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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/12/2011 10:10:36 PM

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Some might, most won't. In fighting you've not only provided us all with entertainment (and its probably been more interesting for you as well), but you've also continued to down his planes by the hundreds, and sink numerous DDs, CLs, and at least one CA. If you lose your troops and fortresses in the Solomons, they won't go down without a hell of a fight.

As for Rader being a superior player to yourself-that's obvious, he's much more experienced. And he's losing his ability to set the pace. You're invasion of the Solomons is what triggered his response, even if he sought to contest it thoroughly. And once again, you're slowing down his timetables by refusing to let your air and naval forces roll over and die to clear his path. You've even refused to give battle with your CVs and give him a shot at removing that threat. He might still choose the battles now, but you're now trading blows, instead of just receiving them.

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/12/2011 10:22:44 PM

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I think your doing pretty darn well GF. This fight for the Canal is your major turning point in my opinion. You have become an AE player with exp now.

But don't get tunnel vision on the Canal zone. Look for other areas to attack or harrass. Start makeing him dance to your tune.

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/12/2011 11:06:25 PM

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I have spent 3 days reading this riveting AAR and as we say in these neck of the woods 'un par de cojones' for carrying on and giving it back to the JFB's. I cant wait for you to sink 4 torps into each KB carrier along with a few 1000lbers. Good luck in your future battles and i will follow this AAR diligently.

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/12/2011 11:38:08 PM

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Welcome aboard Cantona! Thanks! Hope to give JFBs some headhaches from now on...but don't think Rader is going to send his KB into some risky missions...anyway, if ever, i'm ready to meet him with everything i could master!!

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/13/2011 9:21:45 AM

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Mar 24, 25 43

The KB moved closer to the Solomons, while his SCTFs swept and empty Karaikira.
My guess is that the KB is now, along with his 500 LBA fighters, providing an imprenetrable CAP umbrella over the Solomons, in order to support a massive landing at Tassafaronga and Tulagi.
So far, so good....i've done everything i could to reinforce my positions there and i think i cannot do much more about that right now.

His subs sprung up en masse again north of Suva, sinking 5 empty xAKs...my ASWTFs were able only to hit a couple of times I-163 but nothing more...
Our subs sunk an "E" type subchaser north of Rabaul...

...no air actions today in the Solomons...he's getting his waves ready...

His paras conquered Rennell Island again. We will take it back asap as usual

Rader sent me the wrong file so i'm not able yet to see the updated map...but i think we're almost there...the invasion is coming!

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/13/2011 2:13:38 PM

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I'm thinking...how long our marines will be able to handle in the solomons once his Hordes will be unloading at our bases? Jungle Terrain, forts and HQs should help the defenders...but...we all know Rader will use the hammer now...he has discovered at Tulagi how stiff can be our defence...so i think he'll simply bring and overwhelming force...like he has done at PM...what should i do? I need to try to interdict the landings...will be expensive...i'll lose tons of ships and planes...will it be enough?...getting nervous...

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/13/2011 2:36:45 PM

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You're right, if he invades he'll bring a hammer. The question is, can you bring a bigger hammer of your own ? His LBA can't overwhelm you, he's been trying that for weeks now and it's not working. If he's going to use KB against LBA again you could have a great opportunity to strike at it with your own carriers, they should be able to at least equal the Japanese in a fair fight. Take the advantage of your LBA and you have a chance to gain a decisive victory.

If you don't want to try that or feel you're not strong enough yet then now is the time for another offensive. He has to be spread thin on other fronts with the huge amounts of LCUs and LBA in the Solomons and India. If you make a second-Solomon like position now it won't matter if Guadalcanal falls, there will be another flashpoint to take over and further attrit the Japanese.

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/13/2011 5:19:02 PM

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Thanks for an entertaining and extremely educational AAR. Your poise and sportsmanship under what I'm sure at times is a very stressful situation is an inspiration to us who are still working up the courage to enter into the PBEM frey. Also a tip of the hat to CR, Alfred, et al -- although I've owned this game since its day of issue you've all taught me more in this one AAR than in all the experience I've had playing the AI. Thanks to all and please keep it up.

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/15/2011 12:28:48 AM

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Smeulders and Blacksheep,

thanks so much for your words and for enjoying the AAR.It's a pleasure to have you here and i'm sorry if i cannot give u a warmer welcome but during these vacations i have very little time to remain connected on the net and even littler to update...

Mar 26, 27 43

Another turn of "quiet" before the storm...

