Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: kfsgo

Do you think you're committed to the Blackhorse plan for China? The reason I ask is that giving the Chinese control of Yangtze 'ports' (as recognized in-game) gives you an opening for adding the respective river-based naval forces - there seem to have been a few, though I assume there's some reason they haven't been included in anything up to now. Not too much military value, I suppose, but it'd at least make direct amphibious landings against the Chinese ports fractionally less trivial.

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I feel like I have slept with these Treaties! Know them pretty well.

Couple of thoughts based on above and earlier Posts:

USA
1. A few more DDs of pre-Fletcher classes seem OK.

2. What about Wasp being the 4th Yorktown? Instead of a limited compromise using up the remaining tonnage, the US sees where things are going and simply builds her along Yorktown's proven lines.

3. Modernize the Big 5 BB. Whatever that might mean...
--Could that mean better AA?
--What else was planned for them? Juan???

4. The overage issue is ships reaching 20 Years of age. These could then be replaced once demilitarized/decommisioned. Doubt if you could squeeze anymore cruisers out of the Congress prior to the Two-Ocean Bill.

5. Redeploy some of the Fleet as we have described.

6. Set-Up stronger bases with limited LCU additions that support Aircraft as well as a couple of Sub Bases as we've discussed.

7. Slightly increase aircraft and squadrons in Philippines and along the air pipeline in the Central Pacific.

8. Add Forts to Bataan and increase supply there.


Britain
Here is an area that we could really have some fun with. Ideas that have been tossed out or on the burner:
1. A change within Force Z composition. Perhaps another BC? Add several CAs/CLs and DDs that start the war spreadout in the IO.

2. Improve Singapore's Aircraft composition to something more envisioned with the 335+ Front-Line Planes desired:
--How about a couple of Hurricane or, dare I say, Spitfire Squadrons?
--Completely fillout the Vilderbeest and Swordfish units.
--More Recon/Air Search assets

3. A somewhat built defense line north of Singapore.

4. How about the 18th ID STARTING in Singapore or at sea in the IO and ready for the player to send it wherever?

5. Better trained Indian Division in Malaya.

Dutch
1. We had some ships thrown out for additional consideration earlier. What about them?

2. A few more modern planes for them?

Additions? Like? Hate?

Comments???

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ORIGINAL: DOCUP

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I feel like I have slept with these Treaties! Know them pretty well.

Couple of thoughts based on above and earlier Posts:

USA
1. A few more DDs of pre-Fletcher classes seem OK.

2. What about Wasp being the 4th Yorktown? Instead of a limited compromise using up the remaining tonnage, the US sees where things are going and simply builds her along Yorktown's proven lines.

3. Modernize the Big 5 BB. Whatever that might mean...
--Could that mean better AA?
--What else was planned for them? Juan???

4. The overage issue is ships reaching 20 Years of age. These could then be replaced once demilitarized/decommisioned. Doubt if you could squeeze anymore cruisers out of the Congress prior to the Two-Ocean Bill.

5. Redeploy some of the Fleet as we have described.

6. Set-Up stronger bases with limited LCU additions that support Aircraft as well as a couple of Sub Bases as we've discussed.

7. Slightly increase aircraft and squadrons in Philippines and along the air pipeline in the Central Pacific.

8. Add Forts to Bataan and increase supply there.


Britain
Here is an area that we could really have some fun with. Ideas that have been tossed out or on the burner:
1. A change within Force Z composition. Perhaps another BC? Add several CAs/CLs and DDs that start the war spreadout in the IO.

2. Improve Singapore's Aircraft composition to something more envisioned with the 335+ Front-Line Planes desired:
--How about a couple of Hurricane or, dare I say, Spitfire Squadrons?
--Completely fillout the Vilderbeest and Swordfish units.
--More Recon/Air Search assets

3. A somewhat built defense line north of Singapore.

4. How about the 18th ID STARTING in Singapore or at sea in the IO and ready for the player to send it wherever?

5. Better trained Indian Division in Malaya.

Dutch
1. We had some ships thrown out for additional consideration earlier. What about them?

2. A few more modern planes for them?

Additions? Like? Hate?

Comments???

USA
1. I like. I agree with Oldman around 20 could of been built.

2. I'm cool with it. But what about those Isolantionist standing to my left.

3. I do like this one. I'm interested in if what I read is close to what you all can dig up.

4. What about converting them to DEs, APDs etc. Does this mess with the treaty? You could say that everyone knew of the subs potential and have to do something with these ships it would save money to convert them over.

5. Hmmm Rob Peter to pay Paul.

6. I like.

7. I like.

8. I like.

What about fixing some of the shortcomings of the ships already in service or in the pipeline. ie Omha Class. What about AC production?

Britian

1. Interesting again robbing Peter to pay Paul.

2. I like this one.

3. I like.

4. I like it out to see, not at Singers.

5. I like.

Dutch

I like both ideas.

French

Have you thought about the free french fleet?

China

Whats the story here. Are you going with Blackhorses storyline.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

As for the Dutch, they were looking to buy G36s and Vindicators pre-war. Not exactly super modern, but still.

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Free French? Does anyone know of ANY Free French that might--reasonably--have made it to the Pacific? We have Le Triomphant but that is it...

