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ORIGINAL: inqistor

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

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ORIGINAL: inqistor

Someone tested it in WITP, and in fact, upgrades took less, than manual claimed. Probably situation in AE is similar.
There are, like 100-200 Para squads in Japan army, and 1000-2000 SNLF squads. That would be quite cheap, yet they do not upgrade either.

Now that is interesting ... I will have to go back and search for that. Or was the info ever posted up on Spooky's site?

Found it.

Overall, interesting thread. I have not remembered, that armament points were THIS tight in WITP.

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ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
Device #709 'downgrades' to #710 because the IJA eventually reduced the number of men in the infantry regiments of their 'strengthened' (reiforced B-Type) divisions. Device #709 (only existing as a device in strengthened divisions) is stronger than #707 because the additional 50mm grenade dischargers (light mortars) existing in strengthened divisions are figured in its anti-soft value and load cost (infantry platoons in ordinary divisions had three grenade dischargers while infantry platoons in strengthened divisions had five grenade dischargers). The trained infantrymen that became surplus by this reorganization then provided cadres for newly raised and rebuild formations (however, this change was apparently not implemented in divisions fighting in Burma). There was no other way to represent this with the game engine.

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Para Squads are weaker than infantry squads because they did not have grenade discharger teams.

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The 20mm AT Rifle was not manufactured in sufficient numbers and thus not issued in enough numbers to warrant its inclusion.

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

OK going to try and answer a lot of questions

A historic base forces we have removed a lot of them and with the new disband units features we force the disbandment of some (not all because players need some flexibility) dutch, PI base forces.

Also base forces tend to be smaller in game

Yes we have French units in Tahiti and New Cal not US ones.

Units will be able to be allocated to Corps and Command HQ's and via the editor direct to Armies at present Corps can only be allocated to command HQ's (although this is something that will be looked at not sure when)

Restricted command units are always allocated to the top level HQ as Corps HQ's allocated in that way do not pass on the restricted nature to sub HQ's.

HQ combat bonuses and leaders - the coders have explained it to me about 3 times now and I still don't quite have it - when I understand it I will explain it to everyone else - suffice to say I think (and dont holdme to it) there will be an additional bonus if a units 'own' HQ is present in the Hex. i.e. there will be a command HQ bonus and a corps HQ bonus per stock (but there will be an additional bonus if a corps HQ is present that the units belong to) 

Repairs dont take supply in stock the reduciton you see is from bombing the base not from repairing the AF so there will be no change to this (I will double check this point)

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ORIGINAL: jcjordan

There's a Brit unit that comes in May44 that I'm not sure if it's meant to be like supply convoys or it's actually meant to be a land unit. The unit is #6684 Retrained AA Units. In scen #1 it comes in like it's a regular land unit but to my logic it seems like it's meant to be more like a supply convoy & add the devices to the pool. It does w/d after a couple of months though so I guess the end result would be about the same just 2 months instead of days before the devices go into the pool.

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Questions:
1. I've noticed quite a few units have devices in different slots than their TOE does. Does this effect replacements? If so, how?
2. I'm sure I remember seeing the answers to this some months ago, but can someone clarify the effects of the attributes Static HQ, Static Attached, Restricted Temp, and Restricted Permanent (as well as the various permutations)?
3. What do the Symbol and Size fields do?

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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

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Questions:
1. I've noticed quite a few units have devices in different slots than their TOE does. Does this effect replacements? If so, how?
2. I'm sure I remember seeing the answers to this some months ago, but can someone clarify the effects of the attributes Static HQ, Static Attached, Restricted Temp, and Restricted Permanent (as well as the various permutations)?
3. What do the Symbol and Size fields do?

Hey Easy, welcome back . . .

1. Especially at the beginning of the war, a lot of units had a hodge-podge of weapons that were eventually standardized, or discarded. A great example are the US Marine Corps Defense battalions. There are only a handful of them, but each of them seems to be equipped with a different battery of coastal defense guns (old navy 3", 5", 6" and 7" guns; and World War I era 155mm guns). Eventually, they all upgraded to modern M1A1 155mm PDF guns. The old M1918 is in that slot on the defense battalion TOE. Eventually the different guns of the various battalions should upgrade to that one model. The M1918 gun (device 1143) in turn will upgrade to the M1A1 (device 1144). So we can capture the subtle differences of half-a-dozen units using just one TOE.

In practice, this approach did not always work out perfectly when the game was first released, and michaelm has spent some time in patches (and with the beta) making it work better.

2. "Restricted" applies to HQs -- units assigned to a restricted HQs cannot load on ships, and, by most house rules, should not cross a national boundary. "Static Attached" means that the LCU can not change its headquarters assignment, invariably to a "restricted" headquarters. (Used to keep Japanese militia in Japan, US West Coast forces from sailing into the Pacific, &tc.).

3. As best I recall, the symbol field is used only to give cavalry units a cavalry-slash symbol ("12") instead of a default infantry or armor symbol -- purely cosmetic; or to designate an airborne unit ("13"), which makes it parachute-able as well as showing the "double-hump" airborne symbol.

All the other symbols are determined by the LCU's "type" designation

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In regard to devices, I'm more wondering whether there are any issues between slots. For example, if the TOE of a unit has its Motorized Support in Device 3, but the unit has Motorized Support in Device 5, will the replacements work properly?

As for the restricted designation, what is the difference between "temporary" and "permanent" restricted?

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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

I think temporary restricted means you can change the HQ with PP's. Permanent restricted means you can't change the HQ.

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ORIGINAL: Itdepends

Question regarding TOE- this is an British Air HQ (225 Group RAF) in scenario 2. It only has air support, support and torpedoe ordinance at the moment- but the full TOE looks very strange for an air HQ- is it correct?

