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Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 3:59:25 PM   
Red Prince


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Status: offline 		This is directed at those of you who have a lot of experience playing WiF FE (or earlier) over the table. I have never been involved in an ongoing game; I've been cutting my teeth here with MWiF. I know several others are using CWiF to get ready for both MWiF and over the table games. So . . .

I've always wondered what you do, particularly late in the game when there are lots of units on the map and in pools, at the end of a session. Do you leave the maps and counters where they are (and hope no cats invade the maps)? Or do you record every last detail about the maps and pools and counters on paper? If the latter, this must take a great deal of time at the beginning and the end of a game session, doesn't it?

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 4:12:47 PM   
HansHafen

 

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Status: offline 		We just left our game hanging on the wall til next session! We taped all the counters and used putty to stack them in the hexes. Worked pretty well.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 4:29:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have purchased lots of counter magnets. The maps are magnetized and the counters hold. So, we can have the maps in a closet after a gaming night. Excuse my english.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 4:32:24 PM   
Red Prince


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We have purchased lots of counter magnets. The maps are magnetized and the counters hold. So, we can have the maps in a closet after a gaming night. Excuse my english.

As far as I can tell your English is just fine.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 4:53:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I used to have a game room, now Mother-in Laws room, we just left everything out...

Now we play at a buddies and at the end of the night just put our dice down on the pacific/africa map then stack the European on top. Our maps are mounted on blister board with a sheet of see through plastic on top.

The production, task force, and America map we put on another table.

At the end of the night, when we move the European map, it is pretty much tradition for whoever looks like to be losing, to pretend to drop it...still hasn't happened...yet.

Just as an aside, the game we are playing right now is in the middle of M/J '44 and looks like it is going to come right down the the wire in J/A'45. I can't remember the last game we've had to play right to the end.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 4:53:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Red Prince

This is directed at those of you who have a lot of experience playing WiF FE (or earlier) over the table. I have never been involved in an ongoing game; I've been cutting my teeth here with MWiF. I know several others are using CWiF to get ready for both MWiF and over the table games. So . . .

I've always wondered what you do, particularly late in the game when there are lots of units on the map and in pools, at the end of a session. Do you leave the maps and counters where they are (and hope no cats invade the maps)? Or do you record every last detail about the maps and pools and counters on paper? If the latter, this must take a great deal of time at the beginning and the end of a game session, doesn't it?

For us, the game used to hang on for 9 months on its table, in my garage.
No way to note the position of counters, there are hundreds of them.
We just took pictures at the end of the session in case some damage occured, but the garage used to be locked out to keep kids & pets at bay.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 4:54:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		We use masonite underlays and plexiglass tops over the individual maps and they are placed carefully in a specially bult storage cabinet in between sessions. Fortunately we play at one player's home that has the space required for all this. Two 6 foot folding tables set at 90 degree angles let us place all the maps and the spiral.

Of course a computer game avoids all this space usage and the actual play is much easier as well. The one thing missing from the computer game is the worldwide overview possible when using the cardboard game.

Lars

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 8:08:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The game is in a dedicated area of the basement and remains set-up there session-to-session. No kids or pets at home.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 8:11:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		When we used to play fifteen(!) years ago - pre-children and when work was less stressful - I was able to dedicate a room in the house just to World In Flames and many a Saturday was given over - in its entirety - to this great game. This free room meant the game could remain out indefinitely, which was great for planning your next moves between wargaming sessions. Not that that helped much as I was complete rubbish at WIF .

Never mind, I won the odd game here and there, and regardless, they were happy days indeed .

Those days are well and truly over (Mrs Warspite and the little Warspitettes seem unwilling to have a whole room given over to "daddy's war stuff"......

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 8:26:49 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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Status: offline 		I have two 5' by 2.5' butcher block tables with very sturdy stainless steel legs (2 centered posts, each of which branches out to 2 widely separated feet). On top of the maps I have 4 sheets of polished 1/4" glass (2.5' square) which hold the maps down to the table so they do not move. The units (and drinks) go on top of the glass. This prevents spilled drinks from changing the terrain on the map. The dice have a lovely bounce when dropped on the glass. Articulated lights can be clamped to the table, providing good lighting wherever it is needed.

If the game has to be "put away" the 4 glass sheets are stacked on top of each other - using dice as separators. The maps can then be folded up and put back in the box, so the only space needed is 2.5' square, since the tables can also be disassembled easily. Reassembly requires making sure the maps are returned to precisely the same place, so the eastern front doesn't drift a couple of hexes one way or the other. A game takes months to play and accumulates dust over time (and snack food crumbs). So it's good that glass is easier to clean that cardboard. Although when doing that, the pieces have to be moved just a few stacks at a time so they can be returned to their correct hex.