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

As for the Dutch, they were looking to buy G36s and Vindicators pre-war. Not exactly super modern, but still.

Dutch Vindicators? NICE! Stupid question--what is a G36?

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

There was precisely NO chance of Spitfires going to Malaya. Think about it; autumn and early winter of 1941. The RAF needs EVERY SINGLE Spitfire on the Channel front and in the Mediterranean. More Hurricanes, yeah... The only way we can justify it is if the North African campaign is over.

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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Free French? Does anyone know of ANY Free French that might--reasonably--have made it to the Pacific? We have Le Triomphant but that is it...

In June, 1940, Churchill proposed a Franco-British union to keep France in the war. The French President and Premier supported the proposal, but the Cabinet rejected it. Wikipediasuggests that if the proposal had been been made only a few days earlier, the French might well have accepted the offer.

In an alternative history, instead of waiting until the 16th, Churchill offers a union as the Germans march into Paris on June 14th. The French cabinet accepts. Mainland France is still overrun, but there is no Vichy, and the fleet sails to English and Free French (now Anglo-French) ports.

Given this scenario, several additional French (and British) ships could become available for service in the Pacific. This alternative history would also substantially redraw the at-start map, as Japan presumably could not have occupied Anglo-French Indochina before the war. Singapore is a safe harbor, outside the range of Japanese land-based air.

To imitate AE, if this scenario is considered, the Japanese could start with control of Indochinese bases, with invasion forces just arrived that day from amphibious task forces.

Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.

Reluctant Admiral Mod:
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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse


In June, 1940, Churchill proposed a Franco-British union to keep France in the war. The French President and Premier supported the proposal, but the Cabinet rejected it. Wikipediasuggests that if the proposal had been been made only a few days earlier, the French might well have accepted the offer.

In an alternative history, instead of waiting until the 16th, Churchill offers a union as the Germans march into Paris on June 14th. The French cabinet accepts. Mainland France is still overrun, but there is no Vichy, and the fleet sails to English and Free French (now Anglo-French) ports.

Given this scenario, several additional French (and British) ships could become available for service in the Pacific. This alternative history would also substantially redraw the at-start map, as Japan presumably could not have occupied Anglo-French Indochina before the war. Singapore is a safe harbor, outside the range of Japanese land-based air.

To imitate AE, if this scenario is considered, the Japanese could start with control of Indochinese bases, with invasion forces just arrived that day from amphibious task forces.

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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

I'd love to see this, but in truth, given Japan's complete air supremacy, it is likely that any Chinese river cruiser/ gunboat would have been sunk by 12/41, even with my scenario.

An alternative possibility is to include the US Navy Yangtze River patrol gunboats, including the Panay, based at Hankow.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

There was precisely NO chance of Spitfires going to Malaya. Think about it; autumn and early winter of 1941. The RAF needs EVERY SINGLE Spitfire on the Channel front and in the Mediterranean. More Hurricanes, yeah... The only way we can justify it is if the North African campaign is over.

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Did not know that! Highly interesting thoughtline...

No North African disaster between the French and British? I couldn't see anything of substantial size brought out East but a French CL or 2 plus a Division of DDs might be highly entertaining. With no French Fleet around (in Vichy) you just might be able to justify another British Capital Ship joining Force Z.

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ORIGINAL: Herrbear

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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse


In June, 1940, Churchill proposed a Franco-British union to keep France in the war. The French President and Premier supported the proposal, but the Cabinet rejected it. Wikipediasuggests that if the proposal had been been made only a few days earlier, the French might well have accepted the offer.

In an alternative history, instead of waiting until the 16th, Churchill offers a union as the Germans march into Paris on June 14th. The French cabinet accepts. Mainland France is still overrun, but there is no Vichy, and the fleet sails to English and Free French (now Anglo-French) ports.

Given this scenario, several additional French (and British) ships could become available for service in the Pacific. This alternative history would also substantially redraw the at-start map, as Japan presumably could not have occupied Anglo-French Indochina before the war. Singapore is a safe harbor, outside the range of Japanese land-based air.

To imitate AE, if this scenario is considered, the Japanese could start with control of Indochinese bases, with invasion forces just arrived that day from amphibious task forces.

I am assuming that Indo China would now be "Free French"? If not, since France was overrun would not, or could not, Indo China just be administered by Axis which would allow Japan to enter as they did.

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Did not know that! Highly interesting thoughtline...

No North African disaster between the French and British? I couldn't see anything of substantial size brought out East but a French CL or 2 plus a Division of DDs might be highly entertaining. With no French Fleet around (in Vichy) you just might be able to justify another British Capital Ship joining Force Z.

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ORIGINAL: oldman45

This is site that lists the locations of the French Fleet at the time of the Armistice

http://france1940.free.fr/navy/mar_jun.html

Figure some stay in the Med to keep the Italians in check, some in the Atlantic and what ever is left heads to the Pacific. Down side is if Indochina is still in French hands the fleet will be in Saigon/Haiphong well with in range of the IJAF/IJNAF.

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

This sounds like something we could work with. Can you look for those specifics if you get the chance?

Dunkerque or Strasbourg as part of Force Z?!! Wow...that could be...fun...