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Allied Grand Campaign Questions - no Bandkanon - 7/12/2011 1:23:48 AM   
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Hello everyone, I am playing as the Allies in my first PBEM. In fact, this is my first game other than playing a few turns against the AI in the shorter scenarios. My opponent, Bandkanon, is relatively more experienced than I am and has created a thread about our game as well (of course I did not open the thread, but the fact that he created it is a bit intimidating). The strategic situation seems unusual and leaves me a bit aimless as to my current opportunities and long-term goals.

It is March 9, 1942.

Bandkanon decided to strike Manila first turn instead of the more standard Pearl Harbor attack. Additionally we agreed that Force Z didn't have to charge off to their deaths. Because of this, the only surface forces I've lost are 6 DDs, 2 CL, and CA Chester. His losses are also relatively light, but he let miniKB (killing those 2 CL and a DD of mine) stray too close to divebombers at Java and he lost a CVL and a CVE and a few escorts. I've been using relatively expendable CLs with 4-6 DDs to raid from Java with some pretty good success, but it won't be too long before he catches the two TFs and ends this. I intend to use the BBs to shutdown airfields and absorb damage when I do my island campaigns, but is there anything I should be doing with my surface assets other than these things?

Adding to the peculiarity of our game, I pulled most of the men and planes from Singapore, Palembang, Burma, and the surrounding Dutch areas to Java. I also reinforced Java with some of the Burma and Singapore relief forces and the US planes that arrive at Brisbane which are set to withdraw on March 14, 1942. He has taken Merak with two divisions and has a small SNLF unit wandering around in the interior, but he seems content to just sit there. My air forces other than the relatively useless dutch bombers and the patrol planes are pretty much depleted. Although he has about 800 AV at Merak, I have about 1450 AV at Batavia and 1350 AV at Soerabaja - I'm getting the impression he's just going to bypass Java and hit somewhere else. I'm not sure he isn't going to land more men and I'm also not too confident in the ability of 2200 AV of mostly Dutch forces to take on his 800 AV especially considering he'll be bombing and bombarding me. Any suggestions for what to do here?

He has taken Wake Island, a couple of the Gilbert Islands, some of the Solomon Islands, Port Moresby (with KB covering), most of Sumatra (including Palembang with no damage), Singapore, Rangoon (and he's pushing through Burma quickly - I'm going to stop and try to hold at Katha, where I've had engineers building forts for a while now), he has my men at Clark Field and Bataan running low on supplies, and he's gradually taking bases on Celebes, and the rest of the DEI, unopposed. Both of us are playing passively and somewhat cautiously, but it's not entirely impossible that he'll try to invade India/Ceylon or northern Australia. My carriers are all either at Aden/Capetown for the British or the West Coast for the US. Although it's not very exciting, I can't foresee a situation where the potential reward of having my carriers active justifies the risks - especially considering how well guarded all my opponent's landings are.

I'm being completely outplayed in China. My opponent seems much more adept at land maneuvering and the Japanese seem to have all the advantages in this theater. His forces already occupy Yenan, Loyang, Chengchow, all the coastal cities, Wuchow, and Nanyang. Although we have had some fighting here, I've perhaps foolishly preserved much of my forces instead of forcing him to dislodge me. He's currently positioning to pressure IChang, Changsa and Sian. Since all three of those fronts are connected by rail lines for him, I'm unsure how to go about defending each of these. The intuitive answer seems to be to try to launch counter offensives in whichever of the two areas he depletes to focus his thrust, but the supply situation is very poor. Anyone have any suggestions for what I should do in China?

My plans: I'm building up Adak island to allow for potential harassment or invasions up in the north. I currently garrison and fortify Christmas Island and Pago Pago along the route between Australia and Pearl. Pearl Harbor, India, and Australia are constantly being brought supplies and fuel - I'm keeping the fuel in Abadan pretty low, Capetown has very little, and the arrivals at Aden are being brought to India. I currently plan to invade the Marshall Islands in late July of 1942. It seems that there's a lull in carrier arrivals from July 1942 to March of 43 so it appears to be the intuitive time to try to force a carrier engagement - especially considering the US CVs have an upgrade that finishes right before then. I hope to be able to have land based aircraft operating from the islands taken to give me a substantial advantage in the resultant CV battle. I'll have many battleships nearby to hopefully eat some of the torpedoes if it comes to that as well. Anyone have any comments about my plans or any suggestions about something significant I may be missing? Am I playing too passively?

Thank you for any advice and thank you for reading this ridiculously long post .
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RE: Allied Grand Campaign Questions - no Bandkanon - 7/12/2011 3:20:17 AM   
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Well, asking for advice like this is too general. There is just too much to tell you. Better for you to go to the AAR forums and start reading AARs from both sides. You will really pick up a lot of good tips by doing this and see how experienced players play and think. I recommend waiting a day or two before sending your next turn and doing some reading. The game is forgiving to the Allied player but you need to start thinking about the long term and where you want to be in six months. The AARs will help. China is the one place where if you mess up early then you are going to be in a whole lot of trouble later. An aggressive Japanese player can keep you on the ropes and over run the whole place fast. Pull back until you get to good defensive terrain (that means half of China is lost) and then start fighting for every inch.