He sent few little sweeps over Tassa and Tulagi, opposed by 5/10 P-39s...minor battles occurred without any real victor.
The KB seems to have been moved back to Rabaul (probably to embark the first A6M5s that are coming online).
Only minor shipping movements at his front line bases (Russell, Thousands and Auki). He uses single-ship TFs to bring engeneers and supplies to his bases that are full
of planes (more than 430 fighters spotted in the named bases).
Our 1st USMC Para BN conquered back Rennell Is. as planned.
Our 4Es smashed Auki, closing the base and destroying more than 50 enemy planes on the ground, losing 6 4Es in the process...

We sent from Ndeni 3 TFs of DDs to sweep Thousand Ships bay...we found and sunk a lot of minor xAKLs and PBs of various sizes for no losses on our side.His Vals tried to attack us but were unable to get
my fast and nimble ships.

Tomorrow we'll bring back our CAP on Karaikira, where a couple of TFs will unload another Inf rgt and a strong AA regiment.

In India he keeps on pounbding Karachi, keeping the base shut (i only have there left 500 eng which are not enough to provide a constant daily recovery after the bombardments
He's using 200 Helens over Karachi, heavily escorted, and more 100 Sallies over my advancing troops. At Multan we're counting more than 130 units...i have 8000 AVs marching towards Multan...
...i know that i'm running the risk of being defeated there...but i wanna see what he really has there...an army HQ and 4 divisions is what i'm sure about...

Less than 1 week for the Hellcats...can't wait.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Thousand Ships Bay at 114,136, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Toyotu Maru, Shell hits 25, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Jarvis
DD Craven
DD Gridley
DD McCall
DD Maury

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Thousand Ships Bay at 114,136, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Sansei Maru, Shell hits 19, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Jarvis
DD Craven
DD Gridley
DD McCall
DD Maury

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Thousand Ships Bay at 114,136, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Okiyu Maru, Shell hits 56, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Jarvis
DD Craven
DD Gridley
DD McCall
DD Maury

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Thousand Ships Bay at 114,136, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAKL Ganges Maru, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Genkai Maru, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Hokuhi Maru, Shell hits 23, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Jarvis
DD Craven
DD Gridley
DD McCall
DD Maury

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Morning Air attack on Auki , at 115,136

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 22
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 36

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 12
B-24D Liberator x 24
B-24D1 Liberator x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 3 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 5 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 30
Airbase supply hits 16
Runway hits 91

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Russell Islands at 113,136, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Busho Maru, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Laffey
DD Duncan
DD Van Galen

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Russell Islands at 113,136, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
APD Yuzuki, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Laffey
DD Duncan
DD Van Galen

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Russell Islands at 113,136, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Shirogane Maru, Shell hits 31, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Laffey
DD Duncan, Shell hits 1
DD Van Galen

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Russell Islands at 113,136, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CM Naryu, Shell hits 18, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Laffey
DD Duncan
DD Van Galen

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Morning Air attack on Auki , at 115,136

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 9
A6M3a Zero x 8
A6M5 Zero x 9
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 22
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 30
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 24
B-24D1 Liberator x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 4 damaged
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 10 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 19 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 3 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 65

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/15/2011 12:29:30 AM

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/15/2011 1:01:35 AM

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He uses single-ship TFs to bring engeneers and supplies to his bases that are full

I would ask him to stop this practice as it is 'gamey' IMO. Why?? The AI will often overlook a single ship and any planes set for Naval Attack will not fly. Even if you use picket ships, I would make sure they have at least 2 ships in it. Others may disagree with me, but just my 2 cents.

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/15/2011 8:38:55 AM

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Thx NY59, i'll ask Rader what he thinks about the single-ship-TF. I had used it too and stopped to do that only because if not escorted at least by a PC or a PG my xAKs movements tend to be
to be screwed only by the presence of any enemy surface asset...even a PB can scary a non escorted xAK and force her to move back and not complete her task.

The overall situation looks now stable. He has managed to develop all his bases south of Shortland and now he's ready to counter-invade under a strong LBA Umbrella. At the same time the time he had used to build his offensive platform
had given me the chance to build up my own defensive platform (Karaikira and the other bases around Ndeni). I really believe this is the quiet before the storm...a storm
which will be a bloodbath in the air, on the seas and on lands...

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/15/2011 8:49:31 AM

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For what concerns my air-assets, i've noticed that i'm able to support only a couple of squadrons of Corsairs with the actual production rate (30). Same goes for P-38Gs: untill the J version comes online with only 20 of them produced monthly i can support only 1 squadron.

