... in the Urals.
Apparently this gave a bosst of AP and I may have lost some as I started the turn with 500 APs.
Last turn I built some sapper regiments in the armies, but some were taken by the fronts :(
what do I need to do to keep support units in the armies?

SW front launched a few attacks.
Kalinin front liberated Rzev.
Moscow front launched a couple of attacks.

Most attacks were on the southern part of the Front. Over half of the axis frontline  was successfully assaulted.
Many units did 2 deliberate assaults so i was not able to advance in many places.

i can't maintainsuch an offensive for more than a few turns before my units get worn out. Hopefully it will be enough to break through the German defenses. Guards and cavalry are still fresh so there is some offensive power in reserve.

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/16/2011 9:03:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Given the rate at which Leningrad falls in most of these games - I wondered if it was worth, using the troops that remain in the north, keeping up the pressure on the Finns - since all told their army isn't that large, and try to wear them down over time?

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/17/2011 12:36:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		just finished my turn, plenty of reorganisation, took some sceenshots, pressed the end turn button and............
Stuck on sending no response :(

Spent over 4 hours on this one, looks like i'll have to do it all over again :(

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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/17/2011 12:36:49 PM   
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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/17/2011 12:42:23 PM   
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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/17/2011 1:05:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 27 I continued my attacks along the front. most attacks went well but a few very bloody repulses. Many German units were retreated again and some parts of the German front are getting weak.



I now have 26 guards divisions.

About two thirds of my frontline divisions are still ready. Weakened divisions have been put to refit on second line.

I'm pushing slowly. The aim is to cause as many casualties as possible while maintaining my losses low. Aan attack that goes badly gives a result like 150 German losses to 4000 soviet losses. so i do not want that to happen too often :(



Reinforcement divisions keep trickling to the front line armies.

A third army was taken from western front and assigned to the volkov front. I think I will assign the remaining armies to the Moscow MD and Moscow defense zone.



western front will then be free to take command of the shock armies, which still need to get organised. i'm grouping the cavalry corps into armies under stavka command.



I have three infantry armies in the line under stavka command between caucasus and SW front. waiting for an other front HQ to arrive and take command there.

As I get many retreat results the Germans should suffer quite a lot of casualties during the Attrition phase. Many German divisions are in rather bad shape. Some 1 CV infantry divisions starting to appear. i manages to get a few succesful hasty assaults. There are still some positions too strong for me to assault, but i can try to Bypass them. Those successes should bring me many additionnal guards units. aloso I may have some of my top army leaders promoted so That I'll be able to put them in charge of a front.

My manpower pool which was quite stable up to now has been growing heavily over the last couple of turns. Possible result of the offensive. With combat and attrition soviet and axis loss should be around 100 000 men a turn so far; So the red army suffers, but so does the Wehrmacht. the aim is to kick him har enough to delay the offensive in 1942. so far losses are about 3 000 000 soviets to 900 000 Germans.




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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/17/2011 1:09:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the center I suffered a few setbacks in front of Moscow . Bryansk front also suffered.
i'm regrouping the parachute brigades. I just recieved a big batch of them.
i'm taking the depleted divisions out of the line. however I recieve so many new units that there's little mapower left to reinforce front line units........




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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/17/2011 1:14:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The south has been quite successful so far. his units are worn down and I have cleared the fortified line.
I'm now within reach of Stalino.

the Crimea is quiet.
Naval infantry is concentrated around Krasnodar.




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RE: Arstavidios Vs Pelton Soviet perspective - 6/17/2011 2:11:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do not forget that you can make landings. A landing behind the German front can be a serious problem for the Germans. Unless you have agreed on any house rules, the Soviets have an enormous landing capability, you can easily land several divisions. Make sure you capture a port though, for the supply.

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