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RE: Allied Grand Campaign Questions - no Bandkanon - 7/12/2011 3:33:32 AM   
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crsutton -

Original:

"It is a known historical fact that the player who is currently getting his ass whipped will complain the loudest."

CR - the above would most definitely apply to me - on more than one occasion.

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RE: Allied Grand Campaign Questions - no Bandkanon - 7/12/2011 11:56:58 AM   
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Welcome GoTaurig - crsutton is right. Your questions are just too broad to answer succinctly. The specific actions you should be taking right now should be tied to your overall strategic plan for the war. There are many, many strategies available to you to conduct the war which means there are just as many tactical paths to get there. You could play 'turtle' and hide your forces until mid-1943 when you begin to build overwhelming force (a boring game), or you could decide to take the initiative yourself and throw a monkey wrench into Japan's expansionist plans. See Canoerebel's AAR against Chez for a fine example of this approach. Whatever you choose, your specific actions should be designed to further your overall strategic plan. Make a strategic decision early then implement it through tactical actions designed to further the strategic plan.

With respect to China, I would recommend withdrawing your forces from the open terrain around Loyang and falling back into the wooded and hilly hexes closer to Sian. Defense in open terrain is hopeless early on, and the terrain bonuses will help you hold on. Same thing down south around Wenchow (Sp). Fall back to favorable defensive terrain. This will give you the interior lines of communication which aids your defense, and ultimately, allows you to focus your offensive forces at a time and place of your choosing. Just my $.02. Good luck!

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RE: Allied Grand Campaign Questions - no Bandkanon - 7/12/2011 12:19:38 PM   
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My $.02 -- get your carriers off of the West Coast. Try to keep them hidden, but get them closer to the action so that when your opponent eventually leaves you an opening -- and he will, no one plays a perfect game -- it will take you less than 2 weeks to get there.

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RE: Allied Grand Campaign Questions - no Bandkanon - 7/12/2011 7:29:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mac Linehan

crsutton -

Original:

"It is a known historical fact that the player who is currently getting his ass whipped will complain the loudest."

CR - the above would most definitely apply to me - on more than one occasion.

Mac


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RE: Allied Grand Campaign Questions - no Bandkanon - 7/12/2011 9:58:11 PM   
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My apologies for the vague and overly broad questions guys. Not to be dismissive, but the reason they're all so general is that when I had specific questions I've mostly been able to find the answers here or muddle through with my own solutions. From your answers, I take it that being so passive/reserved is a stylistic choice, for the most part, and it will be sufficiently effective for the period when I am going to launch my offensives.

I looked through many of the AARs months ago when my PBEM was started and I will look through them again soon. Do you have any recommendations other than the Canoerebel vs. Chez AAR (educational or entertainment purpose are both fine)?

In China, I have done exactly what you both, CR and PWS, have suggested. Very little combat has occurred in clear terrain and I was concerned that I was being too reserved with my forces here. It bothered me having to withdraw from Yenan, but he was sitting in the rough terrain across the river outside the city and was slowly starving them out. It comforts me that both your recommendations for that theater suggest what I did. I'm still worried that he'll be able to overcome the AV in rough terrain due to my supply situation but from looking through some AARs, it seems that the supply situation should be adequate for a defensive war. PWS, I don't see how I have the interior lines of communication advantage in China when he has rail lines connecting all his front and I do not, but I agree that being more compact by distance is certainly helpful.

Blackhorse - I think you may be right about having my carriers in a more centralized location. It's not out of the question that he will raid with the leftover fragments of miniKB or some cruisers. But would parking them all at Pearl be too predictable? I've been a bit negligent with my CAP at a lot of my ports - perhaps too greedy with the pilot training, so I'll have to do something incredibly ridiculous like ensure he doesn't surprise strike me at Hawaii with all my fighters on escort training.

So, I am going to try to ask some specific questions now. Do you all think it's a viable strategic goal to be relatively passive and non-confrontational until late July 1942 and then to try to seize a substantial foothold in the Marshall Islands, all at once, to try to force the CV engagement there on my terms? I'm figuring that the worst case situation would be he has KB sitting at Truk and is able to react in time to win a CV engagement and disrupt the landings. Whereas the best case situation is I can time the landing for when KB is not around or otherwise present him with the dilemma of either the Marshall Islands being in the allied hands by August 42 or having to fight my carriers in a battle that favors the allies.  Do you think my plan relies too much on luck or surprise? Do you think the timing is off (PWS mentioned mid-43) and should be shifted? Am I appearing to underestimate the difficulty in an operation like this or overestimating the speed at which land-based CAP can be set up (or just the effectiveness of landbased cap in supporting during a CV battle)? I've actually had what I consider sufficient land forces preparing for targets for about 30 or so turns now - soon I'm going to figure out how many ships of each type need to go to each target base. I'm going to land engineers, av support, supplies, and bring minelayers and minetenders for a few of the bases. Can you think of anything I'm neglecting to mention.

Again, thanks for reading. I'm off to try to see if I can find a AAR with a July/August Marshall Islands invasion.


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