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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 8:02:25 PM   
fiva55


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Status: offline 		Although my opponent hasn't officially resigned yet, he has changed his nick on the server, disabled PMs and is not answering emails. My finely honed battle instincts that allowed me to capture Leningrad on turn 4 now tells me that Swifty won't finish his turn any time soon, so I am looking for a new Soviet player.

All I ask from my opponent is that you won't quit before at least playing 50 turns and that you don't mind getting featured in an AAR. Please post here or pm me if interested.

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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 8:55:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, fiva55 did destroy my 51st army. And my 52nd. And my 43rd. And my 1st Guards. And my...well, you get the point. Soviets losing full armies or *shock* Leningrad ain't that uncommon. Soviets in 41 didn't do alot better! If swifty reads this, fight on, reorganize, wear him down, it's not a lost campaign.

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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 8:58:16 PM   
Apollo11


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jajusha

Well, fiva55 did destroy my 51st army. And my 52nd. And my 43rd. And my 1st Guards. And my...well, you get the point. Soviets losing full armies or *shock* Leningrad ain't that uncommon. Soviets in 41 didn't do alot better! If swifty reads this, fight on, reorganize, wear him down, it's not a lost campaign.


And most likely you (i.e. Soviets) will prevail in the end...


Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 8:59:13 PM   
Apollo11


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quote:

ORIGINAL: fiva55

Although my opponent hasn't officially resigned yet, he has changed his nick on the server, disabled PMs and is not answering emails. My finely honed battle instincts that allowed me to capture Leningrad on turn 4 now tells me that Swifty won't finish his turn any time soon, so I am looking for a new Soviet player.

All I ask from my opponent is that you won't quit before at least playing 50 turns and that you don't mind getting featured in an AAR. Please post here or pm me if interested.


That's a shame... but what can one do...

Nice AAR BTW!


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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 9:32:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		And even in 1942, before the Stalingrad stunning success, the Red Army had totally lost seven armies War must continue.

Best luck on your next game, fiva55. Very entertaining AAR



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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 9:43:44 PM   
821Bobo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

And even in 1942, before the Stalingrad stunning success, the Red Army had totally lost seven armies War must continue.



But loosing Leningrad with all the industry is pretty crippling for the Soviets, and in turn 4 also demotivating.

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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 11:00:20 PM   
Klydon


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Well done Fiva

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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 11:07:30 PM   
Manstein63


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Status: offline 		I had a game against Swifty & suddenly his name changed I thought it was a glitch so I guess that game is dead. I would be interested in playing you I have one GC going on against Ketza so I think I could fit another in if you are interested quite happy to play random or non random weather your choice & I promise not to resign until I am just on the outskirts of Berlin. Server game preferably not quite got the hang of PBEM
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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/12/2011 11:21:17 PM   
Ketza


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RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/13/2011 3:08:32 AM   
76mm


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quote:

ORIGINAL: 821Bobo
But loosing Leningrad with all the industry is pretty crippling for the Soviets, and in turn 4 also demotivating.


No way is it crippling, DAMHIK! But it is demoralizing, especially on Turn 4...

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Making History II - 5/19/2011 5:50:46 PM   
fiva55


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Status: offline 		It seems like AARs are an excellent way to advertise for new opponents, since I got more offers that I can actually play. For now, Manstein63 will be my new opponent, mainly because he publicly promised not to resign , but once I have time for another new game, I will pm back all those who were interested.

Anyway, I will continue the the AAR in this thread. It seems a waste of cyberspace to start a new thread .

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MAKING HISTORY II

Axis: fiva55
Soviet: Manstein63

Settings: Full FOW, non random weather, started on v.1.04.16

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NOTE: I have skipped the turn 1 update, mainly because it differed little from my previous game.

TURN 2
6/26/1941

BEGIN OF TURN STATISTICS

AXIS OOB
Men: 3.326.949
Guns: 33.662
AFV: 3.422
Air: 3.077

SOVIET OOB
Men: 3.904.668
Guns: 42.733
AFV: 13.279
Air: 5.894

AXIS LOSSES
Men: 36.047
Guns: 276
AFV: 160
Air: 192

SOVIET LOSSES
Men: 330.798
Guns: 4.063
AFV: 3.222
Air: 5.967

BEGIN OF TURN 2 FRONTLINE OVERVIEW

Notable points
  • The Soviets seem to favour a forward defence.

  • South: the Lvov pocket has been broken.




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    RE: Making History II - 5/19/2011 5:56:40 PM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 6/26/1941
    ARMY GROUP NORTH

    Soviet rearguards left behind in swamps and rough terrain forces 4th Panzer to waste time hunting them down. Still, the Pskov line is breached in force by 4 Pz divs.




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    RE: Making History II - 5/19/2011 5:59:43 PM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 6/26/1941
    ARMY GROUP CENTRAL

    In the center, the Soviets have manned the forward river lines, but critically, didn't have the manpower to man the main Dnepr line. Taking advantage of this, 2nd Pz Group supports 3rd Pz Group in a drive straight towards the Dnepr, allowing 20th Mot Div to establish a bridgehead across the river.




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    RE: Making History II - 5/19/2011 6:02:52 PM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 6/26/1941
    ARMY GROUP SOUTH

    Infantry lags behind, because the Lvov pocket had to be reclosed. To make up for this, part of 11th Army has been moved north to support the southern flank of 1st Pz Group.