The balance i'll try to reach from April 43 will be the following:

2 squadrons of 18 corsairs
1 squadron of 25 P-38
2 squadrons of 16 spitsVc
4 squadrons of 16 Kitti III
3 squadrons of 25 P-40Ks
2 squadrons of 25 P-39s
6 squadrons of 18 Hellcats

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/15/2011 4:59:44 PM

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Rader will be out opf town for the whole week and only be able to do max a couple of turns...so it will be a slow august in game terms...

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/15/2011 5:27:34 PM

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He uses single-ship TFs to bring engeneers and supplies to his bases that are full

I would ask him to stop this practice as it is 'gamey' IMO. Why?? The AI will often overlook a single ship and any planes set for Naval Attack will not fly. Even if you use picket ships, I would make sure they have at least 2 ships in it. Others may disagree with me, but just my 2 cents.

I only disagree that it is not "AI" or Artifical Intellgence , which requires a learning algorithum

. It seems that niether the game nor the developers have learned over the past few years :). In reading the house rules thread this has been a pretty fundemental exploit in both WitP and WitP AE. :/

I think this is a good point ...

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/16/2011 9:39:14 AM

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Examinating the situation in India i believe i undervaluate the strenght of Rader's forces.
I'm using this iatus in game to put togheder some data taken from intel reports and it seems that at Multan he has defenetly more forces than what we expected. If he manages to bomb my advancing units to dust it's possible that my 8000 AVs won't be enough to break his defensive line at Multan...a decisive defeat of my Easter Army will seriously put another dent in the re-opening of the Indian front....but at the same time there ain't no better moment to keep him busy and committed on another front...now he needs all he can muster to break my positions in the Solomons and every plane, every man that i force him to keep in India will lower his power in Sopac... however i cannot deny u that i'm sweating and scared to death to the idea of finding a stiff opposition at Multan...

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/16/2011 3:02:17 PM

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Examinating? "Easter" army?. Surely you're just teasing us now

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/16/2011 3:16:20 PM

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If your armor based units make up a 'significant' portion of that 8000AV in India, you will do well. In my game as Japan, I take significantly larger losses that the Allies due to the large amount of Armored Brigades present in his attacking forces. He is not even getting 1:1 odds and I'm going to retreat due to this (I'm behind size 5 forts in clear terrain). Use that armor to out flank his position.

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/16/2011 3:37:08 PM

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Yes guys i'm sorry if the quality of the AAR has lowered but here on holydays i really have less time to post and always using the blackberry.
However the eastern army is composed of the best British,australian and indian divisions that were based at Karachi, with 1800 AVs composed of armoured Bdes and BNs, all upgraded to Grants and Stuarts.
I'll try to post a couple of screenshots as soon as i manage to get a decent internet connection with my laptop

Sorry

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/16/2011 3:49:19 PM

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GreyJoy, if you are able to close on Multan without taking unaccpetable losses to enemy bombers, you can probably force rader to retreat simply by threatening to outflank and isolate Multan. If you send armored units around both sides, rader is almost certain to retire. He can't afford to have a huge stack isolated with no path of retreat.

On that note, you might send a few units from Karachi due east (south on the game map) on that yellow road through the desert. If you have a few small and inexpensive armored units roaming around his rear at the same time he's threatened with flanking at Multan, he's going to get a bad case of the yips.

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RE: The Beginning of the End ..:) - 8/17/2011 11:01:05 AM

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That's the max i could do...a screen shot of the advancing Eastern Army (India Command HQ + 4 Indian Corps)

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/18/2011 9:12:03 AM

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Analyzing the sigh-in reports it seems that he's almost ready to start the counterinvasion of the Solomons. At least 6 big divisions are reported to be loaded on Marus at Rabaul and most of them are planning for Tassa, Lunga and Tulagi. My air recon spotted only 43 units at Rabaul and a infinite number of Task Forces...that means that nearly 50 units are already loaded on ships ready to move south... Will be bloody...will be something like a japanese D-Day

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/18/2011 9:32:36 AM

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The good thing is that Rader hasn't eliminated yet the PTs present in the Solomons, nor he has been able yet to reduce my bases as he was able to do at PM. He can close a single base using his Helens, but if he wants to keep all my bases shut he will need his BBs...and i still have a decent surface force to be able to interdict these movements and make him pay...then the landings are a damned serious affair and landing HUGE forces at 3 different bases at the same time isn't exactly a walk in the park...i think that if we can interdict his landings we can have.a chance of survival...

