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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/13/2011 2:25:31 AM   
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I also just learned that Battlefront released a demo of CM Normandy. No one on this board even mentioned anything. Where are you guys when I need you
I am going to download and try it. But I don't have high hopes. CM SF was one of the most disappointing and downright awful war games I have ever played. And the asking price of $60 already puts me off.


Tell me if you change your mind. Because CMSF is a superb wargame at its current state (not when it was released). And if you like CMBN, that's because of the improvements and lessons learned from CMSF through the years.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/13/2011 6:08:14 AM   
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I also just learned that Battlefront released a demo of CM Normandy. No one on this board even mentioned anything. Where are you guys when I need you
I am going to download and try it. But I don't have high hopes. CM SF was one of the most disappointing and downright awful war games I have ever played. And the asking price of $60 already puts me off.


Tell me if you change your mind. Because CMSF is a superb wargame at its current state (not when it was released). And if you like CMBN, that's because of the improvements and lessons learned from CMSF through the years.


I downloaded it and installed it but have ran out of energy for the night. I had to watch my brothers kids for a few hours tonight because he had to work late and cover for someone who was sick. To go from never being around kids to watching a 10 and 6 year old is quite an experience
My GF enjoyed it though. I told her not to get any ideas

I was on the CMSF beta team and did not even enjoy the game. I felt like it was rushed to release since I remember back around the time of release they had to meet a deadline so that the game would be released through retail. Then it turns out like six months later you could get the game retail for a fraction of the price.

I will try it tomorrow since I have the day off. I will definitely play it an open mind. But even if I like it the high price tag puts me off.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/13/2011 7:06:16 PM   
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And the asking price of $60 already puts me off.


One problem I won't have. Having experienced Moon's idea of 'customer service' recently I wouldn't pay them $6, let alone $60.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/13/2011 7:50:20 PM   
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And the asking price of $60 already puts me off.


One problem I won't have. Having experienced Moon's idea of 'customer service' recently I wouldn't pay them $6, let alone $60.



Some small companies have it, and others don't. I have seen it with big companies as well.
One of the biggest problems I have seen if letting developers onto the forums in a customer service role. Programmers and the like don't have the best people skills. A few do but most don't. Also since most of the customer service revolves around something they themselves designed and programmed and most people asking for help are frustrated and short on manners then it becomes just an all around bad situation.
I think if it can be afforded, it is best to appoint someone on the business end of the company to handle public relations or if your company can't afford it then to appoint someone from the forum to handle customer support requests.

I am threatening to get my own thread off topic though

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/14/2011 12:22:49 AM   
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In the last few years I've gradually shifted over to board wargames and LOTRO....



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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/14/2011 12:52:47 AM   
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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/14/2011 11:33:09 AM   
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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/14/2011 2:46:47 PM   
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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/15/2011 2:04:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't bought a game for full retail/release price in several years.

Lately, I've only been buying games for $5-10 via the excellent sales offered by online sellers like Steam, Impulse, Gamersgate, etc.

I'd be just as happy to buy them from Matrix, but they never seem to have sales as good as the competition.

For example, WW1 Gold is currently on sale for $5.99 on Impulse but it's never been that low here :(


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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/16/2011 1:34:20 PM   
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I haven't bought a game for full retail/release price in several years.

Lately, I've only been buying games for $5-10 via the excellent sales offered by online sellers like Steam, Impulse, Gamersgate, etc.

I'd be just as happy to buy them from Matrix, but they never seem to have sales as good as the competition.

For example, WW1 Gold is currently on sale for $5.99 on Impulse but it's never been that low here :(

Generally it tends to alienate audiences from non-western countries as a lot of people there buy games after they reach prices of 5-15$ due to how much work it costs there (it's as much work as 30-45$ in US anyway), not at release prices.
On one local strategy game forum that I'm on there is was discussion only about WitP, WPO and Decisive Battles series and SPWaW when it comes to Matrix Games because they were released through local publisher at affordable price.
Practically no one here plays other Matrix Games titles due to how expensive they are.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/16/2011 2:10:28 PM   
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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/20/2011 12:12:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let's see... I do sometimes pick up the bargains when they are bargains. Mostly, it's because I just didn't have the time to get it when it first came out. I have picked up both Mass Effects on sale. I have only been playing the 1st one so far.

Games I have paid full price for - WiTP-AE, WiTE, CoG:EE.

There are sooooo many games out there that tickle my fancy but I usually talk myself out of them based on price and time to play them. I do not have any issues (yet) in buying any games that I want. I find 400-600 a little much, but I'm probably not that far behind if I really sat down and calculated it out.

Right now I'm playing World of Tanks (Yeah  I've actually paid a little for gold (about $30 so far), although the basic is free) and I'm also playing Everquest Emulator which is free. I'm not sure if we are supposed to talk about that, but Sony knows about it (they have to have heard about it) so I'm not sure how bad a thing it is. I play on the server that is classic to Kunark.

I'm very intrigued by Battlefront CM-Normandy, but I'm a little put off by their activation scheme (and I wasn't sure if we were even supposed to discuss that here, either). The people on the forums act like it is a good game so far.


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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/20/2011 5:08:45 AM   
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Let's see... I do sometimes pick up the bargains when they are bargains. Mostly, it's because I just didn't have the time to get it when it first came out. I have picked up both Mass Effects on sale. I have only been playing the 1st one so far.

Games I have paid full price for - WiTP-AE, WiTE, CoG:EE.

There are sooooo many games out there that tickle my fancy but I usually talk myself out of them based on price and time to play them. I do not have any issues (yet) in buying any games that I want. I find 400-600 a little much, but I'm probably not that far behind if I really sat down and calculated it out.