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    RE: Making History II - 5/23/2011 3:45:35 AM   
    Fishbed

     

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    Status: offline     		Good Luck Manstein!

    I definitely want to see Fiva face Tullius one day, that would be a hell of a show!


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    Making History II: T3 - 5/26/2011 6:51:57 PM   
    fiva55


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    Status: offline     		Still on 1.04.16. For this game, Manstein has gracefully allowed me to play under the the old HQ build up rules, claiming that I will need the advantage

    Meanwhile, my opponent continues using a forward checkerboard defence. I must say it is pretty effective, if only because it forces me to deploy more forces to secure the flanks of my advance.

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    BEGIN OF FRONTLINES TURN 3 OVERVIEW
    DATE: 7/3/1941



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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 5/26/2011 6:53:45 PM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 7/3/1941
    ARMY GROUP NORTH

    Infantry has move up to secure the flanks of 4th Pz Group. T4 will see the dash towards the Luga.




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 5/26/2011 6:55:35 PM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 7/3/1941
    ARMY GROUP CENTER

    The brigdehead across the Dnepr is reinforced by 19th Pz div. Infantry has moved up the secure the flanks




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 5/26/2011 7:01:17 PM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 7/3/1941
    ARMY GROUP SOUTH

    The original plan was using 1st Pz Group to create a straight line towards Kiev, allowing the infantry to move up quickly next turn. However, it was feared that the large number of Soviets in this sector would soon cause the German advance to bog down. So instead, 1st Pz Group was used to encircle the Soviet forward defences.




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/10/2011 11:24:32 PM   
    fiva55


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    END OF TURN 4
    DATE: 7/10/1941
    ARMY GROUP NORTH

    Determined Soviet resistance ensures that 4th Panzer army can only open a narrow corridor to Leningrad.



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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/10/2011 11:28:34 PM   
    fiva55


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    Status: offline     		END OF TURN 4
    DATE: 7/10/1941
    ARMY GROUP CENTRAL

    Begin of turn 4, the Soviets pulled back the bulk of their forces defending the Dnepr, and formed 2 defensive lines along the rivers Oster and Desna. Both lines where breached by 3rd and 2nd Panzer groups by the end of the turn, although Smolensk proved to be too heavily defended and had to be isolated instead.




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/10/2011 11:32:19 PM   
    fiva55


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    Status: offline     		END OF TURN 4
    DATE: 7/10/1941
    ARMY GROUP SOUTH

    Counter attacks against several regiments caused heavy AFV losses, and temporarily relieved the pocket formed last week. This forced 1st Panzer Group to waste another week sealing the pocket, although this time there should be no way out for the Soviets.




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/10/2011 11:34:58 PM   
    fiva55


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    Status: offline     		BEGIN OF TURN 5
    DATE: 7/17/1941
    UPDATED TO VERSION 1.04.24

    Regiments prove to be too brittle at this stage of the game, as seen in the north. Several counter attack against regiments in this sector ensured that the leading spearheads of 4th Panzer Group are now isolated.




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/11/2011 12:16:11 AM   
    fiva55


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    ARMY GROUP NORTH

    Infantry moves up north through the corridor formed by 4th Pz Group last turn.




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/11/2011 12:19:50 AM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 7/17/1941
    UPDATED TO VERSION 1.04.24
    ARMY GROUP CENTRAL

    After 2 intensive luftwaffe bombing raids, Vyazma is taken by 2 motorized division. Just 100 miles of clear and lightly forested terrain stand between the spearheads of 3rd Panzer groups and Moscow.




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/11/2011 12:25:39 AM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 7/17/1941
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    ARMY GROUP SOUTH

    With most of the Soviet forces west of the Dnepr either pocketed or redeployed, 1st Panzer group has the choice to either head south towards D-town or to try cross the Dnepr. In the end, it was decided to use the bulk of 1st Pz group to force a crossing, with 1 PzCrps remaining west of the Dnepr to threaten the industry.




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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/11/2011 9:52:34 AM   
    Tarhunnas


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    Status: offline     		Looking good! That crossing of the Dnepr is solid and should give you som opportunities, and your advance towards Leningrad is impressive!

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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 6/11/2011 10:07:48 AM   
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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 8/11/2011 3:16:59 PM   
    fiva55


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    END OF TURN 6
    DATE: 7/24/1941
    UPDATED TO VERSION 1.04.36
    ARMY GROUP NORTH

    There goes the much vaunted fighting reputation of the Waffen SS. Totenkopf, ordered to prevent the Soviets from railing their AP out of Leningrad by blocking the rail lines south of city, was attacked last turn and overwhelmed, causing them to rout.

    Recovering near Riga, they have now been redirect to strike north and capture Tallinn, with as goal to cut of the Soviets west of our advance from a supply source.

    Meanwhile, Kannas Fin. Army is making good progress towards Leningrad, but Karelian Fin. Army is unfortunately held up by some stubborn Soviet security regiments.





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    RE: Making History II: T3 - 8/11/2011 3:22:23 PM   
    fiva55


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    DATE: 7/24/1941
    UPDATED TO VERSION 1.04.36
    ARMY GROUP CENTRAL

    Lack of fuel and stretched flanks means limited progress for Army Group Central. The plan now is for 9th Army to strike north and try to link up with Army Group North.

    3rd and 2nd Pz Group have been ordered to refit. They will need their strength if the multiple fort lines that are being formed in front of Moscow are any indication.






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