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/18/2011 10:28:11 AM

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Greyjoy -

You've got a lot of very nice armour in your Indian column. You ought to split some off to the north and threaten to go around the Japanese forward positions. Take every pathway possible. Speed isn't an issue here - position is.

BTW - do you have any AA units in your column?

Also, as I suggested before, send some combat units along the southern roads too.

As you are attempting in the South Pacific, give Radar too many targets to hit all at once, and too many to ignore.

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/18/2011 12:27:25 PM

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Yes, the plan is to arrive with the stack at 1 hex far from Multan in order to maximise the AA efficiency and then split my army into 4 different army corps and make some flanking movements.
Another smaller stack will soon depart from hyderabad and will move south...
Yes i have lots of very good AA units with my army and more are read to come from Aden as soon as i manage to get some fighters back at Karachi...2000 more AVs are ready at Aden...

I'm really looking forward to see how my brand new armoured units will perform...Grants, Valentines, stuarts...they should eat alive the jap tanks...

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/19/2011 12:29:46 AM

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Analyzing the sigh-in reports it seems that he's almost ready to start the counterinvasion of the Solomons. At least 6 big divisions are reported to be loaded on Marus at Rabaul and most of them are planning for Tassa, Lunga and Tulagi. My air recon spotted only 43 units at Rabaul and a infinite number of Task Forces...that means that nearly 50 units are already loaded on ships ready to move south... Will be bloody...will be something like a japanese D-Day

Splitting his force??

I would take Lunga first, then Tassafaronga by land and amphib Tulagi with as much as possible .

Is he underestimating your forces and thinks he can sweep them all with 2Div+ sized landing??

Are you able to get a decent force at Karikari which you could airlift or APD/LCT into the base being attacked?

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/19/2011 1:53:40 AM

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Scenario 2 or not it has to be tough to keep Rabaul stocked with fuel. 4EB port attack at Rabaul might gum up the port a bit. It's hardly big enough to as it is. If he is staging 6 divisons out of there there has got to be some tempting targets

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/19/2011 8:26:07 AM

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Analyzing the sigh-in reports it seems that he's almost ready to start the counterinvasion of the Solomons. At least 6 big divisions are reported to be loaded on Marus at Rabaul and most of them are planning for Tassa, Lunga and Tulagi. My air recon spotted only 43 units at Rabaul and a infinite number of Task Forces...that means that nearly 50 units are already loaded on ships ready to move south... Will be bloody...will be something like a japanese D-Day

Splitting his force??

I would take Lunga first, then Tassafaronga by land and amphib Tulagi with as much as possible .

Is he underestimating your forces and thinks he can sweep them all with 2Div+ sized landing??

Are you able to get a decent force at Karikari which you could airlift or APD/LCT into the base being attacked?

He's not understimating. He had plenty of time to recon carefully all my bases. He knows what i have there. And i don't think he's landing with 2Div+....i believe he's landing with 10+Divisions (or equivalent) at each of my base. Based on this assumption i'm trying to have a decent force at each of my three bases. I have to assume that he won't let me reinforce once invaded. However i have 2 full regiments ready at Karaikira and 6 more at Ndeni, along with the equivalent of 2 regiments of Para.

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/19/2011 8:38:12 AM

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Scenario 2 or not it has to be tough to keep Rabaul stocked with fuel. 4EB port attack at Rabaul might gum up the port a bit. It's hardly big enough to as it is. If he is staging 6 divisons out of there there has got to be some tempting targets

He's staging more than 6 divisions there. He had more than 100 units there!...and yes, with more than 500 ships there there must be some juicy targets...however i've already tried a Night Port attack with 4Es and we didn't get any luck...only a couple of xAKs hit and an AV...but during the day Rabaul is well defended (more than 100 fighters spotted plus the KB CAP) and a 4Es attack will mean the demolition of my 4Es force (always keep in mind that the constant utilization of my 4Es since june 1942 -In india first and then here in SOPAC- has ran dry my pools and now i fly my 4Es with always not more than 10 planes in reserve in pool) and now i MUST keep use them to keep his front-line AFs under a constant threat...i cannot waste my 90 4Es army to sink a bunch of tansports...i'd like to...but i cannot efford it right now...

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RE: Fighting for surviving - 8/19/2011 8:45:54 AM

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...can't wait to resume the game....

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