Right now I'm playing World of Tanks (Yeah  I've actually paid a little for gold (about $30 so far), although the basic is free) and I'm also playing Everquest Emulator which is free. I'm not sure if we are supposed to talk about that, but Sony knows about it (they have to have heard about it) so I'm not sure how bad a thing it is. I play on the server that is classic to Kunark.

I'm very intrigued by Battlefront CM-Normandy, but I'm a little put off by their activation scheme (and I wasn't sure if we were even supposed to discuss that here, either). The people on the forums act like it is a good game so far.




I played the CM Normandy demo and enjoyed it. It still feels somewhat clunky and disjointed but it has improved by leaps and bounds over CMSF.

However, there is simply no way in hell I am going to pay $60 for the game. $40 would be the upper limits of what I would spend on it. I simply don't feel like it is a 60 dollar effort.

It will probably be another title that I bargain hunt down the road. Besides I am sure there will be the inevitable flood of modules that include the British, Free French, Polish, French Resistance, Elite units of the Panzer SS, Ear and Stomach Battalions and the hypothetical 'What if the British Home Guard landed with the first assault wave?'

My Steam wish list has grown to 14 games. The summer sale cannot get here fast enough. Time to stock up

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/20/2011 8:43:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		What always puzzles me about discussions like this is the emphasis on purchase price as opposed to the time cost of learning and actually playing the game(s). (Not to mention all the background reading. I always do that with my games. Adds to the immersiveness.)

For me, the true cost of a game is all the time I put into it. The money cost pales in comparison.

Life is really so very short. Which is why I have trimmed my play list so. Tired of wasting both money and time.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/27/2011 4:30:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would be more than happy to pay full price for wargames running on Mac or Linux. Looking at the statistics for the ("pay what you want") Humble Indie Bundles you will see that Linux users always pays a lot more, followed by Mac users, and Windows users way behind, so I guess I am not alone in being desperate for more non-Windows games.

Will probably buy more games from Matrix, even for Windows, as long as I know it will run in WINE and there is no DRM-worries. DRM-free can be worth a few $10 extra, or more (plus it is also a nice thing to support).

Other than that it is almost only gog.com for me in the last few years.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/27/2011 4:47:29 PM   
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'What if the British Home Guard landed with the first assault wave?'


It would have to be the Walmington on Sea platoon

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 5/27/2011 7:16:50 PM   
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I would be more than happy to pay full price for wargames running on ... Linux ...

Will probably buy more games from Matrix, even for Windows, as long as I know it will run in WINE and there is no DRM-worries. DRM-free can be worth a few $10 extra, or more (plus it is also a nice thing to support).

+1

From now on, I will only purchase, and play, games that I can run on Linux WINE. Or possibly run in Linux virtualized Windows XP. I'm at the end of the line with Windows. Also strong, invasive DRM.

No mas!

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/28/2011 6:29:47 AM   
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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/28/2011 4:21:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a compulsion to buying games. That said, it's about value to me. If There are 2 games, one is on sale for $10 but has activation limits, the other is $30 but I actually own the game and can install and uninstall it as many times as I want then I will buy the $30 game.

The way sales are now days it makes little sense to buy right away. I bought Shogun 2 and Retribution at full and they both went half off about 2 months later. Then there was the time I bought Making History 2 at Matrix at $40 and the next morning, THE NEXT FRICKIN' MORNING, it went on a half off sale.

Wait for the sale.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/28/2011 9:36:39 PM   
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'What if the British Home Guard landed with the first assault wave?'


It would have to be the Walmington on Sea platoon


I'd give 'em the cold steel! (They do NOT like it up 'em!) ...stupid boy.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/28/2011 10:55:50 PM   
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I will make an exception for Elder Scrolls V Skrym. I'm a huge Bethesda fanboy. I'll be getting that game on launch day!

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/29/2011 1:27:56 AM   
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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/29/2011 12:49:00 PM   
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I hardly ever buy and if I did it wouldn't be full price(exception Ageod).


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Well I'm waiting for the sale with Pride of Nations. $20 USD for a full featured grand strategy game? Maybe when it's more affordable. Say around $5.
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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/29/2011 2:26:48 PM   
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What always puzzles me about discussions like this is the emphasis on purchase price as opposed to the time cost of learning and actually playing the game(s). (Not to mention all the background reading. I always do that with my games. Adds to the immersiveness.)

For me, the true cost of a game is all the time I put into it. The money cost pales in comparison.

Life is really so very short. Which is why I have trimmed my play list so. Tired of wasting both money and time.


My thoughts exactly.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/30/2011 6:15:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I often consider buying games like Points of Attack 2 or Battles from the Bulge but one things that really puts me off is that despite very high price I just get the program on disk or as a download but no printed documentation.

I sometimes buy old games on ebay and sometimes they reach prices of such games, but they offer much greater experience. They come in good looking full cardboard boxes and have full printed documentation. I bought Falcon 4.0 a few months ago and it came with about 400 pages of documentation and in a great looking box that stands on my shelf.
Now I just received M1 Tank Platoon and it also has a great looking box and a 200 page manual.

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 6/30/2011 10:25:20 PM   
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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 7/1/2011 6:20:35 AM   
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Uh oh .... Steam sale..... 


Bring on the destruction of the bank balances!

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RE: Not paying full price for games any more - 7/1/2011 8:43:32 PM   
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Uh oh .... Steam sale..... 


It's taking the fear of The Wife to curb my desire and even that excuse is a struggle!

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