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*Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 1:57:39 AM   
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Attention all Allied Fanboys, Intel has just received the first pictures of the rumored IJN Battle-Carrier.




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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 2:05:01 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 2:18:45 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 2:30:26 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 2:40:26 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 3:04:52 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 3:07:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Too little AA, it'd be toast in the first DB attack not to mention you'd need a size 12 port to dock it. It'd make a heck of a bball court though as it looks to have the proper dimensions

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 6:28:23 AM   
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Too little AA, it'd be toast in the first DB attack not to mention you'd need a size 12 port to dock it. It'd make a heck of a bball court though as it looks to have the proper dimensions



I never thought about the DB attacks. It would attract them like flies on honey!

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 6:35:58 AM   
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*Flash Traffic*

Attention all Allied Fanboys, Intel has just received the first pictures of the rumored IJN Battle-Carrier.





Hmm, I may need to mod this into the game.

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 6:43:42 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 6:49:29 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 6:55:50 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 8:08:43 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 9:11:43 AM   
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As with all other similar "wonder supersize" weapons made "to alter the course of war" I think this would be colossal mistake and waste of resource... IMHO it would be absolutely useless in combat...


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Just imagine nice slow huge square to target with dive bombers... practically can't miss...


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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 9:27:00 AM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 2:23:16 PM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 2:49:44 PM   
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Is is a case of when one goes down, another goes up???


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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 2:51:15 PM   
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With this monster, KB would really merrit the label "Death Star"!



Until it took a large wave on the beam. Then it would be "Wet Star." The stability characteristics of those hull dimension ratios is a little suspect.

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 3:09:42 PM   
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Who built this? Pretty amazing use of spare time. Creative. I am willing to bet the builder was Japanese.

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 3:15:56 PM   
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Who built this? Pretty amazing use of spare time. Creative. I am willing to bet the builder was Japanese.


And an anime fanboy.

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 3:30:30 PM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 3:52:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wonder how many of you know about Project Habakkuk? In 1942 the British actually looked into building an aircraft carrier of immense proportions whose hull would be made of ice...that is Pykrete to be exact. Pykrete for those that don't know is simply Ice made with a percentage of sawdust in the water before it is frozen. Once it is frozen, it melts slower and is actually as hard or harder than concrete.

Had the HMS Habakkuk been built, it would probably have been as large or larger than the ship kit-bashed here, and would have been very difficult to sink, since bombs and torpedoes would have had a reduced impact on the ship (also bearing in mind that ice is less dense than water and naturally floats).

Very interesting idea at least.

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 4:18:23 PM   
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Wonder how many of you know about Project Habakkuk? In 1942 the British actually looked into building an aircraft carrier of immense proportions whose hull would be made of ice...that is Pykrete to be exact. Pykrete for those that don't know is simply Ice made with a percentage of sawdust in the water before it is frozen. Once it is frozen, it melts slower and is actually as hard or harder than concrete.

Had the HMS Habakkuk been built, it would probably have been as large or larger than the ship kit-bashed here, and would have been very difficult to sink, since bombs and torpedoes would have had a reduced impact on the ship (also bearing in mind that ice is less dense than water and naturally floats).

Very interesting idea at least.


I read about it many times (first about 30+ years ago when i was young boy eager to rad all about military history)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk


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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 4:26:07 PM   
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Why would the elevators rise up ABOVE the flight deck?
Is is a case of when one goes down, another goes up???



Silly....its protects the planes underneath from the BLAST DAMAGE everyone keeps whining about. The Japanese thought this one out......

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 4:31:01 PM   
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Which begs the question... the US Navy has studied several times the idea of using a catamaran or trimaran hull for aircraft carriers, given the huge area they can provide. Yet they always gave up on that and continued with the traditional single-hull carrier design that has been in place since 1950.

I've read the main concern has been about a catamaran's ability to resist asymetrical damage - problem a trimaran would certainly avoid. Anyone knows more about that?

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 4:32:06 PM   
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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 4:53:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		10 ELEVATORS? What a waste of space!

Also, seems that radar equipment is seriously lacking. And guns are in questionable pattern.

Why there are no crew on deck? And where are lifeboats?

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 5:38:41 PM   
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Why would the elevators rise up ABOVE the flight deck?
Is is a case of when one goes down, another goes up???



The elevator has two floors. Two planes at a time load onto it from two different hanger decks, then it unloads them on the flight deck one at a time!

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 5:44:38 PM   
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Why would the elevators rise up ABOVE the flight deck?
Is is a case of when one goes down, another goes up???



Spring launch mechanism for the new Japanese VTOL planes.

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RE: *Flash Traffic* - 6/17/2011 6:29:22 PM   
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Why would the elevators rise up ABOVE the flight deck?
Is is a case of when one goes down, another goes up???



The elevator has two floors. Two planes at a time load onto it from two different hanger decks, then it unloads them on the flight deck one at a time!


As actually installed in Kaga. Readily apparent in the frequently reproduced shot of KdB en route Hawaii.

I guess that construction of such a ship IRL would have posed some 'interesting' problems for the shipyard.

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