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ORIGINAL: inqistor

Radar is, in most cases, upgrade of Sound Detector Device.

I have not checked it for Allies, but Japan have, like 5 possible paths for this. There are actually 5 separate Sound Detector Devices (with different Device number, but the same name), which upgrade to different Radars, at different dates.

Just think of it, as with squad upgrades. You should not see Sound Detector, if there is Radar present, so Device is no extra, and TOE will try o fill it, when short.

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ORIGINAL: EasilyConfused
But don't squad upgrades work differently from other device upgrades? Or is ground radar another exception?

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ORIGINAL: EasilyConfused

Another replacements question.  I've noticed that a lot of the Commonwealth base forces have a different radar/sound detector than their assigned TOE does.  By my understanding of how replacements work, the base force will consider the initial radar as extra equipment and draw on the replacement pool for the TOE's radar.

So,
1. Am I correct in the above?
2. If so, is this intentional?'

Thanks

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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

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ORIGINAL: EasilyConfused

Another replacements question.  I've noticed that a lot of the Commonwealth base forces have a different radar/sound detector than their assigned TOE does.  By my understanding of how replacements work, the base force will consider the initial radar as extra equipment and draw on the replacement pool for the TOE's radar.

So,
1. Am I correct in the above?
2. If so, is this intentional?'

Thanks

If the radar or sound detector device is set (in the device field of the editor) to upgrade to the TOE radar, then the upgrade will occur if the unit is set to "replacements allowed," there are enough of the appropriate radar devices in the pool for an upgrade, and the unit has sufficient supply &tc.

Even if the non-TOE radar or sound detector that the unit starts with is in a different "weapons slot" from the TOE radar, the TOE radar should appear whenever the conditions above are met, and the non-TOE radar-ish device that the unit has at start will also be replaced whenever enough of the TOE devices in its slot are in the pool to warrant an upgrade.

Inquisitor is correct -- Infantry and Engineer devices have a special rule where they upgrade when they return to the pool, all other devices (including sound detectors and radars), are simply sent to the pool whenever they have been replaced.

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ORIGINAL: EasilyConfused

I may have been unclear, let me give an example.

20th RAAF Base Force [6129] has Sound Detector (A) [1046] as its radar. However its TOE (RAAF Base Force [2773]) uses Sound Detector (A) [920]. Despite the same name, they are on different upgrade paths.

From my understanding of the way replacements work, the 20th RAAF Base Force should end up with duplicate radars.

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ORIGINAL: Omat

Hello

Some leader will never be accessible in game because they where wrong flaged. I belive this is a mistake because why should someone create a leader for nothing?


Leader 14051 Sprague, Thomas L. He is a Radm but flaged as „05 - Ship“. Because that there are never Radm selctable for ship`s (highest Rang is Captain) and leader which are are flaged as „05 -ship“ could never selected as a Task force commander I suggest to re flaged him as a „04 – Task Force“.

The same problem for e.g. McMorris, Chas H.; Number 12359. In Scenario 28 he is Right now he is classified as "type: 05-ship". So if u remove him (maybe by accident) he seems not to be accessible because he has a rank of an Rear Admiral.
Would it be better to give him the "type 04 Task Force" or "Type 01 Headquarters" like Leader Mitscher, Marc A?
Mitscher`s Number is 12510 and he is used as a ship commander but is internal a Task Force leader.
In WW2 McMorris was a ship Commander, Task force Commander and Chief of Staff of the Pacific Fleet.

There are also some Leader which have the same Problem
Number:
9009
9010
9311
10158
12359
14051
14052

P.S. I did not look at the axis side.

I suggest simply to reflaged them all to type “04 - Task Force"

Maybe Leader 16376 Erskine should be reflaged as “02 – Large Ground Unit”

Omat

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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

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ORIGINAL: EasilyConfused

I may have been unclear, let me give an example.

20th RAAF Base Force [6129] has Sound Detector (A) [1046] as its radar. However its TOE (RAAF Base Force [2773]) uses Sound Detector (A) [920]. Despite the same name, they are on different upgrade paths.

From my understanding of the way replacements work, the 20th RAAF Base Force should end up with duplicate radars.

In principal, since the unit's sound detector (1046) is in weapon's slot #9, and the TOE sound detector (920) is also in weapon's slot #9, then the TOE sound detector should replace 1046 once the unit arrives, and there are sufficient 920s in the pool.

AndyMac crafted the various commonwealth OOBs and TOEs. I defer to him on which sound detector's were intended for which unit.

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ORIGINAL: EasilyConfused

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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

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ORIGINAL: EasilyConfused

I may have been unclear, let me give an example.

20th RAAF Base Force [6129] has Sound Detector (A) [1046] as its radar. However its TOE (RAAF Base Force [2773]) uses Sound Detector (A) [920]. Despite the same name, they are on different upgrade paths.

From my understanding of the way replacements work, the 20th RAAF Base Force should end up with duplicate radars.

In principal, since the unit's sound detector (1046) is in weapon's slot #9, and the TOE sound detector (920) is also in weapon's slot #9, then the TOE sound detector should replace 1046 once the unit arrives, and there are sufficient 920s in the pool.

AndyMac crafted the various commonwealth OOBs and TOEs. I defer to him on which sound detector's were intended for which unit.

Sorry to keep on this, but I think I may have misunderstood how replacements work. If a TOE has device X in weapon slot Y, will it replace or add on to a unit with device Z in weapon slot Y?

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ORIGINAL: inqistor

So, does LCU will always try to "smooth" its Device slots to what is shown in TOE, or upgraded TOE?

Does that mean, that if LCU starts Scenario with some non-standard equipment, it should be in slots not-used by parent TOE?