Alas, since I moved to Hawaii 15 years ago, the tables and glass have been sitting in a closet.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 8:59:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is great stuff! Very creative . . .
(Rob, just wait until the youngsters hit college . . . maybe then?)

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 9:11:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		For us there was the attic (before marriages, children etc.) and we also used plexiglass. To cover the game between sessions, we had some wooden blocks (childrentoys) and plates accross it. One problem however with the attic: in summer, it was very, very hot there...

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 9:52:24 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

For us there was the attic (before marriages, children etc.) and we also used plexiglass. To cover the game between sessions, we had some wooden blocks (childrentoys) and plates accross it. One problem however with the attic: in summer, it was very, very hot there...

Plexiglass has the advantage of being lighter, cheaper, and less fragile, but it scratches rather easily. I speak from experience since we used plexiglass before we switched to glass.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 10:01:21 PM   
bo

 

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Status: offline 		Red I am also having a terrible time with my CWIF unit counters getting lost and falling on the floor or the cat pawing them, ooops, now I know they were destroyed by my opposition [me] Come on Steve get going so these dedicated WIF players can sell their useless old WIF board game on E-bay or if there really old, on Antique road show at auction I am really amazed how you gentlemen played this game only because of the huge number of counters and a lot of complicated rules but then, that is what separated this game from all the other board games.

Bo

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 11:31:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		There have been bigger games with even more counters. The Europa series comes to mind. But WiF was always the best monster game.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/6/2011 11:42:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my gaming group, one of the members has a huge heated basement that we can leave the game set up in. We set up the Americas map and also the African map.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/7/2011 3:24:45 AM   
Zenra


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Status: offline 		We have a very large, finished third floor where our group used to play. I built four 3 foot by 4 foot tables with the paper maps covered in plexiglass. Between sessions these were stacked off to the side of the room. Accidents did happen, but pictures taken at the end of each session helped iron out any disputes during reconstruction. To me, management of this issue will be one of the great benefits of MWIF, and MWIF will help render the great game of WiF more accessible to more players.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/7/2011 8:05:24 AM   
Joseignacio


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Status: offline 		We use to play only with the European map, sometimes the Asia map instead but very few times all of them.

We play in several places and we always cover the maps with plastic: one of them was the basement of a Chalet just outside Madrid, where nobody entered except the guy whose family lived there (no pets, no kids, ...), another place was a dedicated room at a friend's which proved to be uncomfortable and too small, another place is the flat of another of us, who live like 40 miles out of town, he has a system of wooden sheets that the maps are set on, and they fit one on another and finally under one of beds.

Sometimes we have played at my own home, and the European map and the rest of the stuff was tightly set on a 2 x 2 yards' table and stayed there for the necessary months. now I have cats so this is impossible.

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/8/2011 6:16:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		We play in a game club (most of the game are with miniatures, especially middle age), with the maps on 5 tables. At the end of the session (one per week) the tables are on a pile (with small block od wood beetween every table) and then over a big cupboard; all the cupboard in the club are full of games or war book (even italian or english).

This is a couple of pictures from our game: lebensraum scenario, classic WiF (no expansions):








This was Jul/Aug 1942.


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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/8/2011 6:50:53 PM   
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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/8/2011 6:57:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marcejap

We play in a game club (most of the game are with miniatures, especially middle age), with the maps on 5 tables. At the end of the session (one per week) the tables are on a pile (with small block od wood beetween every table) and then over a big cupboard; all the cupboard in the club are full of games or war book (even italian or english).

This is a couple of pictures from our game: lebensraum scenario, classic WiF (no expansions):








This was Jul/Aug 1942.

Warspite1

NOOOOOOO!!

I could not play like that!! Maybe I have some sort of ...ism or something, but when I played, the counters had to be neat and tidy and facing the same way Those pictures are just plain wrong

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/8/2011 7:11:57 PM   
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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/8/2011 7:27:58 PM   
Centuur


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: marcejap

We play in a game club (most of the game are with miniatures, especially middle age), with the maps on 5 tables. At the end of the session (one per week) the tables are on a pile (with small block od wood beetween every table) and then over a big cupboard; all the cupboard in the club are full of games or war book (even italian or english).

This is a couple of pictures from our game: lebensraum scenario, classic WiF (no expansions):








This was Jul/Aug 1942.

Warspite1

NOOOOOOO!!

I could not play like that!! Maybe I have some sort of ...ism or something, but when I played, the counters had to be neat and tidy and facing the same way Those pictures are just plain wrong

I agree: "Ordnung muss sein!"

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RE: Questions about WiF over the Table - 7/9/2011 9:02:19 AM   
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NOOOOOOO!!

I could not play like that!! Maybe I have some sort of ...ism or something, but when I played, the counters had to be neat and tidy and facing the same way Those pictures are just plain wrong



"Organization" is an unknow word, down here.

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