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Its the Weather and more. - 7/3/2011 6:19:02 PM   
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STOP! Don't read unless you have a sense of Humor.

The overall air model forces me to suspend my knowledge of history and embrace my sci-fi side.

Russian All weather aircraft reign supremo. Axis aircraft are mostly anemic except for the tiny ill produced Finn air force. Only during clear weather does the axis war machine spread fear of flying. But only initially. After the 1st week beatdown, getting it up and flying is easy.

Summertime the flying weather is grand. Finding targets is easy peasy. Flying home np. The downside. Axis sharks eat soviet flying piranha. The axis maw is only so big and the piranha are many.

Bad weather coming? Put down that umbrella, take off the fur-coat, strap on some goggles and take off on short ride in a I-15.

Inclement weather? Gonna be harsh flying from now on.

For the axis,.

That pesky Finn air force can be smothered if needed. Or left alone in its cage to the north.

Global climate disruption and superior aircraft design has made the perfect storm of the Soviet Air Forces. What was once an obstacle to flying, enhances the odds of good things happening. More planes fly, bombs are more accurate, AAA is feeble, axis fighters mostly don't fly, and if they do, well sacrifices must be made.

My little I-15 , open cockpit plane, can fly hundreds of miles, in all sorts of inclement weather. Arrive on time with hundreds of other aircraft, and carry out any sort of mission needed by STAVKA.

Raining, np just bomb cities with advanced infrared sights. Crater airfields with cluster and air fuel bombs of People's tech. Snow flakes and freezing conditions may impede ground forces, but not planes. Strafe and Bomb with radar guidance and gps tracking. Never get lost on the way to and from the target. Blizzard is happy weather for the soviet piranha . Heck, cook up some pancakes, back in a mad minute.

Crater airfields, bomb units then settle down for breakfast, before going on another 20+ missions. If we see 10 axis sharks, salute them and keep flying, its just an attempt to humor Goering. The superior flying skillz of the Red Air force are on parade come rain and snow.
Mud, Snow, Blizzard, the three goddess of the Red Air Force.

AAA is dangerous? Fires triple the rate. 100's of guns firing at every pass. Lets call it what it is, FFF, Feeble Flak Fire. During "bad" weather, AAA gunners have fogged up un-calibrated optics. Open cockpit planes just turn on the wipers and activate the lazer sighting on top of their flying helmets.

Flying during inclement weather is far safer than in clear. Fighters seldom intercept, most pilots heading for the slit trench. Planes sit fat on the fields waiting for love from above. Fighters and bombers parked on lovers lane, erupt in fiery passion as bombs pierce the cold, wet skies. No such thing as ground fog, mist or even artificial smoke.

Space: Above and Beyond, meet the east front. The best of both worlds, literally thousands of elite all purpose, all weather, Peoples Air Force. Able to overcome the obstacles of inclement weather and trained for any mission. "It's easy as eatin' a pancake." And that's before Guard status is bestowed.

Just throw hundreds of planes into the air, laugh at the feeble AAA fire, knowing deep down, the weather should have stopped you, but your state of mind is in suspended animation. The only hope the axis have is a huge sucking sound of a Black Hole appearing. Yep that's gonna happen.

Not a distraction, not a force multiplier that it should be, entertainment is what we have. Its gold. Love it or hate it, its all we have.

I apologize to all those gronards, bitching and moaning forced to read my ill fated attempt at humor. Sorry for forcing people to think about what the air facet of the game looks like to me. Denial has not worked. It just prolongs the entertainment. Just like making pancakes, the 1st one is never perfect, It takes a cast iron skillet, heat, butter and patience. Enjoy your pancakes while they are hott.

Great game.

Could we see some weather vs plane improvements someday?

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RE: Its the Weather and more. - 7/3/2011 10:23:58 PM   
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Mmm! and here i am reading stumbling colossus were Glantz writes about the soviet lack of training in bad weather flying.

you forgot one thing

the airforce should only be half as effective in winter, guess why

because there is only half as much daylight !!!!!

and blizzard conditions should shut down the airfields, simple really

this could apply to ground forces as well or did they launch huge panzer attacks etc in darkness.

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RE: Its the Weather and more. - 7/3/2011 10:37:45 PM   
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Ah! perhaps i should read the manual but it appears that micro managing your airforce is broken wheras more planes fly if you let the AI do it.

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RE: Its the Weather and more. - 7/3/2011 10:47:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: davetheroad
Mmm! and here i am reading stumbling colossus were Glantz writes about the soviet lack of training in bad weather flying.
you forgot one thing the airforce should only be half as effective in winter, guess why
because there is only half as much daylight !!!!!
and blizzard conditions should shut down the airfields, simple really
this could apply to ground forces as well or did they launch huge panzer attacks etc in darkness.


If only i knew that before writing.
thanks for the reply.


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RE: Its the Weather and more. - 7/4/2011 2:52:52 AM   
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Here is the latest Russian Aircraft design, circa 1940.




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RE: Its the Weather and more. - 7/4/2011 5:07:20 PM   
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Turn 50 Weather Mud
Axis AF forecast, Double helping of pancakes topped with real butter and plenty of syrup.
Breakfast is served.





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RE: Its the Weather and more. - 7/4/2011 7:47:41 PM   
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Scook_99 found our super secret Russian all purpose all use aero device! Yes, flown by Russian zombies that feel no pain, no cold, no blizzard, no mud grinding down the Luftwaffe in wave after wave attacks! Now if we can make land units work so well...


In War hunter and mine PBEM game the German flak is anemic, the bad weather improves the Soviet air power ability beyond US 8th Air force (IMHO), the more waves you fly the more the German fights stay grounded as well as the flaky flak (it fires but nothing) . The super duper Finns get grounded down as well. For starters, lower the Soviet air experience points (including Guards) and bump up German flak. And increase % mission cancelled severe weather to cut down on waves of air bombing.

ML

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RE: Its the Weather and more. - 7/4/2011 8:15:05 PM   
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I think a similar problem affects winter affects of ground combat - true the Germans suffered more technical problems due to equipment design, yet these could be overcome without much trouble with alert huts, and transferring hot water from one radiator to the next from a single alert vehicle.

What hampers both forces is the affect of cold on troops - Russians are not immune from frostbite, weakness due to poor food and cold weather, and if they have any advantage in this regard it is that the pitiful conditions the peasants operated in weren't as far from 'civilised' life as for their town based colleagues or German troops... the actual conditions in the front-lines were sufficiently bad to reduce the effectiveness of both forces, the only difference being in degree, and impact of first few days/weeks on frontline strength.

Taking 2000 casualties per day as a baseline for DNBI (sent rear of the unit boundary) during the first summer (August may have been lower, but this may in part be due to high combat casualties - sick troops being perhaps more often 'lost' during movement/retreat) - December DNBI were only 2x the baseline with a steady fall back to 2000 per day by February.

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RE: Its the Weather and more. - 7/5/2011 7:10:14 AM   
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Bombing Axis Air fields brings the added pleasure of seeing soviet air groups attain guard status.

40 Guard groups. The most interesting statistic is not a single fighter group has attained Guard status. All 40 are bomber groups. All in less than a year.

Can anyone answer this.
What was the 1st group to attain guard status?
How many Air groups were bestowed guard status by May of 1942?





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