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ORIGINAL: Reg
Did you see this tragic news item from Melbourne which happened yesterday??
Pitbull kills girl in home
NOBODY should be allowed to keep these animals.....
I have now. According to the report, the dog was a cross breed....Pitbull Terrier/Mastiff. As a rule, I don't blame any breed......esp as I owned a PB Terrier for 5/5 years and trained her well. Any sort of aggressive behavior was addressesed....immediately or else i'd have never allowed her to run around my local pub along with our Yellow Lab Mix. Chennelle was a gentle soul in the end.....but as with any dog you had to be careful.
That said.....I do agree that some breeds must be chosen with care and trained more than others. Never owned a Mastiff...but the few i've encountered put PB's to shame.....Big huge and aggressive animals. Chennelle was in fact almost attacked by one when me and the two dogs were out jogging one day. This dumb old lady had a huge one....100+ pounds and half as tall as a man and it was all she could do to keep the dog in place with both hands when it started lunging towards Chennelle. STUPID DUMB HUMAN. If the dog is that aggressive......
a) Why are you in public with it?
b) Why had the animal no choke chain or other restraining device or muzzle?
c) Why was the dog so poorly trained?
d) Why the **** would you...an elderly lady of maybe around 120lbs yourself....even THINK you might be able to control such a rowdy aggressive animal?
STUPID HUMAN TRICKS!!!!!!!!
It was the same thing when we fostered a 2 year old Dobberman Pincher. THing was totally untrained and did display some aggressive/defiant behavior towards us.....causing a few tense moments. We addressed it and the dog started behaving much better....towards us and in public. The bigger/more potentially aggressive the breed.....the more vital training and discipline are. Its like horses........some are more rowdy/aggressive than others and Stallions are the most dangerous of course. You have to know how to handle one.
I hope this guy gets jail time.
Ironically.....we've been having alot of issues here lately with little "yappy" type dogs. Stupid Humans think that because they are small and "cute" that the rules don't apply to them so they are off leash, off trained, and out of control in many situations. I was talking to a neighbor recently about my dog attack incident. Ironically, she owns a sweet female pitbull named "Lucky" She was recently bit on the ankle by a small dog that was running loose on the property and barking and chasing passerbys. Most of the time if one of these PUNT! candidants acts badly the owner will be like..."aww......isn't he/she so cute??!!!!" yeah....PUNT!!!!!
Then there was moron-boy in the town i used to live in till I got upgraded. He was the aTypical Stupid Male Redneck....proudly boasting to anyone willing to listen about his PUREBRED 100+ LB American BullDog. (an absolutely huge male pitbull sitting in his pickup truck.....this thing scared ME. It would growl,bark and lunge at anyone who got too close to the truck....actually bouncing it's head off the glass) I just looked over at the Redneck Prime speciman...he watched the whole thing and just laughed and continued to sprout off statistics on his PURE BRED animal.
God....if that dog ever got loose like in the Melbourne incident.
Maybe it's the owners who should get put down too!
Clense the gene-pool.
Reg and Nik,
I think breed-specific legislation is off base and usually self-defeating. Ask most veterinary practitioners and they will tell you that the majority of their aggressive dog issues do not involve Pits. Or Tosas. Or Mastiffs, but other breed species that are counter-intuitive.
My personal examples (that my wife will verify from her years in practice) are Chows and Shar-Pei breeds. Never met a-one of 'em that was a socially well-adapted dog. Some that were tolerable, but just. Routinely had problems with them both during the heights of their popularity. We've both experienced a number of Chihauhuas, Yorkies and other small-breed dogs that had aggression issues as well.
As for the Pits, they're an interesting bunch. 50% of them were complete and utter marshmallows. About the nicest animals you could imagine. I wouldn't hesitate to have them as a family pet. The other 50% give a bad name to the breed-if you can call it that. Dumbass owners with a prestigious symbol of power that says 'don't **** with me'. When Rottweilers were 'in' in the 1980s, there were similar problems with that breed too. Thankfully, that breed has come back from the abyss through responsible breeding programs and decreased breed popularity. Popularity has never been a good thing for a breed of dog-too many Yahoos get into breeding. It's gotten so bad with Pits that they may not be able to come back.
But it's not the breed's fault. And you certainly can't blame it on the well-trained responsible Pit owners that have trained their animals well.
I think it's akin to gun laws-the vast vast majority of people that are firearms owners in this country are responsible. Others-e.g, criminals and dumasses-aren't and give a bad name for gun ownership in general. Banning all guns from private ownership isn't the solution. Laws punishing misuse and stiff civil penalties for same are closer to the truth. I'd be in favor of more stringent licensing laws for dog ownership myself. When was the last time any dog licensing agency had some real enforcement teeth (pardon the expression) to their laws?
WRT "The Melbourne Incident": every year in this country, dogs are responsible for killing something like 40 people. It happens. Unfortunately, because of their size, proximity and their location in the power structure of the family, kids are usually the victims.
But, in a country of 310 million, it's an anomalous rarity. One of my classmates did some actuarial digging and found CDC stats that implicated toasters as a more common cause of death than dog attacks. That's right-toasters. I guess people sticking knives and forks into the toaster to get their brekky would get electrocuted for their trouble.
That's not going to make any difference to the family that lost their child from one such dog attack, I know. I'd probably want to kill the guy if it was my kid. And then I'd do the dog too.
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